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Quote from: LTC Casino on October 03, 2022, 02:29:03 PM

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Quote from: LTC Casino on October 03, 2022, 06:39:55 AM

As we have repeatedly stated, the casino has acted in strict accordance with the rules and according to the principles of honesty and openness.

You're a funny guy Cheesy

In case you think making the last post is going to make people believe you: This case wasn't handled strictly by your own terms. I've seen more than enough reasons to never trust you. There's no honesty and no openness.

What do you mean? Player won, his payout was terminated for investigation according to our rules. After the investigation account was unfrozen and money were withdrawn according to our limits.

Just don't engage in any conversation with these, it would be the lowest you could go. They're just baiting you into starting a (useless) signature campaign, where you'll start competing with other casinos for paying them to get your logo on their avatar. These are some of the lowest humans you could ever interact with.

Check out this as an example: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejack-making-120000-dollars-disappear-from-my-account-5368279
Here, they justify another casino stealing 108,132 euros of my funds, because this one is engaging in signature campaigns here and thus the prices would be pushed up due to competition (something like 70 dollars per week

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In another case where ALL of the players got outright scammed, these same "people" said it was fine because the one who scammed was one of them, and he still could be trusted: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-many-red-tags-is-the-scammer-royse777-going-to-get-5407043

Compared to this case, where player got all of his funds, yet he's never trusting you again lol

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Quote from: LTC Casino on October 03, 2022, 02:29:03 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on October 03, 2022, 06:53:32 AM

Quote from: LTC Casino on October 03, 2022, 06:39:55 AM

As we have repeatedly stated, the casino has acted in strict accordance with the rules and according to the principles of honesty and openness.

You're a funny guy Cheesy

In case you think making the last post is going to make people believe you: This case wasn't handled strictly by your own terms. I've seen more than enough reasons to never trust you. There's no honesty and no openness.

What do you mean? Player won, his payout was terminated for investigation according to our rules. After the investigation account was unfrozen and money were withdrawn according to our limits.

You really think we're just going to forget all the crap you pulled? For example, and there are many, claiming soft swiss found "unequivocal proof" that ops win was fraudulent. How dumb do you think we are?

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Quote from: LTC Casino on October 03, 2022, 02:29:03 PM

What do you mean? Player won, his payout was terminated for investigation according to our rules. After the investigation account was unfrozen and money were withdrawn according to our limits.

Yeah but for how long did the player have to make noise about it before his case git attention?
Maybe it's payback time from his side too

Quote from: LTC Casino on October 03, 2022, 06:39:55 AM

I want to let the community know that the player withdrew his winnings according to the limits without any delays and it is more than a month since the last funds were withdrawn.

I guess you now know how painful and inconvenient it feels for someone having to wait for months to get back their money that has been illegally "detained"

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 03, 2022, 06:53:32 AM

Quote from: LTC Casino on October 03, 2022, 06:39:55 AM

As we have repeatedly stated, the casino has acted in strict accordance with the rules and according to the principles of honesty and openness.

You're a funny guy Cheesy

In case you think making the last post is going to make people believe you: This case wasn't handled strictly by your own terms. I've seen more than enough reasons to never trust you. There's no honesty and no openness.

What do you mean? Player won, his payout was terminated for investigation according to our rules. After the investigation account was unfrozen and money were withdrawn according to our limits.

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Quote from: LTC Casino on October 03, 2022, 06:39:55 AM

As we have repeatedly stated, the casino has acted in strict accordance with the rules and according to the principles of honesty and openness.

You're a funny guy Cheesy

In case you think making the last post is going to make people believe you: This case wasn't handled strictly by your own terms. I've seen more than enough reasons to never trust you. There's no honesty and no openness.

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I was surprised to find that the OP hasn't updated this thread in a while.

I want to let the community know that the player withdrew his winnings according to the limits without any delays and it is more than a month since the last funds were withdrawn.

As we have repeatedly stated, the casino has acted in strict accordance with the rules and according to the principles of honesty and openness. We are happy to be able to put the final touches on this story.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 09, 2022, 12:06:49 AM

They claimed Softswiss investigated and "unequivocally classifies this win as a fraud." Didn't provide any evidence. Doesn't even make sense as they brought this up while changing final decision from not paying to paying because they "failed to provide strict evidence of fraud.". I think it's safe to assume Softswiss' response came from their imagination.

