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April 15, 2022, 11:13:11 PM
It was obvious from the beginning.
Sorry for you op.
I know it's hard but your fault for choosing a no name casino

Unfortunately  i foumd this scammers in casino guru and they gave them a good reputation casino score.
Now looking around reviews the net is full of complaints about this rogue casino.

i wasted over 15k and they have the audacity to slender the game provider  who worked  for the UKGC while they are operating without license from Russia with Love.
The Ltc said the owner is Andrei TTr , a Russian millionaire,  I understand how he made millions now.
Disgusting.

aew
jr. member
Activity: 141
Merit: 7
April 15, 2022, 10:06:10 PM
It was obvious from the beginning.
Sorry for you op.
I know it's hard but your fault for choosing a no name casino
member
Activity: 191
Merit: 21
April 15, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
In turn, we hold the view that Wazdan's actions were unethical and unprofessional. In addition to communicating directly with the player, they ignored our questions, which are critical for the matter.
The players has reached to the game provider as you guys weren't responding him properly. You haven't replied to many questions of the forum members and staying silent most of the time. How professional is it!

As for the player, their further communications reveal even more inconsistencies. For example, the player contacted us offering to give up a third of the amount in order to speed up the payout.
Did he offer to receive the withdrawal partially? Or he is ready to sacrifice one third of his profit? There shouldn't be any problem to post a proof of this.

~ Thus, we believe that the player used third-party software, aimed, among other things, at exploiting a potential vulnerability in the game, which is a direct violation of the LTC Casino rules.
You are saying that the user has played continuously for 16 hours without any break. But you haven't provided any single evidence of your claim. The funniest thing is that LTC Casino has done this whole thing and made the final decision based on their believe. Gambling doesn't work in this way, you should provide the proof.

Due to egregious violations, we have made a decision to withhold the payout. The decision is final. We have also ceased all operations with Wazdan due to the loss of trust and their questionable business practices.
@Pmalek, LTC Casino is completely blaming the game provider for this user jackpot win without any evidence. They are accusing him without the proof. And they have made their final decision too. What you think about this accusation now?

P.S. We have no right to make privat correspondence public but we may provide it to the forum administration.
The forum administration won't show any interest in this issue. You have to stay with your negative feedback if you aren't able to post any proof. It won't help you to grow your business. If you really have strong evidence against the player then send the details to those DT members (Jawhead999, TwitchySeal, Slow death) who has left negative feedbacks on your account.


I have asked them if I could forfeit the winning from 1496 TO 1000 ltc if they could pay me the winnings all.at once as their withdrawals limits is tiny and it would have taken months with the risk of losing the money playing  as they do not offer time out anymore they removed the options to exploit players.

If that was a normal casino i wouldn't  have done this offer as is a lot of money  but  since their predator ways i was trying to protect myself as when I asked them to close my account they refused but they immediately  closed it when they had to pay me!!

Funny how the predator  blames the victim!

I endured nearly two months  and i Hope their  karma will hit them hard, bet they wont last much not paying people and accusing  game  provider  every time someone wins and they dont get their lying ways.

ps i'm curious  too to know  what @Pmalek as to say.
legendary
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April 15, 2022, 01:35:18 PM
In turn, we hold the view that Wazdan's actions were unethical and unprofessional. In addition to communicating directly with the player, they ignored our questions, which are critical for the matter.
The players has reached to the game provider as you guys weren't responding him properly. You haven't replied to many questions of the forum members and staying silent most of the time. How professional is it!

As for the player, their further communications reveal even more inconsistencies. For example, the player contacted us offering to give up a third of the amount in order to speed up the payout.
Did he offer to receive the withdrawal partially? Or he is ready to sacrifice one third of his profit? There shouldn't be any problem to post a proof of this.

