Topic: [List]Gambling Board Spammers; Concerns, Solutions & Suggestions - page 3. (Read 3675 times)

A user made a comment about me and said something funny to me.  I jokingly gave him a reply.  Which is my fault here?  Gambling is a fun thing there is a different fun thing going on it's smart to enjoy it which some over smart people like you don't understand. I'm not here to argue with you but one thing to say don't interrupt anyone's entertainment

We can fill pages of threads like this all we want but I think we should start by deleting reported posts that are blatantly rubbish.

A few days ago I reported this post because he was asking me about things I had said in just the post immediately above, so he hadn't read what I had written. The report is unhandled, I'd say, or bad, I can't see my history yet, but I'm pretty sure it's unhandled. The thing is, his post hasn't been deleted.

Now I've just reported another one from the same user.


I once had posts deleted that made more sense than this.

If posts like these are not acted upon, the gambling section will remain a big pile of rubbish.

Yeah, that's the thing. I'm quite used to this stuff on other places. It's not spam in the traditional sense. It's low-IQ dribble inspired by the thought to make pennies inspired by not getting banned. So they type out things in an effort to not get banned but it also makes no sense, isn't provocative, isn't intelligent, isn't anything really. They really skirt right up to the line of what is spam and what isn't spam into this grey area. They don't go further either because they can't or it serves no purpose. And they don't go less so they don't get banned.

It's true it will never be like the old days. Some things die. Forums are dead in favor of things like Reddit which are some of the worst things on the internet to me. I guess the philosophical question is at that point how you want it to die. A death of low interactivity or a death of spammers. And personally, I'd rather not let the spammers win.

I can't report anything because I'd just report entire threads lol. These people are like weeds.

I imagine some users quite like the idea of a tight knitted community like it was back in the old days. However, in reality there's always been complaints about the state of the forum. I'm not trying to discredit that either, there's clearly some issues here, especially in the altcoin section. However, we do have a set of dedicated reporters that try to clear that place up as much as possible, and a dedicated bunch of moderators, and I don't mean the section dedicated, but the entire team from global, dedicated, and patrollers clearing up that section.

I've literally removed pages upon pages in a matter of a few hours at times. Although, I must say that most of the reports we have, were from posts that were around the 2018 mark. So, while we do still have spam now, it's either much less seen or in reduced quantities since we have a few users that report, and they all report older posts rather than newer posts.

I think the gambling section especially has a current problem, which is ongoing though. Most of the spam can be seen in the mega threads over there. Where as the altcoin section is more thread dependant, i.e those that used bumping services or promised the earth, and therefore generated a lot of hype.

The issue with the gambling section is; you need multiple moderators who watch these sports, since as I mentioned, and a few others a lot of users are just talking vaguely about things, and therefore for someone who might not be into the sport themselves, it doesn't appear like anything is amiss. So, you need basically multiple moderators covering different threads or you need a dedicated effort of community reporting.

Spot on, you haven't even mentioned the altcoin boards, it's a complete shitshow there. Once in a while, when I come across low quality posts, I try to report them, I believe it's the right thing to do. Complaining about the whole board here in Meta won't help unless if one is trying to suggest that the admin remove the whole board from the forum.

If signatures or signature advertising are banned, trust me, this forum will go to its lowest activity in years. Not a good thing for bitcoin adoption, is it?
I have seen so many businesses thrive after advertising themselves here.

This is my exact feeling all around BitcoinTalk that I came to express here. This whole forum is becoming a broken low IQ shitshow. Perpetuated by these signature give-aways.

Anywhere there is a way on the internet to make 5c in crypto doing a boring task ever since 2018, be that a faucet, a P2E game, blogging, or even posting on BitcoinTalk, a hoard of people from Nigeria, Indonesia, the Philippines etc jump into the mix and type total nonsense broken English low IQ brain dead bullshit. They have no sense of community, they don't care about what they are writing about, they don't want to be here, they just want their 5 cents and would leave in a split second if that 5c trophy were taken away.

It makes anything completely unreadable on this entire forum. I'm trying to find anything remotely interesting anywhere. Instead I see low IQ thread titles with low IQ posting that doesn't make any sense everywhere. Always from these gambling-ad people. A guy with a lot of history on this forum recently had one of the most brain dead takes of all time where I was posting recently, it was so bad I swear it almost caused me whiplash. This is only possible for the above reasons.

