Livecoin participants should be tag?

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Quote from: 2double0 on July 22, 2019, 11:48:32 AM

Quote from: Vadi2323 on July 22, 2019, 01:53:46 AM

Quote from: Hhampuz on July 20, 2019, 05:25:20 AM

I'll start tagging the participants, let's see where it ends

EDIT1: Tagged all members that applied on the first page, will do 2nd page tomorrow.

Hey, how is it going? Slaves obeyed, very trusted man?

It is sad to see that people are afraid of losing the opportunity to participate in campaigns than to remain in their opinion. Such trust system costs nothing.

About your trust system statement, it really does.
Wait, did you call us slaves just because we snatched away our applications out of livecoin? Well, I wasn't very much aware of the situation and when I read everything at an in-depth level, I decided not to wear their signature which I didn't put before itself.

Well, am I a slave?

It was my choice not to choose this campaign and continue with the current one, as losing our reputation in "advertising about riots, terrorism, extortions, prostitution and crimes in a Church or a Temple" is not a better choice at all and if we want to remain in our shoes and work for the community, we'd not show any interest in advertising them for money. Yeah, I can say that I was allured by their pay rates but so far didn't wear their signature as I knew that Hhampuz was the one managing their old campaign.

Congratulation! Your post was counted.

It's seemed for me that you are not exactly a slave... I don't want to discuss about it because of the reason I said earlier:

Quote from: Vadi2323 on July 22, 2019, 07:57:41 AM

"Stupid" is signature spamming with shitposting for a few satoshis in English board of bitcointalk. When I come here I feel like in some signature brothel with signature whores. And each one wants to open a long dispute with me

Look for another interlocutor please

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Quote from: Hhampuz on July 20, 2019, 05:25:20 AM

I'll start tagging the participants, let's see where it ends

EDIT1: Tagged all members that applied on the first page, will do 2nd page tomorrow.

Hey, how is it going? Slaves obeyed, very trusted man?

It is sad to see that people are afraid of losing the opportunity to participate in campaigns than to remain in their opinion. Such trust system costs nothing.

About your trust system statement, it really does.
Wait, did you call us slaves just because we snatched away our applications out of livecoin? Well, I wasn't very much aware of the situation and when I read everything at an in-depth level, I decided not to wear their signature which I didn't put before itself.

Well, am I a slave?

It was my choice not to choose this campaign and continue with the current one, as losing our reputation in "advertising about riots, terrorism, extortions, prostitution and crimes in a Church or a Temple" is not a better choice at all and if we want to remain in our shoes and work for the community, we'd not show any interest in advertising them for money. Yeah, I can say that I was allured by their pay rates but so far didn't wear their signature as I knew that Hhampuz was the one managing their old campaign.

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At the moment, izooomrud account is fully unblocked. He can withdraw or sell his funds. Concerning the situation with MONA, we posted news with detailed explanations following this link - https://www.livecoin.net/en/news/view/261
We are unable to bear more responsibility for an asset, than its developer. It is stated in the User agreement, which a user either accepts at signing up, or doesn't use our Service at all. The fact, that izooomrud used our Service, suggests that he agreed to this clause, saying the following:

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The Service does not bear responsibility for losses incurred by vulnerability or any kind of failure of software (nodes, wallets) used by the third parties, or glitch in the software (nodes, wallets), provided by the third parties, as well as failure of blockchains or any other technical problems specific of Cryptocurrencies traded at the Platform. The Service is not liable for damages due to late report from cryptocurrency developers or representatives (or no report at all) of any issues with cryptocurrency including all sorts of forks, node technical issues or any other issues potentially resulting in fund losses.

Besides alleged theft accusations, this user also made threats against us. His charges have no grounds at all and breach the User agreement rules, which the user accepted at registration, and that leads to the account shut-down.

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Quote from: nutildah on July 22, 2019, 12:27:21 AM

You guys should read this before you continue your weird dramatic bickering:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51907579

Am I reading this right?
This whole shit show involving half the forum & multiple DT’s was over 720 shit coins valued at $1.68 each that were never at any point retrievable using the Livecoin service?

I thought there were multiple other coins involved.

Are you fucking kidding me?

