Topic: LTC CASINO Resolved. - page 14. (Read 20582 times)

True. In the beginning it was all about OP's suspicious activities, like playing the same slot allegedly 16 hours with no breaks and winning 3 jackpots, which is unusual, but not impossible. It then shifted to Wazdan hiding something and not wanting to help with the investigation because they were refusing to provide the requested data and information about the player. All of that is theoretically possible, but since they are refusing to provide any proof, it's now becoming a fairytale and wet dream of theirs. That's why I am now hoping that Wazdan will show more openness and confirm what their claims with proof.

Some new posts will probably appear in the Casino Guru thread and one of them is by LTC Casino. I am interested in what they will say.   

No, in this forum it does not usually look like a scam. In fact, you can have a great reputation in this forum if you run 2 unlicensed casinos for many years and you are famous for very late payments. On the part of not having a license, I suppose it is because privacy and decentralization in the forum is highly valued.

LTC Casino started by claiming OP scammed them, and when that failed suggested the game provider is in on it:
All without convincing evidence. After Wazdan's post, I've added Support for the Flag.

Question: shouldn't Wazdan check those things before a casino can use their games?

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here.

That's what I have been trying to explain to bambolina, but he misunderstood my intentions as support for the casino. It has become a matter or A accusing B. B saying it's C's fault and that A is lying. And now we have C saying no we are not, B is lying.   

There you have it LTC Casino. LoyceV is willing to inspect the data personally. You said you are willing to share it with an admin, but admins don't pick sides on what is a scam and what isn't. LoyceV has got plenty of experience handling data as you can see from the services he offers and the threads he has created throughout all these years. Are you going to send him the data?

I see that LoyceV has already confirmed that this account belongs to Wazdan just in case people are wondering who you really are. LTC Casino refuses to release any data to the public. How about you? The casino claims you answered none of their questions. They said they had several follow-up questions they received no answers to. You are saying you gave them everything they asked for. Can you show proof of that, so we can see who is telling the truth? Can you release the information you sent to LTC Casino, the additional questions they emailed you, and the answers you provided?   

Many people already support your flag and even tagged LTC casino too, it should be enough to warn other users if they visit the account or thread.

Personally, I doubt the laywer/police could help you to recover your funds or jailed the owner since it's unlicensed casino... means no one know his identity, even a licensed casino still not have to protect their players. It will depends on how he hide his identity, perhaps if he ever submit KYC on centralized exchanges... it will be easier to catch him.

Hi there,  if the casino won't pay I'll have not choice.
I now need to seek legal help as this casino is running an unlicensed  casino and the casino rep stated the name of the owner  in this forum.

I just hope the  casino will pay after the game  provider  statement but in all truth I really doubt it ,I truly believe  this is the  way they run this casino.
Their t&c are written  to make players given up and they know people  will not fight back.
Not me!! I will not rest till  justice is done.

I just hope bitcointalk  community  will support my red  flag  as I'm  a victim  of this casino but we must make sure they will not do that to someone  else ever again.
Appaling!

Just saw this story  on a forum
Op why don't you take legal action ? they  should go to jail for this huge scam 

Nonsense.

You might believe the player cheated, I'll buy that.  But you can't prove it.  The provider investigates, you can't just not pay the player because you didn't like the outcome.

Might as well write off this whole project off if you're going to rob a player so openly.  I'm guessing you already have.  

Hello all Users!

I'm the authorized representative of Volt Entertainment the official provider of games under the WAZDAN brand which were used by LTC Casino. We decided to take a part in this discussion officially, as a user who seems to be LTC Casino representative is trying to accuse our studio of being not professional or delivering a product that contains bugs.

First of all, I would like to tell you that EVERYTHING that is stated here by LTC Casino about our communication and our response to them is not true, or at least not a full truth. This is absolutely unacceptable.

Second, I can assure you, Dear LTC Casino representative, that ALL OUR GAMES are fully tested and certified by an independent and authorized game laboratory, and we have full evidence of it, so suggesting that any of our in-game features are causing bugs in our games are absolutely groundless and seems to be even a bit funny, as looks like you didn't even check the fact that since 3 years all our games are containing these features, and according to you, it is only your casino which was affected by these bugs. Game testing and certification were made way before the event had a place, and these features were in our games before your company and casino were even formed. So please next time rethink twice your accusation before posting it public, as it looks way out of the reality now and works against you.

