Topic: [List]Gambling Board Spammers; Concerns, Solutions & Suggestions - page 5. (Read 3778 times)

igehhh, I just realized that I've been on the list of members who you think have spammed the gambling board. I don't know how you rate the quality of my posts but I can only say that every post I make is based on true knowledge and information. I don't know how this has to happen, but I just really wanted to apologize if you thought I was a spammer.

I just hope you can consider removing me from your list by reviewing the quality of my posts again, but I admit that I am a spammer trying to do and understand how to use forum properly. I don't want to show myself right while others are wrong about how to rate me, but I just hope this will be a good reminder for me to maintain the best quality when posting. Thanks.

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But the question is: will a report calling upon that rule help and have the thread deleted? Since no action has been taken yet, looks like it won't. Does that even constitute duplicate posting in the eyes of the moderators? If I make a post in this thread and I copy it and post it somewhere else on a different forum board, that's duplicate posting. Having multiple threads about the same topic, like the Champions League in this case, might not be considered a rule violation. 

I also know one member who created duplicate self moderated Premier League topic...so I am wondering why do we need to have duplicate topics like that when this is against forum rules?
This member have a bad habit of creating duplicate self moderated topics for other leagues and I think this should be reported to moderators, or he will continue with his bad practice.
It's time to clean gambling board from spammers.

The "Gambling Discussion" board staying put but a dedicated "Sports Discussion" board created where spreads, odds and bets are not the basis. Various sports can have their own threads within the board. Just an idea to differentiate between gambling and sports talk threADS... 

I do not know the background behind the user and what reasons he had for starting another football related thread (Champions League) other than citing it was not self-moderated... but as you said the spammers will eventually flood it.

What exactly will the "non-betting sports" discussion board be about? Rumors? Whether it's transfer news or not, I don't think having team news, updates, injuries, and predictions on a single thread is a bad idea, but I'd prefer if a single thread was dedicated solely to odds and predictions!

I'm surprised that a member who has only posted in the NBA thread and isn't a big football fan would open a duplicate thread of the three European competitions (UCL, Europa, and Conference league) for most 1xbit spammers to flood on; this isn't a good sign. I'll try to report the thread, but I doubt the mod will do anything because the OP isn't wearing a signature.

This is usually done by people who pretend to be gamblers just to bump up their post numbers for signature campaigns.
There are even some experienced members who are using this practice, and I am all for reporting this duplicate topics to moderators and deleting them.
Problem is that gambling section is a mess and moderators are not so strict there, but you can try reporting.

Since I have several threads there I am well placed to comment. A tiny minority of the posts and threads in the gambling and gambling discussion boards are actually about betting odds. The mere mention of spreads, handicaps and odds is a rarity in itself.

You are right most of the posters probably have never placed a bet on anything except a winner and probably do not know how betting has evolved. Maybe having a dedicated non-betting sports board would be the way forward.

Unfortunately, only a few people out of 100 discuss odds and predictions. The real gamblers can be found in the Sportbets.io threads, where discussions revolve around market options, lost bets, won bets, and expected predictions. I tried as much as I could to share my tips and odds as they should be.

The last time I bet on a house race, I swore I'd never do it again because the first wager was really good but I ended up with nothing at the end of the day. It was a virtual horse race, BTW .

I went through a few of those megatrends, I wonder if even 5% of the post would qualify as being about gambling.
Since I'm pretty sure a lot of the posters don't actually gamble or don't have a clue how to place a bet other than on the winner, most of the discussions there could be classified as football fans talking about their team, one post in one hundred talks about spreads, about handicaps about anything, it's about X beat Y so they might beat Z, A is a great player or bad one, xerox copies.

That being said, I've been always curious, in that whole mess of a board, is there a horse racing topic as I haven't seen one and it's the only spot I actually gamble on, not just watch.

There is also one of my self-moderated Champions League football threads too  FOOTBALL: UEFA Champions League 2022/23: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/football-uefa-champions-league-202021-season-5279461

If a user wants to create an identical or similar thread on a topic already being discussed, I suppose they an do what they feel is correct and then moderators can also decide to do what they feel is correct. If the new thread was created on the basis it is not self-moderated then the signature spammers will probably eventually flood it.

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I saw there's a user create new thread about UEFA champions league because he don't like the previous thread that self moderated. I don't think @buwaytress is misused his privilege to delete every post that he doesn't like or someone rooting a club that @buwaytress not fan. That's the reason why I think creating a new thread of this discussion isn't needed.