~ Thus, we believe that the player used third-party software, aimed, among other things, at exploiting a potential vulnerability in the game, which is a direct violation of the LTC Casino rules.
You are saying that the user has played continuously for 16 hours without any break. But you haven't provided any single evidence of your claim. The funniest thing is that LTC Casino has done this whole thing and made the final decision based on their believe. Gambling doesn't work in this way, you should provide the proof.

Due to egregious violations, we have made a decision to withhold the payout. The decision is final. We have also ceased all operations with Wazdan due to the loss of trust and their questionable business practices.
@Pmalek, LTC Casino is completely blaming the game provider for this user jackpot win without any evidence. They are accusing him without the proof. And they have made their final decision too. What you think about this accusation now?

P.S. We have no right to make privat correspondence public but we may provide it to the forum administration.
The forum administration won't show any interest in this issue. You have to stay with your negative feedback if you aren't able to post any proof. It won't help you to grow your business. If you really have strong evidence against the player then send the details to those DT members (Jawhead999, TwitchySeal, Slow death) who has left negative feedbacks on your account.
member
Activity: 191
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April 15, 2022, 12:27:34 PM
During the investigation, we encountered more uncertainties on top of the technical issues with the game. Specifically, they relate to how Wazdan communicates with us and the player, which only strengthened our suspicions.

We asked the provider multiple questions, including:

-Detailed analysis of all rounds and sessions, not only winning ones;

-At what speed and volatility was the game played? These parameters are not passed to our backend, but they must be on the provider's side.

-A request to consider and comment on 16-hour long sessions with turbo spins played exclusively in one slot from all the accounts regardless of the result (after the jackpot, the player continued the game, including the period when they won three Grand jackpots in a short time).

Of the whole range of questions, the provider answered only one - regarding the probability of winning the Grand jackpot. For the record, it is 1/166,945 games. In this case, the Grand jackpot was won three times within 13,000 spins. Even prior to receiving the abovementioned response, we assumed a very low probability of hitting the Grand Jackpot thrice in such a short period of time. That's why we suspended the player’s account, preventing them from further exploiting a possible bug and hoping that Wazdan would shed light on what was happening.

Unfortunately, Wazdan completely ignored all other subjects, although the situation obviously required further clarification. In parallel, the provider was in touch with the player, assuring them that they had instructed the operator to make payment. We expect game providers to follow the B2B model where they do not bypass their customers to reach end-users as it is basic professional ethics.

The provider also notified us that the player was constantly contacting them on the issue. The provider expressed concern about their reputation, as the player was spreading negative messages on the forums. In turn, we hold the view that Wazdan's actions were unethical and unprofessional. In addition to communicating directly with the player, they ignored our questions, which are critical for the matter.

To that end, we have reasons to distrust the Wazdan studio. They behave like an interested party and withhold essential information, whether trying to avoid reputational risks or being in collusion with the player. On the balance of evidence, we remain convinced that the Power of Gods: Hades game may contain a bug that makes winning the jackpot a non-random event under certain conditions. We also do not exclude that the bug could be fixed by the provider without making it public.

As for the player, their further communications reveal even more inconsistencies. For example, the player contacted us offering to give up a third of the amount in order to speed up the payout. You don't expect regular players to do that, but it is a common practice among fraudsters since urgency is one of their main weapons.

The provider also did not clarify the situation around the hours-long sessions with thousands of uninterrupted spins, which is practically unattainable with the built-in tools of the game since the auto play is limited to a thousand spins and then there should be at least a slight delay. Thus, we believe that the player used third-party software, aimed, among other things, at exploiting a potential vulnerability in the game, which is a direct violation of the LTC Casino rules.

A similar situation arose earlier with Felix Gaming software. Read more about that here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-alert-felix-gaming-casino-script-abuse-5385638

In short, Felix Gaming admitted that another player had used a script instead of the officially certified client allowing them to change the bet size right in the bonus game. And these bugs are not found by chance - highly trained teams that abuse vulnerabilities in online casinos for huge profits do that. Hopefully, in the present situation, the truth will come out in time as well.