Our games are used by hundreds of thousands of players every day, with millions of game rounds being played every hour and we haven't been notified by any other casino that they have any troubles with our games. It is maybe a class and quality of the casinos, they are not running only to get money out of players but also to let them win, as this is what slot gaming is all about. In your case, looks like you are looking for every reason to avoid payout to the player and you decided to find us guilty.   It is absolutely unacceptable, and we will of course prepare proper legal steps, about which we already informed you officially.

To make things even more interesting, the game which you accuse to be broken, POWER OF GODS: HADES was nominated by other casinos, so your competitors, to the very prestigious SBC CasinoBeats Developer Awards, which seems to be very unlikely if it was having bugs inside? Hundreds of players are winning huge wins on our games every day, and it is only LTC Casino that finds it problematic. For you casino is only about losing players, is that right?

And now, for the end, a few facts:
- probability in slot games doesn't mean that an event is impossible to happen more often than on "average" - it is a basic fact of maths. Do you think, that when during a toss of a coin, it is impossible to get ten "heads" in a row, just because the probability of it is low?
- we answered all your questions, and we ASSURED you, that after the check of the gameplay everything was absolutely ok with it.
- is there any point in our games T&C or in your casino T&C which makes forbidden for the player to play long game sessions on one game? Is it a crime, is it an abuse of T&C or is it just one of your abusive practices to avoid the payout of money which were won?
- your casino doesn't have any gaming license and is not providing even the name of the owner company or any address of it. Seems a bit scam, isn't it?


TO SUM things for all the players: all stated here by LTC Casino representative accusations, that Wazdan brand is, in any case, a responsible for this situation are not true and most probably an attempt to avoid a payout to the player. We are not responsible for it and we are very sorry to see such practices in our industry. We are also encouraging all players from this forum to find our games on different brands than LTC Casino and we are happy that this "product which is pretending to be a casino" is not offering our games anymore. As for the decision, if to be a client of LTC or not, we leave with all reader's decision, not like LTC Casino who is urging other casinos to avoid our product. I believe that the simple fact that our games are used and nominated for many industry awards by other casinos' representatives and players, and LTC Casino is being blacklisted for fraud on players' wins on many sites speaks for itself. Looks like our companies have absolutely different views about fair gaming and responsible gambling issues. Let us stay with our practices and we will ask players which way they would like to follow.

- Are you and your team investigating or were you and your team asking Wazdan to investigate what happened?

As I understand it, you were asking Wazdan to investigate what happened because you suspect that OP didn't win honestly, right?

- being that you asked Wazdan to investigate and Wazdan is telling you that there's nothing wrong with OP's victory. so you need to accept that fact that there's nothing wrong with OP winning

You understand this? you should pay the OP, if you suspect OP but don't have proof then it's just your opinion

if you don't pay the OP then you are a scammers

I understand that you have this doubt about OP's victory, but you need to understand you don't have proof that he cheated, be more responsible and pay him!

 i just found out this :

https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/reviews/ttr-casino

TTR casino owned by the same owner of Ltc casino got blacklisted at ask gamblers.

Askgamblers states:

"BLACKLISTED: TTR Casino is being added to our blacklist due to the fact that a member of their management has been found in conducting unjustified, abusive and defamatory campaign against AskGamblers. We believe that verbal aggression and slanderous campaigns totally contradict to the normal business relationships based on mutual respect and professionalism. AskGamblers maintain zero tolerance towards such unprofessional behavior and strongly encourage players to stay away from this casino."

 Looks like is an habit of their management to make defamatory campaign when they don't get their own ways.

Now is my turn and Wadzan turn.

Who's will be next if we don't stop them?

You are in constant contact  with casino guru?

This is what they are saying 

https://imgur.com/a/QmcA8UE

They  have checked  the game history send by you, not foul play found.
If u want  to scam people  own it and do not slander  game providers or players.

You score  will go down the level you deserve  to be.
I'm  now angry and tired if your scaming lies.

It's  all so unreal.
First they blame me ,now is the provider!
They said i spread negative comments about the  provider when they were lying about them, I simply  sent the screenshot  of casino ltc was saying about them as the game provider only told me that they have checked  the game history.
They never shared  the technicality and they never sided me.
The only reason  I contacted them was to verify if the casino was lying and they were all along.
If the casino thinks there is a bug created by the game  provider  ( madness ) they should refund me all my money deposits.
They said 13000 spins yet they are saying I played  16 hours not stop with less 1 seconds? That's 57000 spins if ut was a aoun for seconds. Even me can do this basic math.
16 hours not stop is a big lie as I do eat and I took breaks so they just make this sound crazy to imply I used a bug or program.