However, I already report the post

Some people really post to fulfill the quota, when you read their post your mind is blowing, they don't know what they are talking about. I warned some of these guys in my threads when I see them but usually they don't even reply because they only write their low quality post and close the thread. They don't even join the conversation. It's best to report these kind of spam messages and moderators will act on it.

Self moderated threads are not the solution as most people don't want to use them. Why should anybody trust OP instead of moderators? Thread may start with good intentions but later OP can delete whatever he wants, mods don't do that.

Honestly Gambling board threads have way more spam as people always talk about same thing over and over again. It doesn't benefit advertisers as well because it's pretty boring to read those threads and eventually it has way less exposure. Gambling Discussion is a live place and anything is changing everyday. A lot of people use and enjoy those league threads, it's like a sports forum. I like the way it is. I believe signatures are the most effective in that board. Spammers are everywhere but you can always report and ignore them.

My suggestion is, use report function more and if it's necessary assigning a dedicated board moderator would be good.

Daily post limit is a cancer! I know users who are capable of dropping 10 quality posts per day.

The in-game commentary is something we need to look into this season, it's boring to see shitloads of posts on each goal of the match, it's fine to give HT and FT thoughts, but every minute reactions made me sick to my stomach, we had a lot of them earlier last season before they were kicked out, and I know a few of them may return to the thread soon.

OP- there's a lot going on in the transfer market right now to talk about, and since I'm not the OP, I can't double post. I'd like a daily transfer headlines from you so we can share opinions - I don't want the community to think the thread is limited to just the two of us. There was a time when only you and I were active on that thread for nearly three weeks.

All my reported cases today are left unhandled let's see what happens in the next 24hrs.

You could just apply it to those that are spamming all over, and not just posted a one off comment. I guess there's a balance to it, and obviously what you want in your self moderated thread is up to you, but looking at it from a greater scope, worth keeping in mind. I'm certainly not telling you it's required.

Yeah, I can't really comment on how long it takes for reports to get acted upon, as I don't see them from that section. Although, the ones that I have done were handled the same day.

Ah Welsh, you made a point that I overlooked entirely. If posts get deleted in self-moderated threads then yes the root issue is not known to moderators therefore having them reported have their own benefits for the forum admin and moderators to look at the wider problem.

The downside is that on many occasions actions by moderators have taken days to either merge posts or remove them. Self-moderated thread creators can get twitchy in the interim  

I think I will try to do that, instead of just deleting spammers I will report them and wait for moderators to take action unless the posts are from users that are promoting scams or alike. (Those are really related to the sports threads I created in the gambling section).

I'm not against the idea, but I do think users should still be encouraged to report the outright spam, so that we can get to the bottom of the problem. It's all well, and good deleting a few posts that were deemed spam inside that moderated thread, but if they're doing it outside as well, it's good to have the moderators aware of that. Maybe, deleting the post in your self moderated thread, and reporting another outside, and just making note of that.

I don't want to see the community just coping, I want to see as many solutions as possible without too many restrictions being put in place. I think that's the best way forward personally.

I am inclined to go with this view. It is not the first time our thinking patterns have aligned 

Those that might feel limiting the number of daily posts on any thread or board (including gambling) will be the complete solution to the spamming problem are not quite right. Even if we forget about the gambling commentators favourite board (post prison as you called it), apply the same principle to any board or thread and by limiting the number of posts made it does limit also the number of spam posts being made but can it also have a negative impact on other posters that post more than the talked-about daily quota? I would say 'yes'.

The easiest way around the issue would be moderated threads, it is really difficult to look beyond that as an almost permanent solution.

I think that these who want will always find ways to spam, no matter it's football, cricket or chess thread, even if they don't know even basic rules of game. Can't speak about cricket, but I often see spammers posting their shit about sports they have no clue at all. It's basketball, hockey, olympics and so on. But yeah, there is much less spam in topics other than football, soI prefer to discuss there about less popular sports, rather than football.
BTW, there is so much discussion in Gambling discussion board about sports itself, that name of board don't even corresponds name of it.

7 posts per week in the gambling section is just 3 posts less than the norm (which is 10 posts), thus i can't explain why a user who can make 7 quality posts would struggle to make 3 more of the same quality; as for the daily quota, the unconstructive posters will still make 2 shit posts per day; do not get me wrong, i am not trying to play down the efforts of the bounty manager in curtailing spam in that board, my point is basically that quite a lot of users are just spammers and tbh they wouldn't just change because of a 'tiny' rule that they can circumvent easily.

Having said that, users are not expected to even have all the knowledge in the world to comment in the gambling section, the thing is, if you are making a post there, make sure you are on-topic, and you honestly know what you are saying, and that you are not just copying and pasting what you got from somewhere else, and that should be fine.