We'd like to remind that the player also threatened LTC Casino, as they admitted themselves. This is another violation of LTC Casino's terms and conditions.

Due to egregious violations, we have made a decision to withhold the payout. The decision is final. We have also ceased all operations with Wazdan due to the loss of trust and their questionable business practices. In addition, we publicly urge other casino operators to pay special attention to Wazdan titles, including previous results, due to a potential vulnerability in their games.



P.S. We have no right to make privat correspondence public but we may provide it to the forum administration.


And  this is exactly what a broke  unlicensed casino acts!!

Never read so many lies at once!!

i know from the moment u blocked my account that u were going to steal my money!!!

You first tried to ignore me and pretend u were an honest casino only once i made it this public.

You want to appear honest?
Now that you are publicly admitting you steal money from players , make public the amount of deposit and the amount of spins i have made.

Stop the lies.
The game provider never said they instructed the casino  to pay me ,they simply said they send the requested  infos.
I actually shared every single email so your lies can be confronted.
They simply said over and over that they done all the checks requested  and the payments wasn't  happening because of the casino as they did their job.
Its all in the screnshots for people to see, so not  point to lie.


Show the community the game provider correspondence , all of it!! You are accusing the game provider of such actions and trying to thorn their reputation to defend yours which you do not have.
I have not relations with the game provider they where simply honest and you did not accept the reality as you did not accept casino guru gameplay checks which they again said there was nothing out of the ordinary!!
We are all dishonest except you?Huh


Two third parties said i didn't cheat but you like a proper rogue casino decide to steal my money.



Just you know i asked if i could get 2 third because i wanted to close my account and i preferred less but straightway as i had not trust in your casino and it would have take me months and months with yoru poor withdrawals system.
Not other casino offer crumbs as withdrawals and i understand your casino is for change as big roller have not time to play in a casino that can't pay more than 15LTc daily. I asked to forfeited the amount because  the casino simply doesn't  pay all together!! Are u for real??? With your suspicious  behaviour I had not faith u were going to pay in a long run so I tried to see if I could get  less but all at once and this is because  your casino can't  pay big wins and neither small ones for the reviews I have seen around.

 JACKPOT???

The casino doesn't believe itself people can win and if it happens it will ignore and steal your money.  The real player reviews aren't nice either. Everyone is the bad guy except LTC casino.

Funny as the majority of the review around accuse you of having rigged games. little they know even if u win you still don't pay!!! THE IRONY!!

The amount of lies to try to defend your reputation is so sad.

Prove your lies because so far your are the only that believe to them.

You thorning apart the reputation of the game provider because they didn't lie about the player??

I have shared the email i have received and they simply confirmed that i did not cheat . unfortunately till today u refused to share their official statement.  Just do it and show what you are saying is true!!

You won't because u know u cant prove i cheated. You can't  prove the impossible  that's why u lied and u give not evidence.
you believe the games of god has a bug?? is it my fault?? can u even prove it?? u can't just accuse without prove it.
Are other casinos having issue with the same provider or is it only your casino that every time someone wins you block account and keep the winnings and accuse players ,provider and even reps for forums


I am appalled!!!

You said at the end of the case you would have shows all the proves of your accusations.
Bring it them on!

I did not cheat, my only mistake was to play in a unlicensed broke casino that can't afford to pay winnings and they simply lie to try to keep their reputation but instead  you are just confirming who u are!!


If you think this is ending here you are mistaken because it will be my life priority to prevent your casino to scam others, even if is for one penny!

Your type of casino give bad reputation to  crypto casinos.

shame on you

Now instead of lying prove to bitcointalk casino  and show the proves.

btw everyone can go and check at casino guru ,.

The casino hasn't responded to the thread for week and weeks.

i do not need to lie is all there  and i have prove every single thing i have said , Ltc casino just fabricated lies without one single prove.

