Topic: [List]Gambling Board Spammers; Concerns, Solutions & Suggestions - page 6. (Read 3771 times)

Limiting the number of daily posts on the gambling board will not solve the problem either; that is a post prison for genuine gambling posters who enjoy posting on the gambling board - there are quite a few users who prefer post on the gambling board, and I'm one of those users; there is no better fun place than the gambling discussion board, and I post on that board on average 4-5 times per day. A daily post minimum is acceptable, but a daily post maximum will not solve anything; a shitposter can still shit his daily posts.

The same way you do not really follow the football threads (as you prefer cricket), there are others that do not follow the cricket threads but follow the football threads instead. Each has their own preference but as you will not post in the football threads but will post in the cricket threads there are those that will post anything incoherent in any thread on any topic just to make the signature campaign fee target and that is where there is a problem.

Handling those spammers or those posts considered low quality or incoherent is not an issue in self-moderated threads but when threads remain unmoderated the good quality meaningful posts get drowned out by those seeking to spam the thread with nonsense. I think those that mentioned earlier in this thread they have locked existing threads and started new self-moderated ones, have done so after contemplating it and concluded it was the best way to ensure the threads have relevance.

Well for now --I like the quota requirement per week of my current manager. ^{[CryptopreneurBrainboss]}
7 posts per week on gambling boards is quite reasonable to avoid spam and has a limit of 2 posts daily in the gambling board section.
Let us see if there is a balance between the forum, the signature participants, and the company that we promoted.

It is indeed the fact and this was what I said earlier in my post on this thread, don't interact with the topic that you don't know.
Perhaps this will be solved the problem if no one will spam on that board just for their weekly quota.

The football thread is not the only gambling discussion thread there; there are others as well. Why discuss a sport they are unfamiliar with? Indians enjoy cricket, Americans enjoy basketball and baseball, Europeans enjoy football, and Africans enjoy football, so there is literally something for everyone. They should post in the sport thread that they follow or are interested in.

Unfortunately, that's likely not going to be the case for most often. The football discussion threads with football being one of the most or should I say the most viewed sport, there is never going to be a dull moment on that thread and all users can't can't as professional as others so, they respond based on how they know the game.
Am sure a lot of users would have loved to by pass that section but, signature doesn't give them most of them most of the chance. Majority of campaigns on the forum are gambling platforms and as such, the need for sports analysis can't be lacking. People tends to post because they have to and not because they want to. That's the first step to posting garbage and only the managers could help put this in check. It's no easy task though and moderation on that board is a lot of work.

Cricket is unpopular sport, so spamming on such a thread would be more difficult than on a football thread; football is one of the most watched sports, and there is news about it all over the media; most of these spammers without knowledge of the game just go to news pages, pick up some random headlines, and post it on the forum without any proper details; a user who watches the game will always contribute positively than someone who just reads news online. I know nothing about cricket, so I see no reason to go on a cricket thread and spin words; people should only talk about what they know best, and that's it. You made a point

If i give my own example, i am a big fan of cricket, so i usually post in cricket related gambling discussion threads. Even though those threads are over 500+ pages but I still find them interesting as we have new matches and tournaments every now and then and i always have something new to discuss and read. There are many regular posters who discuss the same and even if a newcomer comes there, it is not easy to recognize (unless he says anything foolish) if he is posting for a signature campaign or he is really interested in discussions.
Since I rarely follow football leagues or other sports, you won't find me posting there. Even if I had to post there, I would have something to say about it and not spam.

Yes I did it a long time ago, long before the OP created this thread.

In the sports related threads, I tend to delete low quality posts including those that are from members spamming for the sake of their signature campaign fee. I think it helped in many ways to keep those threads clean. Sure it has resulted in less number of posts compared to similar threads but that does not have a negative impact because the regular visitors continue to post.

No, mostly the same though I think the ANN thread has a more technical discussion about the site and how gamblers win things from the site. It all depends on how you rate it, if you like discussing the sports and games you like then you are also free to do so regardless of how other people rate it.