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Quote from: Hhampuz on July 20, 2019, 05:25:20 AM

I'll start tagging the participants, let's see where it ends

EDIT1: Tagged all members that applied on the first page, will do 2nd page tomorrow.

Hey, how is it going? Slaves obeyed, very trusted man?

It is sad to see that people are afraid of losing the opportunity to participate in campaigns than to remain in their opinion. Such trust system costs nothing.

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You guys should read this before you continue your weird dramatic bickering:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51907579

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:44:26 PM

Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 08:33:17 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:26:45 PM

I've stated that I can see the reasoning behind tagging them, and thus won't exclude anyone who does. I personally won't be tagging anyone.

Look at this way, participants earn from signature campaign, so getting red tag is a big deal for them, it's their life that was taken away.
You see someone under your trust abusing the trust, and you don't do anything? How do you call yourself then?
Again..
Negative - You think that trading with this person is high-risk. You might also be able to add a flag.

I can see the argument that trading with people who are willing to promote sites that have been run very poorly and have refused to accept responsibility for personal gain makes trading with someone high risk.

No one is entitled to participate in signature campaigns. No one is forced to join the Livecoin campaign. I don't see any abuse here.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 08:35:42 PM

There should have been software restriction, that isn’t cool. Unfortunately fir the affected user T&C’s are legally binding.
Like you said bitcasino are much improved now thankfully & have a good rating on Ask Gamblers which should reassure people.

Unfortunately for LiveCoin I think they’d struggle to wriggle out with the wallet software excuse as that’d be very difficult to prove in a court of law unlike the T&C issue with the old bitcasino problem because T&C’s are in writing, black & white.

I'm not sure that the T&C would hold up in a court of law. Can you link me to a court case in any jurisdiction where predatory terms similar to the BitCasino issue was decided to be legally valid?

Many T&C's end up having unenforceable clauses that may be illegal depending on jurisdiction.

I’m not a legal professional but I presume if you’re happy to go ahead & play then you’ve probably, effectively agreed to the T&C’s (or in theory any way sadly). Maybe the guy affected should have taken it to court but as of now it seems to have gone away & was over 2 years ago.

Like you said, they’ve clearly cleaned up their act & are running a much tighter, more professional ship now which benefits everybody.

We should possibly stop derailing the thread & taking the Livecoin participant tagging discussion off topic now though.

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Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 08:33:17 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:26:45 PM

I've stated that I can see the reasoning behind tagging them, and thus won't exclude anyone who does. I personally won't be tagging anyone.

Look at this way, participants earn from signature campaign, so getting red tag is a big deal for them, it's their life that was taken away.
You see someone under your trust abusing the trust, and you don't do anything? How do you call yourself then?
Again..
Negative - You think that trading with this person is high-risk. You might also be able to add a flag.

I can see the argument that trading with people who are willing to promote sites that have been run very poorly and have refused to accept responsibility for personal gain makes trading with someone high risk.

No one is entitled to participate in signature campaigns. No one is forced to join the Livecoin campaign. I don't see any abuse here.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 08:35:42 PM

There should have been software restriction, that isn’t cool. Unfortunately fir the affected user T&C’s are legally binding.
Like you said bitcasino are much improved now thankfully & have a good rating on Ask Gamblers which should reassure people.

Unfortunately for LiveCoin I think they’d struggle to wriggle out with the wallet software excuse as that’d be very difficult to prove in a court of law unlike the T&C issue with the old bitcasino problem because T&C’s are in writing, black & white.

I'm not sure that the T&C would hold up in a court of law. Can you link me to a court case in any jurisdiction where predatory terms similar to the BitCasino issue was decided to be legally valid?

Many T&C's end up having unenforceable clauses that may be illegal depending on jurisdiction.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 08:35:42 PM

@No HATE - Can i just add that I don’t agree with the red tagging of Livecoin campaign participants.
I like Hhampuz a lot but on this issue I disagree with him.

Now you are talking with ~~non~~ sense. I'm not here to debate about the scam accusation or anything, I only want fairness, I stand on the campaign participants side not only in livecoin but to the whole to prevent this from happening in the future.