You have tried so hard to slender me and every single time i have give evidence of your lies.

Where is your evidence?


At least you had the decency to don't wait 3 months to admit you stolen my money.

i will open a type 3 red flag if anyone wants to back me up and prevent this casino to rob people off.

If this is not the scam of the year i don't know what it is.


my journey starts now because i have not started yet and if they think they will  keep scamming people they are truly mistaken.

Shame on you LTC casino.
Disgusted  is a understatement.













copper member
Activity: 89
Merit: 1
April 15, 2022, 11:52:13 AM
The fact that they went silent on casino guru is the worrying part as casino guru and ask gamblers are the best places where you can discuss or manage problems for real with casinos!

That is one more lying from topic starter. We are in permanent contact with Casino Guru and other forums representatives.
copper member
Activity: 89
Merit: 1
April 15, 2022, 11:51:03 AM
During the investigation, we encountered more uncertainties on top of the technical issues with the game. Specifically, they relate to how Wazdan communicates with us and the player, which only strengthened our suspicions.

We asked the provider multiple questions, including:

-Detailed analysis of all rounds and sessions, not only winning ones;

-At what speed and volatility was the game played? These parameters are not passed to our backend, but they must be on the provider's side.

-A request to consider and comment on 16-hour long sessions with turbo spins played exclusively in one slot from all the accounts regardless of the result (after the jackpot, the player continued the game, including the period when they won three Grand jackpots in a short time).

Of the whole range of questions, the provider answered only one - regarding the probability of winning the Grand jackpot. For the record, it is 1/166,945 games. In this case, the Grand jackpot was won three times within 13,000 spins. Even prior to receiving the abovementioned response, we assumed a very low probability of hitting the Grand Jackpot thrice in such a short period of time. That's why we suspended the player’s account, preventing them from further exploiting a possible bug and hoping that Wazdan would shed light on what was happening.

Unfortunately, Wazdan completely ignored all other subjects, although the situation obviously required further clarification. In parallel, the provider was in touch with the player, assuring them that they had instructed the operator to make payment. We expect game providers to follow the B2B model where they do not bypass their customers to reach end-users as it is basic professional ethics.

The provider also notified us that the player was constantly contacting them on the issue. The provider expressed concern about their reputation, as the player was spreading negative messages on the forums. In turn, we hold the view that Wazdan's actions were unethical and unprofessional. In addition to communicating directly with the player, they ignored our questions, which are critical for the matter.

To that end, we have reasons to distrust the Wazdan studio. They behave like an interested party and withhold essential information, whether trying to avoid reputational risks or being in collusion with the player. On the balance of evidence, we remain convinced that the Power of Gods: Hades game may contain a bug that makes winning the jackpot a non-random event under certain conditions. We also do not exclude that the bug could be fixed by the provider without making it public.

As for the player, their further communications reveal even more inconsistencies. For example, the player contacted us offering to give up a third of the amount in order to speed up the payout. You don't expect regular players to do that, but it is a common practice among fraudsters since urgency is one of their main weapons.

The provider also did not clarify the situation around the hours-long sessions with thousands of uninterrupted spins, which is practically unattainable with the built-in tools of the game since the auto play is limited to a thousand spins and then there should be at least a slight delay. Thus, we believe that the player used third-party software, aimed, among other things, at exploiting a potential vulnerability in the game, which is a direct violation of the LTC Casino rules.

A similar situation arose earlier with Felix Gaming software. Read more about that here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-alert-felix-gaming-casino-script-abuse-5385638

In short, Felix Gaming admitted that another player had used a script instead of the officially certified client allowing them to change the bet size right in the bonus game. And these bugs are not found by chance - highly trained teams that abuse vulnerabilities in online casinos for huge profits do that. Hopefully, in the present situation, the truth will come out in time as well.

We'd like to remind that the player also threatened LTC Casino, as they admitted themselves. This is another violation of LTC Casino's terms and conditions.