Even some people can still be considered bumping the thread to keep the thread on top for high visibility. Regardless of whether such people get paid behind the scenes or not but I'm sure you'll probably notice that there is such behavior in ANN thread. I just believe that reporting the post to a moderator for review is a solution that will help keep the board clean of spam.

All gamblers do it consciously, and those who spend more money gambling than they make from signature campaign are those who want something bigger. This is a somewhat greedy mindset, but it doesn't matter because it's only about the problems gamblers have and not the forum.

Well yes, I would agree that it is a little less spammy, but only a little.

I do not believe that anything will be changed with respect to this section. It is what it is. If you are a gambler, you can find interesting information there. If you like a certain type of sport, soccer, cricket or whatever, you also have a dedicated thread. What about low quality posts? Yes, if you see them, report them.

Another curious thing that happens in this section is that some people are in a gambling signature campaign and you can see that they lose much more gambling in the site they advertise than what they win in the signature campaign. They are people who claim that a certain variant of the martingale helps them to make money, lol.

All of these discussion boards have a lot of spam, especially in the threads which have hundreds of pages. The topics in gambling discussions are so generic that spammers can repeat the same thing over and over again to meet the gambling section posting requirements.
However, this cannot be done with ease in the gambling section that contains mostly the ANN threads of the gambling sites and usually, the people discuss about the site features or the site issues and you can consider them less spammy. 

Do you people think that Gambling section is a bit less spammy than the Gambling discussion section?

I know you did this long before the OP made his suggestion because the chances of spam for such a thread are very high. So self-moderation thread for discussion like that makes a lot of sense if the OP really wants to contribute as one of the spam hunters on this forum. If the OP was very actively moderating his thread ^{[as you did]} then I'm sure spammers would probably stay away from threads like that just to be safe from post deletion.

I can imagine spam would be much less if bitcoin discussion boards, gambling discussion boards, and altcoin boards implemented self-moderation threads. But that's only done by people who really care about the quality of posts.

I think the name sounds familiar 

The way you asked what he was playing was funny but the other one was also funny because they were out of their depth posting just for the sake of increasing post count. The misspelling of the name (that I will not mention here) was also another issue in itself (...ahem ... KDB) but I will not give them prominence by naming them.

Hopefully this season 2022/23 is going to be a little better in the thread but having said that the header currently shows:
359 posts by 98 users with 1 merit deleted. therefore I feel I am contributing in my own way by deleting the spammers and low quality posts.

In my opinion, having self-moderated threads in high spam boards does make sense.

Spam in gambling board is quite big issue, thanks for raising it. There is already many good thoughts were said, I just want to add my two cents Satoshi:
Self-moderated topics isn't bad idea, but not solution. If OP really moderate, that's good, but in some cases it can be difficult for him to do it. For example, EPL or Champions league topics - just in single matchday it can get 5+ pages of posts. It's not that easy to check all these posts and it requires OP to be very active on forum. If you will make self-moderated topic and will do nothing, that's pointless. And as already said, self moderated topics isn't solution because not everyone likes it, some avoid to post afraid that their post will get deleted. And it's also possible that OP of such topic will abuse his power by deleting not shitposts, but posts or poster that he simply don't like.
Reporting posts isn't solution at all. In most cases it's simply not bad enough to get deleted. It's just generic shit posted by people who have no idea or much interest about subject and post just to reach Gambling posts quota. But these who have deeper interest in sport, they're getting facepalm while reading such posts.
Some threads simply can't be spammy. For example, some now active topics like ''Does bitcoin dump have any impact on gamblers ?'' or ''How to Effectively Maximize Profits from Online Crypto Casinos''. Personally, I would lock such topic after they will reach 2nd page.
I like quality of discussions in topics of paid prediction pools. Usually they have local rule that only people who paid are allowed to post and we have really healthy discussion there.

First point:
Huge respect to igehhh for bringing up this topic of shitposting, how to improve the posting quality on the forum and discourage shitposting.
An active community is very important to keep shitposters in check and we need more active contribution of quality posters to discourage shitposter activity.

I’m also in favor of your suggestion about self-moderated threads. Shitposters missing their weekly post counts for campaigns and losing pay due to their deleted shitposts are a very good thing. 