@LFC_Bitcoin, stop threatening me by tagging my account because I'm not here to cause trouble, I'm here to speak my unbias opinion.

I hope you understand.

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 11:24:31 AM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 10:26:24 AM

3.) I am so close to leaving your shitty account red trust & if I found out what your main account is I’ll create a flag against it.

This is why people post with alts.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:17:18 PM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 08:10:23 PM

Won’t let me quote from that thread but this is post #2081 in the thread you linked written by Stunna-

The BitCasino claim is valid to my knowledge and BitCasino handled it very poorly. Do you really believe that it's okay for BitCasino to steal 20 BTC from a customer because he bet too high? There was no software restriction and it was buried in the T&C. It's technically legal but incredibly shady and unethical. I'm guessing it's technically legal for LiveCoin to not allow withdraws of specific coins due to wallet issues.

I get that you're wearing a BitCasino signature and feel the need to defend them, but BitCasino has done wrong in the past. Stunna's claims were valid regardless of anything else.

There should have been software restriction, that isn’t cool. Unfortunately fir the affected user T&C’s are legally binding.
Like you said bitcasino are much improved now thankfully & have a good rating on Ask Gamblers which should reassure people.

Unfortunately for LiveCoin I think they’d struggle to wriggle out with the wallet software excuse as that’d be very difficult to prove in a court of law unlike the T&C issue with the old bitcasino problem because T&C’s are in writing, black & white.

@No HATE - Can i just add that I don’t agree with the red tagging of Livecoin campaign participants.
I like Hhampuz a lot but on this issue I disagree with him.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:26:45 PM

I haven't tagged anyone.

You didn't, good manager.

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:26:45 PM

I've stated that I can see the reasoning behind tagging them, and thus won't exclude anyone who does. I personally won't be tagging anyone.

Look at this way, participants earn from signature campaign, so getting red tag is a big deal for them, it's their life that was taken away.

You see someone under your trust abusing the trust, and you don't do anything? How do you call yourself then?

Again..

Negative - You think that trading with this person is high-risk. You might also be able to add a flag.

reppying your PM as I'm not allowed to reply anymore, newbie restriction maybe.

From you : Maybe not, but you've been avoiding a lot of my valid counterpoints and changing the subject which makes me lead to believe that you are.
Answer : I can do that when I see it's beyond the topic " Livecoin participants should be tag? "

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Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 08:19:42 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:04:36 PM

He never did bother with an update but I'm assuming he received his funds as he didn't complain the next day.

Assumption does not play fair in the scam accusation, it's supported by evidence, not assumption.

When the original poster doesn't respond again, you kinda have to use assumption when it fits. Sportsbet.io also provided a transaction hash that was not disputed. Let's assume that I promised you 15 BTC and that I would send it tomorrow. Tomorrow comes, and I don't pay you. What do you do?
a) Stay quiet and completely ignore the situation even though it means you lose 15 BTC
b) Complain publicly that you weren't paid
c) Huh

Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 08:19:42 PM

Then forgive livecoin, they are scammy but not a scam exchange.
Scam accusation of livecoin happened a year ago also, but was raise this year for whatever reason, and hhampuz loss his job and no hhampuz want's the participants to loss their job. He doesn't know forgiveness like you, you are a good manager.

Forgiveness comes in time, not instantly. I may consider re-accepting those who applied for Livecoin it in the future. Also, forum flags expire in 3 years - not in a few weeks. If I take some BTC from you, will you forgive me in a few days?

Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 08:19:42 PM

I don't need to show proof due to privacy reason but I did try using TradeSatoshi with a small amount because it's a high risk trading site.
Satisfied? It's how you deal with a high risk trading site like Livecoin but you don't stop them from operating like tagging participants taking their life in the forum.

I haven't tagged anyone. I've stated that I can see the reasoning behind tagging them, and thus won't exclude anyone who does. I personally won't be tagging anyone.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:04:36 PM

He never did bother with an update but I'm assuming he received his funds as he didn't complain the next day.

Assumption does not play fair in the scam accusation, it's supported by evidence, not assumption.
I have no problem with you, you don't abuse the trust system and you express your opinion fairly.