Due to egregious violations, we have made a decision to withhold the payout. The decision is final. We have also ceased all operations with Wazdan due to the loss of trust and their questionable business practices. In addition, we publicly urge other casino operators to pay special attention to Wazdan titles, including previous results, due to a potential vulnerability in their games.



P.S. We have no right to make privat correspondence public but we may provide it to the forum administration.
member
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April 15, 2022, 06:26:01 AM
Dude I totally feel you, fighting alone a casino which no one knows where it exists can be hard.. I really hope you will get your money!
member
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April 15, 2022, 05:37:20 AM
The fact that they went silent on casino guru is the worrying part as casino guru and ask gamblers are the best places where you can discuss or manage problems for real with casinos!

They were active yesterday  probably read all the comments and laugh at it.
3 weeks gave passed and they still refuse to share the official  game provider statement, they say they are investigating when 2 third party comfirmed there was not cheating  and with all the years  they brag about  running casino they haven't managed to pull one tiny bit  of evidence to justify the appropriation  of  money.

Its incredible  casinos like that even get visibility  as by now I'm  pretty sure I got scammed.
I really wanted to believe they were trying to be cautions  but now they have not reason to keep my money.

If the casino does not have funds to play players they shouldn't open casinos.

HERE LAST EMAIL RECIEVED  TODAY BY THE GAME PROVIDER.
LTC CASINO HAS BEEN LYING ALL THIS TIME

https://imgur.com/a/CzvZCkJ

They  are simply not paying  money because they don't  want to pay  winners.
Simple has!!

Not more proves left as the  casino is simply lying.

Ltc casino pay my winnings!!!


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April 15, 2022, 12:20:59 AM
The fact that they went silent on casino guru is the worrying part as casino guru and ask gamblers are the best places where you can discuss or manage problems for real with casinos!
legendary
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April 14, 2022, 01:15:57 PM

Please support my flag as they might don't care about their reputation but we can prevent others to walk in my shoes.



Do you know why they would not care about the flags you created about LTC casino ?

The answer is simple. This gambling site does not have a presence in this forum. They do not have ANN thread etc and therefore they do not care about their reputation. I am afraid that they won't return your money back.
member
Activity: 191
Merit: 21
April 13, 2022, 03:04:41 AM
The casino went silent even at casino guru rep!!
They probably now playing with their "up to 3 months" t&c , trying to get as much money for players and not paying them each time someone wins a big amount and slowly earning ta rogue casino status till they are gone.

They could have easily made  public the amount of spins i have played and the amount of deposit as they make it up like is so impossible to win it, and maybe it is as for two months i simply lost constantly, but luck sometime happens even to players.

There is  a lot of reviews complaining that they games seem rigged and i was convinced too at one point.

For me the fact that the casino never even emailed to let me know they were blocking my account and keep my money and start an investigation is still the biggest red flag. The hat operator as soon they see my email they lose the chat!
Suh fair casino aren't they??
Not a single honest casino does that, communication is extremely important and they probably just hoped i would have disappear.

I am trying to work out how to do a type 3 flag as it is obvious they are just keeping my money and hoping the rest of the internet wont see this thread but they are massively mistaken if they think i will let this go withut making sure the whole universe is aware of this scamming site.

Till now i  gave them the benefit of the doubt but now is too long and the fact that they have gone silent speak louder than any words.

I truly hope the bitcointalk community will help me to stop this so called casino to scam other players.

Please support my flag as they might don't care about their reputation but we can prevent others to walk in my shoes.

aew
jr. member
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April 13, 2022, 02:46:27 AM
shame on LTCcasino
hope they pay you your winning
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April 12, 2022, 07:46:23 PM
I have made well over 15k on deposits so i personally do not have a clue  how many spins i have made  but i would guess  i crazy amount because  I have played max bet only on the last account.