Not to mention how quickly Softswiss concluded that the win was fraudulent. LTC Casino took months to "investigate" the player's activity, but SoftSwiss' alleged involvement was first mentioned in May and June. I even wanted to get in touch with SoftSwiss myself just to see if they were ever approached by LTC Casino and asked to investigate this particular case. But since they already started paying the player, I didn't want to complicate things any further and throw more dirt at them. And maybe SoftSwiss isn't allowed to disclose such information anyways.

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I've been holding off commenting because I didn't want to make things any more difficult for op than they need to be.

It's nice and all that ltccasino ended up paying OP, but that doesn't change the way they handled this situation or previous issues on the forum. OP went through hell, don't forget their first final decision was not to pay.

They asked Wazden (the provider) to investigate almost 6 months ago. Wazden found no cheating. Instead of paying OP, they attacked Wazden and dragged it on for another 5 months. Wazden presented a very compelling defense, ltccasino presented obvious bullshit.

They claimed Softswiss investigated and "unequivocally classifies this win as a fraud." Didn't provide any evidence. Doesn't even make sense as they brought this up while changing final decision from not paying to paying because they "failed to provide strict evidence of fraud.". I think it's safe to assume Softswiss' response came from their imagination.

Not to mention they were already acting super shady before this thread was started. (check their post history, I don't feel like getting into it right now).

I will be updating my current feedback and flag support to reflect the situation, and adding a new negative tag to warn other players about the way this casino operates.

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This puts a new spin on matters, thank you for the links.

It was interesting reading communication between Volt Ent. (Wazdan) and LTC Casino because even though it goes on for several exchanges, I cannot recall reading them before. I probably did but cannot recall therefore the claims and counter claims did not look good for both Volt Ent and LTC Casino but as it stands it would be difficult for average members who read this thread to play at LTC Casino.

Having said that the fact they are allowing the OP to withdraw 1496 LTC demonstrates they have not broken their word but it might not be enough for them to save their reputation as caution would probably keep players away.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 07, 2022, 12:42:44 PM

If I recall correctly, the 90 days was part of their terms and conditions to which the OP signed up to. Those 90 days allowed the game providers to check if cheating had taken place therefore that should not be held against the casino.

Yeah, it was a part of their terms. But they were lying about the investigation here. They were ignoring the questions of the forum members. OP made this accusation on 13th March. Wazdan slots provider representative has given their statement in the forum on 16th April (See here). They mentioned that LTC casino representative was giving false information about the investigation.

Quote from: Volt Ent. (Wazdan) on April 16, 2022, 01:27:27 PM

First of all, I would like to tell you that EVERYTHING that is stated here by LTC Casino about our communication and our response to them is not true, or at least not a full truth. This is absolutely unacceptable.

Everything was clear here at the moment. But LTC casino team still took 45+ more days to take their final decision. Which was irrelevant. Moreover, ltccasino team hadn't provided any single evidence to anyone here. It was an unnecessary 90-day investigation.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 07, 2022, 02:51:24 PM

Your explanation makes sense, so I withdrew my support from the Type 3 flag. I am not personally affected by the wrongdoings of the casino and since bambolina changed his mind about the flag and doesn't want it supported anymore, it makes sense to no longer support it.

But I added my support for the Type 1 flag because the community needs to be warned about what the casino has done and that they can do it again in the future in case of another big win.

I don't play around with flags that much, so your input on this particular issues was appreciated.

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Quote from: Pmalek on August 07, 2022, 02:49:01 AM

I don't trust anything that comes out of the mouths of anyone close to LTC Casino. I consider them a threat to the community and Bitcointalk players irrespective of their decision to start paying OP their win. I can remove my support for the flag prematurely right now if they show us the data and the "proof" they gathered after 3 months of investigation. Since they won't do that, and I doubt they have any case against the player except their own suspicions, nothing is going to change. If they were able to find anything they wouldn't have started paying out OP.

I don't trust LTC Casino either. But, OP wrote this:

Quote from: bambolina on July 02, 2022, 02:15:43 PM

Can someone please help me to remove the flags?
I am personally satisfied by the outcoming of the issue and would massively appreciate if those who have supported my flag would remove it.

Based on how Trust flags are supposed to work, I can no longer Support the (red) type 3 Flag that states:

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LTC Casino did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act.

Even though it looks like bambolina hasn't fully been paid yet, they forgave the act. That makes the whole statement no longer true. Since I still don't trust LTC Casino, I won't Oppose the Flag but I've withdrawn my Support.