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:04:36 PM

BitCasino has made poor decisions in the past but overall seem to be much better now, with a 8.05 rating on AskGamblers. I'm not going to start attacking people advertising Bitcasino for something that happened 2 years ago. I've never stated that my decision to ban those who apply to Livecoin was permanent either; forgiveness is a thing.

Then forgive livecoin, they are scammy but not a scam exchange.
Scam accusation of livecoin happened a year ago also, but was raise this year for whatever reason, and hhampuz loss his job and now hhampuz want's the participants to loss their job. He doesn't know forgiveness like you, you are a good manager.

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 08:04:36 PM

I do think you're a liar - you still haven't shown me that you're willing to stand behind your statements and deposit a significant amount to TradeSatoshi, a totally legitimate exchange that despite blocking and stealing customer funds, has not been seized by authorities and thus are 100% legitimate by your reasoning.

I don't need to show proof due to privacy reason but I did try using TradeSatoshi with a small amount because it's a high risk trading site.
Satisfied? It's how you deal with a high risk trading site like Livecoin but you don't stop them from operating like tagging participants taking their life in the forum.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 08:10:23 PM

Another non sense from this DT depending his 0.018 weekly. LOL

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 08:10:23 PM

Won’t let me quote from that thread but this is post #2081 in the thread you linked written by Stunna-

The BitCasino claim is valid to my knowledge and BitCasino handled it very poorly. Do you really believe that it's okay for BitCasino to steal 20 BTC from a customer because he bet too high? There was no software restriction and it was buried in the T&C. It's technically legal but incredibly shady and unethical. I'm guessing it's technically legal for LiveCoin to not allow withdraws of specific coins due to wallet issues.

I get that you're wearing a BitCasino signature and feel the need to defend them, but BitCasino has done wrong in the past. Stunna's claims were valid regardless of anything else.

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Won’t let me quote from that thread but this is post #2081 in the thread you linked written by Stunna-

‘Would you be willing to disclose how much you've paid askgamblers so far? How are they an 'independent third party'. Also, you didn't answer the majority of my question, in order to avoid these steady complaints why not just enforce a software limit or make terms much more clear and practical.

Via your Terms & Conditions you guys are *potentially* in the right legally, but from an ethics/business standpoint this type of confiscation is super dishonest and unfair. If this happened to me, I would feel scammed. All your websites are engaged in this type of behavior: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18527694’

Are you retarded or something?
Stunna is a competitor, he’s trying to bad mouth the competition. Lauda has literally just copied Stunna’s trust rating.
Stunna then goes on to basically admit. he’s talking shit.

Did you miss post #2080 in that thread written by Kakmakr? I’ll help you out and highlight it because again I can’t quote it -

Why is this a warning to others not to deposit here? The guy clearly tried to cheat the system, by creating multiple accounts and that is against the ToS of the site. You cannot expect people to back you, if you tried to cheat the system and you got caught. If you were caught doing this in Brick n Mortar casinos, you would be bleeding on the side of the pavement in some back alley, back in the day.

These days, you are just escorted out of the premises and banned from the casino. If you lucky, the Police will not get involved in this. ^hmmmmm^

I’ll advise you to stop clutching at straws in this thread, you’re embarrassing yourself.

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Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 07:57:12 PM

OP did not confirm, hence scam accusation is still open. You admitted that ratings are accurate, that's contradictory.

See:

Quote from: ExcessTest on April 18, 2017, 03:05:34 AM

thank you all, I have not forgotten my promise to reward community members who have assisted me.

I will provide a detailed update to the community on the situation tomorrow once I receive my 15 BTC.

He never did bother with an update but I'm assuming he received his funds as he didn't complain the next day. Zepher's ratings are primarily accurate from what I've seen but obviously I can't guarantee the accuracy of all of them.

Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 07:57:12 PM

How about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=207035? You think lauda and Stunna are liars?

BitCasino has made poor decisions in the past but overall seem to be much better now, with a 8.05 rating on AskGamblers. I'm not going to start attacking people advertising Bitcasino for something that happened 2 years ago. I've never stated that my decision to ban those who apply to Livecoin was permanent either; forgiveness is a thing.

