Topic: Livecoin participants should be tag? - page 3. (Read 3577 times)

I got no problem with tagging scam promoters. Done.

Wow, things get to catch fire too quickly these days.
I just gave an application but never changed to their signature as I was a lot more confused about the current situation Livecoin is facing (scam accusations and all), so I decided to wait and watch how it goes for a day or two! I'd like to thank myself for being this much patient and seeing this thread today. It was not about money for me and I thought that their accusations were resolved, but that was not the case so I never changed my signature and still a part of temtum till now.

You've missed. It was verified. I asked them in PM and they answered positively.

You are sounding like ALL participants are paying but ONLY I am going to get benefited. Participants pay and participants get continued to be benefited, where and what going wrong here. Due to their typical TOS, I am suggesting this. People/business from different country are having different practice and different belief. Moreover, this is just an attempt to support a business where I had worked, nothing more or nothing less.

Money is money. There will be plenty of chances for livecoin to pay izoomrud and my proposal is based on all the donors may get refund too. This proposal is based on my understanding because like @suchmoon mentioned, something would have been missed-out/hidden due to translations. All the people here in this forum does not need to be an expert in English also does not need to be using a perfect translating services.

No, people who have got benefited from a business trying to pay back by realizing their responsibilities. A typical TOS is a big concern here. When a business is more strict about their TOS, why not give them another chance which may cost some 5% to 10% of what they have already paid to the participants.

Please remove the tag. PM was sent.

This is so much cringe.

You want campaign participants to pay izoomrud from their own pockets so you can continue to get paid and livecoin gets away with what they did. That's not going to happen.

You even want him to withdraw his accusations and delete what he said just because he'll get paid by the sig participants.

WHAT THE FUCK

That sounds more like you are trying to bribe izoomrud. Do you realize it?

Then spend some time here, you benefit on the forum and yet you cannot spend a little time to defend yourself and other who have no voice?
I don't know how much you are making in real life but I'm pretty sure you are not making a penny here.

I call you spammer because you are asking questions which are obviously answered within this topic. I mean your posts are not adding any value to the context in a constructive way but simply annoying as it seems you are too lazy to read but too active to ask questions.

By participating their campaign, I feel it is my responsibility to suggest a solution. It may obviously benefit me if everything goes as per my vision. I am not scamming here anyone hence I am not beaching any moral.

If there are reasons in my book then definitely I am available to fight for justice. Please understand, like yourself, I am also having a life outside this forum.

You are insulting livecoin for making an action that they don't want to do.Let them do their responsibilities, your only goal is to continue the campaign so you can benefit, but your solution is not even a temporary solution. Go fight for the campaign if you want justice for all campaigners, other campaigns with active scam accusations are still running and participants are freely wearing the signature without fear of getting tag.

Being a participant doesn't mean that you are part of the live coin exchange for these kind of issues.

You got negative trust for wearing a signature and like many people got but they removed their application and accepted that they did wrong thing so they were removed from their negative trust, if you likely to stand with live coin exchange that you might be have red trust until the accusations solved.

I am not spamming anything,if you feel that its spam just hit that report to moderator buton.

Literally you are spamming for the sake of post counts or merits (some people are imagining like writing in meta/reputation/scam accusation will get them easy merits and some statistics are proving them right too).

1. To help anyone for any problem, we can be any entity.
2. Already I have mentioned it is now up to few concerned people.
3. I got negative trust due to some "distant" problem, also I had worked for livecoin for few months. I guess I got enough reasons to state my opinion.

You mean livecoin will keep on scamming people ? I have answered this on my first post itself. Again I request you to read carefully before raising a stupid question.

I like to remind you what your PT reads:

If you are part of livecoin exchange then you can help that person to regain his money but if you are just doing that to get them back for the signature campaign and their benefits for yourself then it is not acceptable in my opinion.

It is not a matter for the single person what you will do if many people lost their money in the same way just like OP,you will refund everything?

He may ask or may not ask but a settlement could be achieved in the above said way. Now, it is up to izooomrud and other livecoin sig. camp participants and more importantly few DTs to support this way of settlement.

Sounds like you did not read all the breadth and width of this topic. Please read where livecoin is standing and I am not here to simply help izooomrud but trying to give another chance for livecoin to clear themselves.


Edit:
I have sent a PM to izooomrud. It reads:

For transparency I paste the message here. (I am the sender hence there will be no breaching on opening that here )

izooomrud  not asking for financial help,he just asking to refund his own money which have been seized by the livecoin without appropriate reason.If you are willing to help for gaining the lost or stolen fund you can help them in PMs but this doesn't make them as trustworthy again until they give appropriate reason or refund the money.

By assuming there is only one scam accusation is open, I like to suggest a community driven settlement after realizing that livecoin is too firm with their TOS.

1. If old and new participants of livecoin campaigns like to support them financially, they may donate some BTC which could be at least half of what was actually claimed by izooomrud.
2. Escrow at least 0.15 BTC (and maximum 0.3BTC) (or current value of his altcoin) for paying to izooomrud.
3. Convince izooomrud to withdraw all scam accusation by assuming his lost money is about to be recovered.
4. Then, izooomrud may ask for recovery of his funds from livecoin by proving all negative effects were cleaned.
5. If livecoin will be refunding then donors may get back their BTC. But, regardless of livecoin's action against izooomrud in a given (or proposed) time-frame, I guess they still may be allowed to have campaign until another scam accusation will be raised.

Please note, I made this proposal based following assumptions (and facts):
1. Only one open scam accusation against livecoin.
2. Livecoin is ready to find a resolution if the problem will be discussed in closed manner.
3. There are enough community people will be ready to support livecoin financially due to their own good experience with them.

Finally, I was a one of old participant and I am ready to use/donate some 0.03 BTC  (10% of max) for enforcing livecoin to find a resolution within their TOS.

That doesn't sound a genuine offer because it omits the fact that LiveCoin will not budge on the "don't say bad things about us" clause. In other words, "he can sell this asset after the purchase, and withdraw BTC" is blatantly false because (emphasis mine):


There is a possibility of something being lost in translation. Perhaps "he can sell [...]" was meant to be "he could sell [...] [before we cut him off for saying bad things but now it's too late]".

Either allow them to withdraw the MONA or refund the Bitcoin used to purchase the MONA originally. This results in no financial damages as izooomrud is made whole. If a user deposited MONA, give them their MONA back or BTC equivalent based on the actual market value.

What settlement would be reasonable in your opinion?

I don't know what LiveCoin offered in private, but I don't think that a reasonable settlement is "Your fault for buying a coin that we can't properly support, now go market sell it at a loss to some other sucker and withdraw your BTC".

Proposal of the exchange and user's response.