My only solution would be a very harsh one. Ban either the signature campaign stuff and/or the gambling logo/signature stuff. I'd happily give up mine but I'm also not paid for it nor do I care. I'm just here for the content.

I do think such an action would hugely lower interactivity on the forum, but I think the ends would justify the means, especially when that interactivity is just useless fluff making things shitty in the first place. It makes honest users like myself completely incapable of doing anything here.


Mildly shilly (apologies in advance) but I have to post it anyway, but MintDice actually wrote an article detailing this exact problem, what causes it, what it looks like and how to fix it with real world examples. Perhaps worth a read:
https://www.mintdice.com/blog/the-failure-of-monetizing-social-media-blockchains

The MMA thread is also pretty long.
To be clear, I've posted more than once in the MMA thread and don't see a problem with it. These threads are made in such way that every time a new event takes place people post their opinions and compare the participants. An alternative would be a new thread for each match like they do with boxing. I actually think it's odd that there's one big MMA thread, but boxing usually is divided between individual fights and people don't see a problem with it because these threads are shorter.


I agree. It's not the threads that should be the target of this rant but individual posters - spammers.
The easiest way to stop this would be to make managers kick people reported for constant spam in these threads, but that can only be done to an extent because 1xbit spammers are the worst and they aren't getting kicked out of their campaign anytime soon...

I don’t think it’s any worse than Bitcoin Discussion, Speculation or even Meta. I mean how many threads are started in Meta about Merit? The same nonsense, poor English written, threads about Merit? I must have seen hundreds over the years.

Bitcoin Discussion has been a cesspool of shit-posting for years. My advice is just report what you consider to be low quality posting. I don’t think it’s a big deal, there are hundreds of shit posters on the forum. Spammers, scammers, broken English all over the place.

Just report low quality and/or spam posts.

Sometimes, yeah. There's also managers to be sacked first, and all sorts of different odds the bookies put out. Although, Bitcoin bookies are a little behind on this front, as it's a little more common with fiat based ones. Almost every major fiat one has this sort of bets you can make.

Yeah, it's the real problem in the gambling section at the moment. Basically, from a first glance it looks like they've actually written a lot about the subject, but in reality they're completely vague in what they're saying, almost like they don't actually watch the sport at all, and like others have suggested just doing it for their sig quota.

I've just got a better performing machine, so I'm hoping to start reporting in that section, and getting it somewhat sorted out. Although, I'm away pretty soon so it'll be after that most likely.

Discussing player transfers and availability played a bit role in predicting the outcome of a game, these discussion are somewhat necessary at some point. Before I put up a bet, I first try to check the latest news and discussions about those clubs H2H, injuries, and players, so it's easier for use if we have some discussion as regard those games in the thread so. Before placing a bet, one does not need to look any further.

The problem has been shitposters with false information trying to compete post count.

First I'm not really fan of football, I'm fan of MMA fight.

As you're talking about transfer prediction, I think that's what the purpose of this thread ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions, I don't understand why the OP put odds on the subject title, is there any casino have an event in betting which player successfully transfer to x club? lol.

You're correct there's almost no relation between discussing about player transfer and the casino, I think many users also talking about player transfer on each thread where the league belong, isn't?

My brief half of week experience with the gambling section  

1) Opened a self-moderated [ur=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5413000.0l]topic[/url] about horse racing, the self-moderated stuff combined with the fact that you can't post about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m every week to make your quota and the topic is dead.
2) A non-moderated topic asking about what a trifecta is uncovered in less a day a ton of horse racing gamblers, of course, on paper  

Conclusion:
Self-moderated topics won't prevent s&*^

Proposal:

This could be achieved with the cooperation of a few signature managers and with the actual casinos and sports betting websites that really care about people wanting to gamble and not fan talk about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m.

So, how about this change in the criteria of posting x times in the gambling section:
Rather than having 10 out of 25 posts in the gambling discussion section, either keep or erase this altogether but make half of the previous quota to be mandatory about actual gambling.

This means no posts like:
and more like

Gambling websites should be interested in promoting talks about real gambling, about their odds, about their winning, and not fan talk about Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m, so this requirement would be in their interests.
Would it cut down spam, maybe, maybe not that much but this is clear. It will make spammers work way harder than just rephrasing their last posts from one week ago and it will help a lot in trimming down those who obviously have no clue what they are talking about.