I do think you're a liar - you still haven't shown me that you're willing to stand behind your statements and deposit a significant amount to TradeSatoshi, a totally legitimate exchange that despite blocking and stealing customer funds, has not been seized by authorities and thus are 100% legitimate by your reasoning.

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 07:43:28 PM

Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 07:40:45 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 11:24:31 AM

I'm still waiting for a link to a valid unresolved Sportsbet scam accusation.

21.5 BTC TAKEN BY SPORTSBET.IO
Lutpin and Zepher tagged them. Zepher is dead but still added in the trust system, ohh boy,, you have a dead trust system. EXCLUDE HIM ALREADY.

bitcasino.io The brother or the sister company.

For like the fourth time, the accuser was trying to do a double spend attack, they reached a mutual agreed upon settlement and no financial damage was caused (15 BTC deposit was returned). If Zepher's ratings are still accurate, there's no reason to exclude them.

OP did not confirm, hence scam accusation is still open. You admitted that ratings are accurate, that's contradictory.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=832366 (check again, and re phrase your statement)

How about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=207035? You think lauda and Stunna are liars?

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Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 07:40:45 PM

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 11:24:31 AM

I'm still waiting for a link to a valid unresolved Sportsbet scam accusation.

21.5 BTC TAKEN BY SPORTSBET.IO
Lutpin and Zepher tagged them. Zepher is dead but still added in the trust system, ohh boy,, you have a dead trust system. EXCLUDE HIM ALREADY.

bitcasino.io The brother or the sister company.

For like the fourth time, the accuser was trying to do a double spend attack, they reached a mutual agreed upon settlement and no financial damage was caused (15 BTC deposit was returned). If Zepher's ratings are still accurate, there's no reason to exclude them. Your alt doesn't have Zepher excluded and I bet your main account does either. If you feel that Zepher's ratings aren't accurate, exclude them from your own network and problem solved.

Show me how the user suffered no damages with Livecoin.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 10:26:24 AM

Quote from: No HATE on July 21, 2019, 09:15:49 AM

After that, start tagging sportsbet and bitcasino too, and double tag for BitBustah for applying livecoin and wearing yobit signature. Cry

1.) Post from your main account & stop being a coward
2.) Stop shit stirring & tarring us all with the same Livecoin brush
3.) I am so close to leaving your shitty account red trust & if I found out what your main account is I’ll create a flag against it.

1. I agree with
2. Everyone has an opinion, can't stop that from being posted
3. This would be textbook trust abuse

1. and 3

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 11:24:31 AM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 10:26:24 AM

3.) I am so close to leaving your shitty account red trust & if I found out what your main account is I’ll create a flag against it.

This is why people post with alts.

LFC_Bitcoin who trusted you? Making a flag for expressing my opinion, am I scamming the community?

2. I agree with.

Quote from: DarkStar_ on July 21, 2019, 11:24:31 AM

I'm still waiting for a link to a valid unresolved Sportsbet scam accusation.

21.5 BTC TAKEN BY SPORTSBET.IO
Lutpin and Zepher tagged them. Zepher is dead but still added in the trust system, ohh boy,, you have a dead trust system. EXCLUDE HIM ALREADY.

bitcasino.io The brother or the sister company.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 04:28:22 PM

Quote from: Vadi2323 on July 21, 2019, 04:20:49 PM

Quote from: Vadi2323 on July 21, 2019, 10:50:49 AM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 10:26:24 AM

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2.) Stop shit stirring & tarring us all with the same Livecoin brush
...

There is a useful thing from all of that. We see who is who and what worth the trust system in English board - campaign managers with trust from their slaves.

Tipical positive trust in English board is "Campaign payment made on time, thank you ~~I hope you apply me again, mister~~"

Cheesy

Another butthurt Russian shit poster who can’t get enrolled in a signature campaign so starts to attack others who are & the campaigns too.

Vicious mind does vicious interpretations. Everyone understands things to the extent of his(her) cynicism.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 04:28:22 PM

Why do guys refer to yourselves as ‘we’.

Who we are? We are the community.

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 21, 2019, 04:28:22 PM

Lol at your post history, very busy moaning about Livecoin aren’t you - https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vadi2323-399366

Edit - You used to post for Yobit lol

What else did I do, signed whore?

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