Topic: Livecoin participants should be tag? - page 4. (Read 3568 times)

Send me a valid scam accusation where a legitimate user suffered damages and I will remove my Sportsbet.io avatar/personal text. Poor TOS does not make a site a scam.

Livecoin scammed users who purchased MONA on their site as they refused to allow withdraws, refused to accept responsibility, and are blaming the developers (and violating software licenses in the process). Those with MONA now have to sell at a significantly reduced price compared to the market for something that isn't their fault.


Okay. Go deposit your life savings to TradeSatoshi. <-- LIKELY SCAM There are very credible scam accusations and numerous reports of accounts being arbitrarily blocked, but since they are still online and not seized by authorities, they are clearly not a scam by your logic. Put your money where your mouth is.

So sportsbet is not a partial scam? Make a decision and act like a responsible DT if you truly care for the community. The one tagging the participants, wants out of the DT so his judgment is questionable as a DT, time to distrust him so this abuse will not happen again. I like to relate this to some members saying about livecoin should be tag even at one scam accusation to prevent future damage, this DT is starting to do damage of the account he tagged.
Reminding you again that a scam accusation is not a scam, if Livecoin is a scam, authority had already ceased them.

Thank you for granting my request, you earned my respect no wonder you are one of the top and respected bounty managers here, I already deleted my post there, hopefully, all the other participants will do the same

Livecoin has offered a solution to everyone who is left holding the bag when they finally delist it, more than a year after the malicious miner's attack.  


   I'm not certain how a 51% attack, a vulnerability that all POW coins share, is somehow the developer's fault.

There were another his messages. They also were campaign reports. He deleted them.

What is there to investigate? From what I've seen, the account was frozen because the poster complained publicly. Could you link me to the posts/screenshots where Livecoin offered a fair method of resolution and the user disagreed? If Livecoin, in good faith, offered a reasonable settlement, then it's definitely izooomrud's fault for not taking the settlement. As far as I'm aware, this was not made.

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I don't particularly agree with leaving negative trust over this, but I can see the argument that someone willing to promote a (partial) scam for personal benefit is a high risk person to trade with. For now, I will take yahoo's stance and utilize his blacklist for any campaigns I manage.

They don't took the balance, account was pending for investigation so it has to be frozen.\
Livecoin gave a lot of option, but user did not agree, so no mutual agreement, who should be followed off court?


same goes with livecoin.

The original deposit was returned and the customer reached a mutual agreement with Sportsbet.io. The customer suffered no damages (and even made a profit!). I personally think that some of Sportsbet.io's terms are dumb and they've made some poor actions, but at least they're not going to take my account balance (~80 mBTC) for saying this.

Forgive me if I'm wrong (I haven't followed the LiveCoin case too closely), but:

• izooomrud has taken damages as a result of LiveCoin's actions
• LiveCoin has not offered a fair and reasonable settlement to izooomrud
• izooomrud has not reached a mutual agreement with LiveCoin
• LiveCoin is violating the licenses of the software they used and are blaming the developers of the loss rather than take responsibility

If LiveCoin gave izooomrud the coins they bought or the original deposit back (and maybe with a bonus for opportunity cost), then I would be completely against 'attacking' LiveCoin and the flag created would be invalid.

Pretty similar to livecoin, keeping customer's funds as hostage.


And bitcasino, and many others.


Due to some self interest or unfair DT judgement, the drama started when Hhampuz tagged accounts.


This is confirmed.

Damn, Livecoin campaign caused even more drama than Yobit! First of all, if I didn't missed anything, this campaign still wasn't verified by Livecoin staff, so we don't even know that this campaign isn't fake.
Second, I don't understand, why you, @OP hiding under alt account. Do you really fear to post this stuff from your main account? Come on... And I suppose that you're participant of old or new Livecoin campaign.
I'm not sure why Livecoin caused such drama here. There was Yobit, Betcoin, Sportsbet and maybe some other campaigns when these services had unsolved scam accussations. Some of these services were more scammy and shady than Livecoin, but there wasn't even much discussion about tagging campaign participants or something. On the other hand, there was campaigns like DuckDice, where campaign participaints were given time to withdraw their applications, otherwise they will be tagged. So, I'm not sure when we exactly we reach level that campaign participants should be tagged. But I think that Livecoin with just 1 accusation against them didn't reached this level. That's just my opinion, I don't pretend to be right or something and I'm not sure that my opinion matters much. And I'm not talking about tagging participants of scam ICO's bounties - it's totally different thing.
And final thing to say: For God's sake, why Livecoin simply can't resolve this accusation, stop this shitstorm and move on?