I understand. Since spins are independent of each other, we can use binominal distribution here.
If you have played intensively for a few months, on four accounts, and let's say you have played 500000 spins, we can use binominal probability formula to calculate odds for such an event of 3 jackpots in 500000 spins.

Number of spins (trials) n=500000
Probability of jackpot p= 0.000001 (1:1000000)
Number of jackpot wins (number of successes) k= 3
-------------------------------------------------------

probability mass f   0.01263601434
lower cumulative p   0.99824839324
upper cumulative q   0.01438762110
-------------------------------------------------------


Binomial probability P(X = k): 0.01263601434345700  = 1.26 %.
In other words,  1.26 % chance for this outcome of winning three jackpots in 500000 spins. So if we take this example, you were indeed very lucky, but nothing extremely unordinary.

Anyway, radio silence from the casino is not a good sign, and it's been for a few weeks with no update on the case whatsoever. I will support your flag, and I am sure other members will do the same if the silence continues. To be fair, LTC Casino has a time frame of 3 months as per Terms & Conditions. But, not responding to the questions/posts is not a good sign. I hope they will do the right thing in the end.
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Playbet.io - Crypto Casino and Sportsbook
April 12, 2022, 01:40:51 PM
I think you have created flag type one as you have been scammed directly I think you should create flag type 3 sothat profile shows caution. Anyway, they have got a long time but not solving the issue So I have provided negative trust and also at the same time I have supported your flag.

Thank you so much,much appreciated.

how do I create flag type 3?
You can create flag type 3 by clicking last point I mean point number three. Nothing exception which you done but you have selected first box instead of last (third) box. So, if you click on box number 3 then it will be flag type 3 and people will be able to know that the site is a proven scammer.
member
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April 12, 2022, 01:38:04 PM
I think you have created flag type one as you have been scammed directly I think you should create flag type 3 sothat profile shows caution. Anyway, they have got a long time but not solving the issue So I have provided negative trust and also at the same time I have supported your flag.

Thank you so much,much appreciated.

how do I create flag type 3?
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Playbet.io - Crypto Casino and Sportsbook
April 12, 2022, 01:31:58 PM
I think you have created flag type one as you have been scammed directly I think you should create flag type 3 sothat profile shows caution. Anyway, they have got a long time but not solving the issue So I have provided negative trust and also at the same time I have supported your flag.
member
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April 12, 2022, 07:00:17 AM
Do u think this is a normal legitimate  casino behaviour?

No. It is not.
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April 12, 2022, 06:29:20 AM
@bambolina , did they answer your question - How many spins you have played in total for all four accounts? (on that particular game)

Who?
The game provider?

The game provider said they sent all the  requested  infos.

I have made well over 15k on deposits so i personally do not have a clue  how many spins i have made  but i would guess  i crazy amount because  I have played max bet only on the last account.

The casino has gone silent and they should  be the ones sharing the game provider statement.
Casino guru checked my game history and found nothing out of the ordinary.

if it was for me i would make my game history and deposit  history  public  has i have absolutely  nothing to hide, and people  can see the crazy amount of money and time i have spent.
They compare my case to the felix case,  but I wondered how much the  felix case scammer spent.
Unfortunately  as soon as  i won the biggest jackpots  i was blocked and never heard from the casino  directly,  they just reply in the forums because they had to.

The casino could simply send updates since now is two  weeks that they appeared  and the game provider  said they sent all it was requested.
The casino  should  share the game provider  official  statemtent  and communication  to show transparency,  but I guess it will only prove that they are holding my money unlawfully.

Investigating is fine, but at one point they must realise  that if nothing is found they should pay the players.

I have not trust left  as even when I try to contact  the chat the close it straightway.
Do u think this is a normal legitimate  casino behaviour?




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April 12, 2022, 06:08:47 AM
@bambolina , did they answer your question - How many spins you have played in total for all four accounts? (on that particular game)
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