Topic: Livecoin participants should be tag? - page 5. (Read 3568 times)

Campaign manager has negative feedback pointing to scam accusation which is pointing into red flag - there are enough warnings, thus some of them responded in this thread.

Ignorance is not excuse.

At this moment they are knowingly advertising service which scammed user, you are basically suggesting selection of users who should be blacklisted because they are not eloquent like some other users, well I can tell you that this is simple wrong.

Sadly, few good members applied to join Livecoin campaign which makes DTs hesitating about whether they should tag them or not.

Promoting a SCAM makes you an accomplice. Based on that any DT member who supported the flag against Livecoin should tag all campaign participants (after warning them in case they didn't know about the scam accusation) or remove their support to the flag.

When someone says that they won't return any fund to the user if they state anywhere about this issue is good thing?

If yobit or other sites were doing the same thing then they also can be considered as trustworthy (IMO).

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FYI Hhampuz already tagged the participants for joining on their campaign.

I have built and fight for my account too long to lost it because of a signature campaign. If there will be no agreement on the forum I will quit the campaign.

And that is why I want to apply here to every member, to hold a little with all these tags and lists of death until we are talking here. Take into consideration that the Livecoin thread is closed.

Nobody got paid even a cent so far and there are many members, like me, which expected this discussion and participated in the first edition.

If participants of campaign would be still intimidated and more sort of ultimatum will be given to us, unfortunately, I will have to give in to these pressures and end campaign despite my own thoughts.

I know that fact, you're very honest person (but too illegible as for me). But after one "shady" signature you're jump into another. I don't have anything against bounty participants of Sportsbet (everyone makes money how he can best, and some times we need them much more than respect from forum nerds), but i'm full of hypocrisy shit. If Hrampuz want to tag me - no problem, but only with you my friend.

For honest, promoting casinos, gambling sites and other shit can be considered as scam. Even against Chipmixer some charges were brought that it's not a mixer at all (how can you describe yourself as a mixer if someone can create site with all connections input/output data?) The only problem, that i don't have Tor for now, so i can't verify or reject such declarations. If they are true, would you really think that our well loved and respectable members will run out this campaign?   I doubt, for honest.


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Yep, in russian local board, in Livecoin topic we have few. But they looks like trolls or blackmailers, and they "were scammed" not only by Livecoin, but Yobit, HitBTC, exmo crex and others as well. 100 % victims  

I feel sorry for some users,but I think there should be a limit on whom should be blacklisted from campaigns, the fact that some are just good posters and might be just applying without knowing that there are some issues going on the said Exchange.

Not all should be excluded, just think of it, they should be just warned, and as for the shitty scumbags who doesnt care about a thing, I support the tagging and the blacklisting of them from the campaigns of the reputed CMs.

Seeing some strong argument here, the whole idea of the forum not having a definite punishment against supporting scam related projects is why we're having mix reactions but then your ethics should come into play when there are no fixed punishment as to encourage community opinions.

Issues like this reviews the community is still far behind, some individuals have decided to stay off this argument due to some personal or selfish reasons. I still stand on the ground if a project has a scam accusation irrespective of what the previous reputation of the project was, they should first resolved that issue before been allowed to advertise on the forum especially via BTC paid signatures campaigns. If this isn't tackled then the forum is not different from the big ads platforms we have out there. Lets act with humanity for once.

The forum should stop running away from responsibility, one way or they other they should find a way to keep things under control as a little moderation of signature campaign won't be bad.

   Just so you are aware of who you are attacking, I happened to have worn the Livecoin signature for 2 months before being one of the first people to remove it due to the scam accusation, which was detrimental to my BTC wallet.  So don't come after me and try to make me look like some kind of hypocrite.   Now that you have brought this sportsbet.io scam accusations to my attention. I will look into the matter. (Which you didn't make easy for me, since you provided zero links for me to follow.) Since I was willing to give up over .0195 BTC earning potential due to principles, it wouldn't make sense for me to not give up .005 BTC per week earning potential due to my principles, now would it?  

   Furthermore, did you even read and comprehend my post that you responded to? I think that I was very fair in my assessment. I even said yobit is worse than Livecoin. Just so that you know, I don't intend on giving red trust comments or issue flags to new Livecoin signature campaign participants. However, your post really had me tempted for a few moments to make an exception in your case.  

You're right, I'm sure User #1 was the only one trading mona and monero on this dump exchange. Also do you happen to have an alt named Livecoin Manager by chance?

I used to tag all scam ICO promoters when they have been warned about ICO being scam.