After I have edited my application, I waited for 24 hours to delete it. I also asked Hhampuz for reconsideration and he did (thanks to him), I hope you'll also reconsider me yahoo, I've sent you a PM. Thanks.
Edit: thank you yahoo

From what i see in Livecoin situation:
Some shady russian speakered noob (which woked up from long inactivity) claims that livecoin are scammers (without enough proofs, most links follow only AFTER his blackmails, we don't know what was before). Another noob (topic starter) tries to escalate (not noob, alt account). Of course, we have a bunch or russian speakered noobs ("victims") in russian board which tries to escalate panic and trolling everyone there. Noone from trusted members in my opinion, and in opinion of the forum don't have such problems. Nor english speakered nor russian speakered members higher than member. Don't you find it a little bit strange?  

Of course, most reputable and high trusted members in englih local board generously propose Livecoin to solve this issue in some interesting way: Open deposit/withdrawals for scammed coin.
What does it mean in terms of us, "dark rude goblins": fullfil claims of scammer, lost money, and of course lost all exchange in near future. Because every moron will start to use such way of scamming on the Livecoin. Make 51 % attack - wait some time - create topic on bitcointalk with claims to open withdrawal

PROFIT

Do you hear about famous catchphrase: "We do not negotiate with terrorists". The same in such businesses. If you start dialogue with a scammer your business will be dead soon.

For honest, Livecoin of course, doing strange things too. For example, they answered to my PM about this campaign (yep, it's really their manager). But they ignoring my PM's about this situation. But the fun fact: the same thing with a "victim". He can't remember how many other coins he had on his account (except 750 MONA), he was inactive DURING A YEAR. Look at his post history :
First message:
And after that the second message is on June 04 2019 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51348830

For example, I have 3400 Waggers on their site and forgot to withdraw them to wallet before site was terminated. I'm not crying "Arrryaaaa, Wagger are scammers, why are they closed their site, arrryaaaaa". It was my fault and i accept it.
The same with people who bought shitty coins on different exchanges. Of course, this remark valid only if "victim" is just stupid trader (most of russian traders) and not part of evil plan.

P.S: With Sportsbet my fault. I don't have time to reviewe this accusations, so i need to believe you. My apologize to all bounty participants and service.

P.P.S: I know that there so much mistakes in grammar, but i want to sleep, so will see you tomorrow

I've read the threads I've linked, which is still much more than what you've done. I've never stated the ChipMixer is invincible, just that it works as designed and is less vulnerable than traditional mixers at the moment.


From what I see:
#1 - User double spent a deposit
#2 - Sportsbet asked for KYC to give a bonus since they suspected multiaccounting. User gave documents, received bonus as promised and was given an extra bonus on top as an apology for the inconvenience. If this is scamming, I kinda wanna be scammed.
#3 - Multi accounting and user's original deposit was returned.
#4 - Discussion thread about sportsbet.io and their support popped in telling a user that their problem was resolved. Links to #3, 5
#5 - User did a double spending attack on Sportsbet and their original deposit was returned

Since you believe that #2 is a valid scam accusation, how should Sportsbet.io have done better? User was happy that the problem was resolved, they were given more than what they were promised and normal operation procedures were used. What else do you want them to do?

 

Little P.S: about this link - CLICK. Author says:

I'm not telling that Chipmixer real mixer or not, just because i don't even try bestmixer site (unfortunately). This is another topic and here it's just offtop. But my idea was that every big srvice (mixing, trading or other) have it's own issues.

It may be true in your case (you can delete your post in services board only after 24 hours from posting it). But this is not the case for fortunecrypto who applied in that thread on: July 19, 2019, 06:06:25 AM

I am not sure when did he try to delete his post. So, maybe he should try to delete it now.

The site is mostly accurate (I believe people could create their own chips to trick the site), and this is how ChipMixer works and has worked since the ANN date. This should not be a surprise. You are given fungible 'chips' created usually before your deposit was made and can spend them however you wish. It's arguably a better method of mixing than traditional mixers.

Oh no! ChipMixer has been exposed that it works exactly the way it's described! Their reputation is ruined!
Side note: The website is no longer accessible as BestMixer was seized by authorities.

And service section we can't delete the post in less than 24 hours after that post being posted, but we can edit them.

Here The thread is locked so editing the application is not possible but you could wait for 24 hours and can delete yours.

I would because I see this when I try to remove my post with application. I told you already a few times not everybody is lying here.



This message in the screen is not fully true I can't even edit this post to "delete" or something.


No problem always here to help you. Don't know will check after 24hours and let you know if you wish?

Why would you want to stay in campaign which you wanted to resign?



Why would anyone believe you now? Do you believe in your own words?

thanks @wwzsocki for correcting me, I forget that it is impossible to remove post within 24 hours.

I got tagged, unfortunately, have sent you a message for reconsideration I am not fully aware of the seriousness of the accusations because I seldom post and visit the scam section I was about to delete my application there but unfortunately, the thread was locked yesterday will have to wait a week before it gets unlocked.
That was a bad decision on my part and would like to ask what needs to be done so the red tag is taken away and hoping that I can still stay on your campaign.