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A neutral feedback is a very good idea to bring awareness to the issue of shitposting.
It is also a heads-up to the account owner himself and maybe the owner is putting more effort into his posts.
I have done this a few times in the past and as far as I know some high DT members as well (like actmyname or The Pharmacist).
It’s a very useful function of neutral trust to bring awareness to something, where negative trust would be inappropriate.
When the account has improved his post quality and come clean, the neutral feedback could be removed. And we should communicate actively that neutral feedbacks for shitposting can be removed if the posting quality from the account has improved for a reliable duration and no other incident has happened.
Such an approach could reduce shitposting a lot.

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I agree to igehhh’s approach here because just relying on campaign managers to sort out low quality posters for any sort of gambling discussion is a very hard job because even a very good campaign managers has limits concerning judgement if an Serie A or Primera Division post is a quailty or spam post. Even a very good campaign manager can’t have a good judgement for every section on the forum.


And igehhh seems to be very knowledgeable about the things he’s talking about, he seems to be very knowledgeable how to detect gambling shitposts, so his feedback is highly valuable and he can maintain a good and reliable list.
I would suggest for high quality signature campaign managers to use igehhh’s list from his OP and when there’s an open position in a campaign, the accounts mentioned on igehhh’s list come last. Or at least, when a campaign applicant is mentioned in igehhhh’s list, this should be a factor to make it much more unlikely for hat account to join the campaign.
High quality signature campaign managers should use igehhh’s list like current Merit scores for an account as an important point to decide, which accounts are best (or worst) suited to fill the open spots.

When there’s a good and frequently maintained list of spammers, it can be beneficial for signature campaign managers to use such list as reference when deciding which acconts are going to join a campaign. 

Generally, those that open self moderated threads are those that want to protect against spam themselves or off topic replies. I rarely see users doing it for ill intent these days.

That's fair enough, largely reporting is a thankless job, and it's time consuming. However, every staff user appreciates even if we don't give you a personal message saying so. Reporters are our bread, and butter. Without you, we'd be much less effective at what we do. Plus, the forum would be in a lot worse condition if it wasn't for the community working towards a better goal.

It depends on who the user who does the moderating is. If it's someone with an agenda who only wants to share his views and doesn't care about yours unless you agree with them, then yes, they will most probably delete your post. But you won't find that with any trusted and normal Bitcointalk user. People who do that should be ignored. Let them talk to themselves. Even the worst offenders have the right to defend themselves or share their side of the story...

Actually I also wanted to mention about the managers work, yes they have to keep an eye on the campaign participants and their posting behavior just like how much importance they are giving while accepting it also have to be on the campaign as well. Reporters may got tired of all these stuffs and gave up which maybe one of the reasons why there isn't not much reports as we had seen in the past.

I do report posts but not a whole bunch at the same time even I wanted to because seriously its time consuming and also I don't want to judge anyone because I feel I am not really that perfect but yes it has to be an effort from the community if we really want the healthy discussions anymore here.

#USE REPORT TO MODERATOR

It comes full circle. In the past some users have suggested holding the campaign managers more responsible for those that they're effectively employing. If they're spamming because of their signature campaign, I'd probably agree that signature campaign managers should also be at fault here. After all, if you're caught hiring a bumping service you'll be banned along with the bumpers themselves.

The managers either need to be more strict on who they hire or they need to remove those that are constantly spamming. SO while, new moderators would probably be something to consider, it's far more likely that there's a low amount of reporting going on. Whether that's because users have given up or because they just don't report. The community isn't required to report, but without that reporting, there wouldn't be any moderator candidates in the first place. So, like I said it works kind of in full circle, where we need reporters, to establish suitable moderators, we need campaign managers to become a little more strict, which will turn prevent the spam in the first place.

Currently, if there isn't a lot of reporters, then we're relying on the campaign managers themselves to kick out the dead wood.

Personally I don't like to post in self moderated threads because of some users are abusing their power by deleting the comments nothing but simply they don't agree with so self moderation is kind of biased in my opinion. But yes the problem is real because we can see lots and lots of posts created for no real other than to meet the posting requirements so we may have to tighten the rules against spam probably adding more moderators can be the right solution but I don't know theymos have any idea of doing it.