All their lies do not add up.

They  have said I threatened  them?
I ask several  times to close my account because  I couldn't  stop playing and told them  I would hace report them as they were exploting  vulnerable  players  refusing to close accounts where they asked.
They simply said " don't  play" !!! Predator's  behavior.
If they banned my account when I asked to close it the first time I wouldn't  have wasted over 15k and they  wouldn't  have stolen  my money and they wouldn't  have been in a situation  to have to pay a player winnings.
Instead they  were ok for me to play endless  hours when I waz constantly  losing,not stop!
How convenient!!
They think is not normal for  a player  to ask for give one 1 third of the money when i genuinely  thought that could have been the only way to get the money fast as even if the casino would have paid me i would have lost it since they paid 15Ltc per day and they removed the time out  options  in order to exploit vulnerable players.
A normal casino would pay the winning at once but of course there is an agenda for them  to give u little crumbs withdrawal limits and not time out, they know players will lose their money.
I hope casino guru removes the " reputable casino" score because  i honestly  trusted them and the Casino turned out to be a rogue casino of the worse kind.

They said they would have shared all the  investigation  infos.
i can't  wait!  I have a clear conscience and nothing  to hide.
I did not cheat and  I shared all i could to prove it ,now is their turn.

They won't  simply because they  are publicly  slandering game provider  and myself  with not evidence.

Crazy how this sort organisations  can't  be stopped because is a robbery un broad daylight.

In addition, CM (https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/) has been pretty good in the past as mediator between players & online casinos and for resolving specific issues. 

I was asked to respond here (not by OP). I must say I find bambolina's posts difficult to read (which is why I never bothered to read everything when I saw this topic earlier). Proofreading before posting would help, but posting the same things over and over again just makes it harder to read everything.

First:
It sounds like you should really stop gambling! Closing your account won't help, as you can just create a new one, especially if a VPN is allowed.

Can you send me a full overview of all bets made during these 16 hours? CSV would be preferred.

@bambolina: can you confirm you played manually for 16 hours without a second break? No toilet, no drinks, no distractions?

It sounds to me like you have no evidence whatsoever, and are just looking for a reason not to pay.

So let me get this clear:
You offer a game.
Someone wins.
You don't want to pay.
The game provider tells you all is fine.
You don't like it and assume the game provider is in on it.
You don't want to pay.

Quoted for reference.

It's your responsibility who you do business with, but you shouldn't use your business choices to deny a user their winnings.

What makes you think the Bitcointalk forum Admin has any interest in private data?

I'll tell you a story about last week. I have played since 6 pm to the other day at 3 AM slots without a stop 1-2 weeks ago. That is 33 hours without stop. I have taken in less than 10k spins on jasmin jars two times 11k X. Plus 3 times on max bet EGT's 5 of 7.

Ok, profit overall, but you tell me 16 hours is a problem? If he would've lost the money you wouldve not cared, now that he won just keep them?

On what basis? You have a contract with Wazdan, you both verify on your ends, when the players was playing, the contract was still valid.

Why do you attack the player for asking for a 3rd of his funds? That is a totally normal behaviour from someone disperate waiting for months for his money..

I will wait for an update on casino guru, I am following the topic for a month or so

You said in one of your first posts in this thread that you would make public all information when the investigation ends. If the investigation has ended, that's what you are supposed to do now. Or were you just joking when you said that? You can't just say things and expect people to believe you just because you said it. That's not how it works. You need to back it up with evidence. You are the only party that can end this once and for all by making your findings public.

You can't make private information public? Says who? Is Wazdan pressuring you not to do it? Is the player who accuses you of scamming doing it? You said you would, so what has changed?

I believe I asked you several times to show proof that Wazdan has not sent you the information you have requested. Why haven't you done it? Where is the email about your requests to Wazdan and the one that proves they haven't delivered what was asked? There is no non-disclosure agreement between you two. You believe Wazdan is colluding with the player to cheat on your casino? Excellent! Even more reasons to show proof that they haven't sent you anything of value to help with the investigation. Who are you protecting by not releaseing it? You are not making any friends here and you are making life difficult for yourself.   

You want to share the data with an admin? Tell you what I am going to do. I will tag Cyrus and hilariousandco in this post. They are mods of the marketplace section and might be interested to have a look. I will also mention the name DarkStar_ as he knows his way around gambling, and LoyceV as a trusted neutral party. I doubt anyone will object to these names or distrusts the mentioned users. I am also going to send them a PM asking if they want to take a look at this thread and maybe the provided evidence by you.