Oh, did I mention Lewandowski going to Barcelona for $50m?  

The impact of spammers?

• Misdirection for beginners

• Making issues that are not in accordance with the facts

• The forum is filled with posts that do not meet the element of certainty

• Posts are not represented with knowledge that is in accordance with the topic of discussion

• Discussions on the Gambling board are only for filling in weekly posts, although some people don't understand the football part at all

Therefore, I think it's important to know what the post quality standards are like, Is it related to substance and statistics?

Because when it comes to assessment, everyone has a different perception, for example how to judge one post with another, maybe I think their posts are good and constructive, but for other people, that's not necessarily the case.
I think this standard is still gray, so it's easy to say, post A is good, post B is constructive, post C is innovative, and post D is useless.

as once conveyed by @BlackStar


Although personally I'm still classified as a spammer, maybe!!!

 This is like for how there is rules that even fram the form of post, "no low quality", "no off context", "no two words"... It would be nice if campaigns too get rules to not be broken!

I'm shocked to see my name on the list. I don't know in what way you determine me as a spammer.  
I am aware that I am not a high-quality poster but I didn't make posts indicated to be out of topic or made some posts in a row. I also never made some similar posts on several threads. Why do you call me a spammer? Do I make a lot of posts indicated as spams? Give me the proof or evidence.

Remind the definition of spam!

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It is not your business, let the campaign managers consider whether to take an action or not. This accusation is also quite subjective, it is based on own perception. It will be valid if it is determined by a team consisting of members who are neutral, do not side with any group and have a good reputation in spam cases. The candidates of spam busters on Bitcointalk Community Awards are the most recommended people. See here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/results-2021-bitcointalk-community-awards-5390008.

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Do you assume a non-gambler cannot join casino signature campaigns, sir?
It is in your signature campaign, sir. But in my signature campaign rules (and also in other campaigns), there is no statement that the participant should be an active gambler. So, I think it is not a must to be an active gambler to participate in the signature campaign. Except, the manager stated it is for active gamblers only.

In addition, I'm against those people who pretend to be a gambler, but nothing wrong with people who join the discussion by explaining their opinions.

Which managers do refer to?
You must clearer this part. You accuse them of being unprofessional or less of knowledge.
Even if they don't know the game, you should understand that they don't work alone, they have some assistants. They must hire professional people who know well everything related to that jobs, including the games.

No, I don't think it's the best solution if you want to get spam from multiple users on any board. You shouldn't look at who he is and what campaign he's promoting to determine spam posts, it has to be what he wrote. I wouldn't have a profile setting like that, but I'm sure some people have. I don't know who.

Again quality does not depend on what your username is, what rank you are, what campaign you are promoting, but quality is a product of the knowledge you have. So you don't have to hide your avatar and signature to find them. But I just realized that avatars and signatures can also be hidden.

Sometimes seeing other member's signature space and avatar helps you to identify which member is shitposting or not. There are signature campaigns that require their members a fuckton of post per week where whoever joins that campaigns, you can automatically consider some of them as spammers.


Regardless if you have settings like this, it doesn't change the fact that they are still getting paid with or without you seeing their signature. But that's just me.

I doubt very much that this will be done. I understand that the owner of the forum is more of a free-for-all and let things self-regulate.


Not in my case. But there are some members who do, I remember for example The Pharmacist. I am not going to put the signatures in ignore because it would be like biting the hand that feeds me.

Do any of you have a profile setup like this? I think this can help you not see the different avatar and signature of each campaigner. See what positives you'll get, you're bound to be reading what users write more often than who writes for what campaigns.



A lot of people say it doesn't make sense to pay someone with spam or very low quality posts, so I'm sure you must be discussing post quality more often without caring about what they're getting from the campaign if you have profile setting like that. But the downside is that the campaign doesn't expect this to be done by everyone because it won't make their site known.

Even if getting a perfect ignore list there will be new accounts or just other users that just starts and so repeating the same problem.

I think this/the solution  is regulating the signature campaigns by the forum staff,
make strict rules for managers as for example, define a maximum limit to the minimum post count required from a user,
forbid the rule of posting on specific boards.. or maybe allow a max amount of posts per manger

I would add to forbid imposing setting an avatar and personal text, so let the choice to the users setting it or not,  .. by motivating, against remuneration or privileges! ?