I just want to say that I support your action, this applies for every service which holds users funds against their will - if there is unresolved issue with user's funds community should force service to give  funds back to user.

I suppose tagging and flagging such accounts won't matter much but there are other things to do - say fuck off to all scam promoters:

1) put all scam promoters on ignore
2) Don't make any deals with them
3) Campaign managers ban them from joining campaigns you are running

They don't deserve to be part of this community.

Say FUCK OFF to scammers and their promoters, lets keep this community scam free!  

I can only answer from my perspective.

As I said, already use them many years and never was in need to contact support. You are right and Livecoin is on the same level as Yobit, HitBtc, Nova, CoinExchange, (Cryptopia) or any other exchange like this mentioned. One just needs to know how to use them and read the TOS before registering. No red flags will save them if they don't do the homework in the first place.

This case against Livecoin is not an obvious case where a deposit is missing or withdrawal is not paid. This would be an obvious scam and only if repeated a couple of times.
Taking into consideration how many clients they have, support issues will happen and this is something which could be expected on every exchange, even the best one.

All exchanges have such Terms of Service. Better or worse, they are hidden between complex industry specificities, to mislead users or put there in the hope, that they will not understand it completely or never read it in the first place. Livecoin TOS are there from the very beginning and to bring them now, to the light is like a fall start in the sport. A very long one, because took a few years to find it, which proves that indeed nobody reads these rules before registering.

I don't see any other scammed members in this accusation thread against Livecoin, which is very rare and weird. Taking into consideration, how many people are scammed because of exchanges.
We can assume, that this accusation thread caught attention from the entire forum and all interested members have already seen it, so why are they not complaining also?

Despite, how shady and not moral this TOS are for many DT1, they are there from the beginning and one has, to agree with them after reading. I have read these terms and there is nothing more as an exception to close an account when one will spread support information or any other false information against the exchange. Not so hard to do it if you know about it. To accuse now Livecoin, that they use it against OP is not appropriate, because OP was warned multiple times, proven to be lying about the exchange and even admit it publicly.

Livecoin exchange is the high-risk crypto exchange but is not a scam so far. No more or less, like any other even more reputable exchange.

Said person with signature of Sporstbet.io which has 5 (!!!) (it's in 5 time more than Livecoin) scam accusations. You know, we (slavs) have very precise and relevant catchphrase about such kind of people: "ты или кpecтик cними, или тpycы нaдeнь"

I don't recommend you joining the campaign for the simple reason that you have one of the best avatars of anybody on the forum and it would be a shame to see it go.

Livecoin isn't running a scam operation. They made some dumb moves, but they're not "scammers." If you want to see what a real scam exchange looks like, check out the problems users are having with BiteBTC and Trade Satoshi. Hundreds of user complaints cheating customers out of millions of dollars (in the case of BiteBTC -- Trade Satoshi is tiny and inconsequential by comparison -- yet still loads more complaints than against LC).

Everybody chiming in with their opinion about morals and ethics needs to chill out for a moment and go read Livecoin's terms. Nobody is forcing anybody to use the exchange. There's a hundred options for trading XMR, and even at the time of the 51% attack other options for trading MONA.

IF Livecoin suddenly started pulling this issue on other coins which didn't suffer well-chronicled exploits, then YES I would think something fishy was going on. Can you guys please find User #2 who has been negatively affected by Livecoin's harsh and unjust policies? Until then, the whole witch hunt against Livecoin just seems to be an excuse for people to cast judgment on others. Lame.

Enough for the scam accusations discussion as that has been discuss many times. I brought this topic here as I believe more exchanges or gambling sites will have a scam accusation in the future, regardless on how it looks, a scam accusation is a scam accusation and I appreciate some DTs who have a good judgement to the campaign participants which is not to tag them.

Yahoo's move is good but Hhampuz is unacceptable, the moment he knows the campaign has a scam accusation, he didn't stop the campaign immediately and waited until he got his pay, then stop it to play safe.

If DTs are not tagging sportsbet, yobit, and bitcasino, why would livecoin is treated not the same way?

If you trusted a member to be part of the DT, his decision affects your reputation too, so it should be resolve.

Trust is very important to campaign participants, as it's part of the requirement of the campaign, and it's never happening that a campaign participants possess risk or will scam money as most of them don't trade, they are just here to participate in the forum and earn if possible.


So sportsbet, yobit, and bitcasino participants are supporting scam sites? and how do we treat them? Why aren't they treated like livecoin's participants?

     I think it is a good disincentive too for Yahoo62278. However, a legendary member can earn .01925 BTC per week off of that campaign. Not as good paying as the chipmixer campaign, but still pretty good. Some people may not give 2 shits about any blacklist or tagging with that kind of pay. Also, to be fair to Livecoin, I think Yobit is definitely worse.  Yobit has way more listings of dead and broken coins, or coins on the wrong chain. However, I don't think Yobit will freeze an account if you dis them on the internet....

When someone supporting scam activities with their knowledge then it can also be considered under your definition.You can ask the same question to red trust queen and what answer you will get.

I've never used them, and the only thing I know about Livecoin is what I read in the scam accusation, but what you wrote above makes them sound even worse than Yobit.

As I wrote in another thread, I won't be tagging these campaign participants, but my guess is that some other DT members will be doing just that--and I have no problem with that.  I know this campaign is going to attract a lot of applicants since there aren't many signature campaigns left that I know of, but members really should not be prostituting themselves for what looks like a scammy exchange.  That damages their own reputation even if they don't get tagged.

I'm a bit confused as to how much of a scam exchange Livecoin is.  I supported the flag based on the evidence presented, and I'm fairly confident in doing that, but it sounds to me like it's an exchange that has scammy aspects to it much like Yobit does and that not everyone has problems or gets scammed.  Like I said, they do sound worse than Yobit but who knows.  And again, I wouldn't target the campaign participants with negative trust.  If Yahoo62278 blacklists them, that's pretty good disincentive for them not to join the Livecoin campaign.

I think this is the most reasonable course of action. Not everyone knows the details of Livecoin's issues, and not all of them deserve to be collectively punished via the trust system as a result of this. However individual users have every right to not want to deal with users because of this and this is basic free association. This is the right way to influence the community, social pressure combined with economic pressure via free association, not just hitting them with a stick (or in this case a button). This gives people choices instead of just metering out arbitrary deterrent penalties using the trust system, which has other detrimental effects.

i was about to join that campaign yesterday as it was announced it was reopened. the pay is good.


one is enough. if they disagree, they can take that DT out in their list. if that doesn't happen then you can just assume it got support. we are talking about livecoin yet. that sportbet and bitcasino will handled but exclude it for now you can create another thread for it.

I use Livecoin exchange from the start frequently and never had a single problem. I know, they can not be trusted, but not more or less, as any other not regulated crypto exchange with no legal entity or registered in some tax heavens. I use Livecoin exchange, but never hold anything there - NOT YOUR KEYS NOT YOUR MONEY! Never send my full stack in one deposit and do larger amounts in small batches, deposit - sold/buy - withdraw, next batch. Of course, it cost me time, money, is annoying and not suited for many other traders, but is the only way to be safe and cut the losses, to the minimum on these exchanges.

Participated in the first campaign and don't see a reason why should I not advertise them further? Because of one scam accusation?

I was against ending the first campaign and to call them a scam if thousands of other people use this exchange with no problems every day. This scam accusation is very complicated and should be rather seen as a support issue and not a scam in the first place. We all know it was all done for a purpose and now is the next part of the drama.

There will be no other way as to stop all campaigns on the forum if this will go further because almost everything what is advertised here is to some extent not legal or finally turned out a scam.
OP mentioned already a few campaigns actually active and there are scam accusations against them.

How can Livecoin by judged so badly when there is only one accusation on Bitcointalk forum and no other victim so far?
This case is a really hard one, were the exchange keep providing answers from two years. The accuser is also not without a fault and to blame. Is obvious that he was lying a couple of times and spreading false information about the exchange and admitted it.

Just take a look at the whole picture and take into consideration all other campaigns which are running and there are multiple scam accusations against them. I was able to find scam accusations against all exchanges from the first 10 on Coinmarketcap. Checked also few gambling services actually advertised here on Bitcointalk in signatures and also there are many scam and other accusations. Some already resolved and many are not. Don't mention Cheapmixer which is totally not legal and will be closed as soon as they catch them, we have already seen this happening with many other mixers and last time was Bestmixer also advertised on the forum.

What effect do we have so far with all these flags against Livecoin and this new account? Is there anybody saved from using this exchange and not scammed? Or maybe something has changed and the accuser got the money back and TOS will be adjusted? NO!

The only outcome was that many members lost their spot in the campaign, Hhampuz a job and now it goes even further because we are already on the Yahoo blacklist and maybe 30 more members will be tagged for nothing. Disaster keeps spreading like a wave and nobody see it. This will end that all campaigns will be banned from the forum.