Then there's the (yellow) type 1 Newbie warning Flag:

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Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with LTC Casino is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions.

I believe this is still accurate, so my Support stays.

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Quote from: JollyGood on August 07, 2022, 12:42:44 PM

If I recall correctly, the 90 days was part of their terms and conditions to which the OP signed up to. Those 90 days allowed the game providers to check if cheating had taken place therefore that should not be held against the casino.

Yeah, it was a part of their terms. But they were lying about the investigation here. They were ignoring the questions of the forum members. OP made this accusation on 13th March. Wazdan slots provider representative has given their statement in the forum on 16th April (See here). They mentioned that LTC casino representative was giving false information about the investigation.

Quote from: Volt Ent. (Wazdan) on April 16, 2022, 01:27:27 PM

First of all, I would like to tell you that EVERYTHING that is stated here by LTC Casino about our communication and our response to them is not true, or at least not a full truth. This is absolutely unacceptable.

Everything was clear here at the moment. But LTC casino team still took 45+ more days to take their final decision. Which was irrelevant. Moreover, ltccasino team hadn't provided any single evidence to anyone here. It was an unnecessary 90-day investigation.

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If I recall correctly, the 90 days was part of their terms and conditions to which the OP signed up to. Those 90 days allowed the game providers to check if cheating had taken place therefore that should not be held against the casino.

LT Casino stated they will allow the withdrawal on the basis of technicality as they have one confirmation cheating took place and one where there was nothing. Either way the OP is withdrawing and the casino have been true to their word thus far but without a shadow of doubt those that placed tags should keep them at least until the full amount has been withdrawn.

Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 07, 2022, 12:35:28 PM

I think it is reasonable to keep the negative feedback and support on the flag as long as the user isn't getting his whole amount. Because, they were holding the funds of the user for more than 3 months without any reason. However, I respect the decision of “Slow death” and “Jawhead999”. Everyone has a different view. Hopefully other DT members aren't going to change their decisions anytime soon.

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Quote from: Pmalek on August 07, 2022, 02:49:01 AM

The case is in the process of being solved. It will be fully solved when everything they owe has been paid out.

Quote from: JollyGood on August 07, 2022, 10:14:42 AM

I think it was premature but also think removing or revising the tags would have been inevitable after the OP withdrew the full amount. Maybe it would have been better to have waited for the OP to confirm he withdrew all the funds.

My opinion is same here. We shouldn't consider this accusation as resolved until OP is getting the 1496 LTC. The behaviour of LTC casino representative wasn't good enough in the forum. OP had filed a complaint against ltccasino on casino guru too, but ltccasino team has behaved in the same way there. Perhaps, Ltccasino team thought they would be able to remove the negative reputation instantly if they can manage to change this accusation title as resolved. They had made an agreement with the user

Quote from: bambolina on July 31, 2022, 08:22:11 PM

I have changed the title as I agreed with the casino rep as he requested and changed since for now they have been paying me.

I think it is reasonable to keep the negative feedback and support on the flag as long as the user isn't getting his whole amount. Because, they were holding the funds of the user for more than 3 months without any reason. However, I respect the decision of “Slow death” and “Jawhead999”. Everyone has a different view. Hopefully other DT members aren't going to change their decisions anytime soon.

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Quote from: Slow death on August 05, 2022, 04:44:43 AM

I removed the negative feedback and removed my support for the flag. Op is already receiving his money so the case is resolved, there is no need to change it to neutral

I think it was premature but also think removing or revising the tags would have been inevitable after the OP withdrew the full amount. Maybe it would have been better to have waited for the OP to confirm he withdrew all the funds.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 07, 2022, 12:35:45 AM

I have removed my negative tag and support since LTC Casino already started to pay the winning, of course if thing goes wrong I would give negative tag again and wouldn't remove it ASAP until I see a good indication to remove the tag, this may take few months until I don't see they have no intention to scam.

But I'd say @Pmalek's decision isn't wrong too, each people have different view to consider removing the tag. At least he's not a kind of user who wouldn't remove his tag even though the accusation already resolved.

I would say the OP and LTC Casino would appreciate you doing so but I would say the same as what I said above... it might be premature for you to do so but we will see what happens when the OP updates us (hopefully after he withdraws the full 1496 LTC).

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Quote from: Slow death on August 05, 2022, 04:44:43 AM

I removed the negative feedback and removed my support for the flag. Op is already receiving his money so the case is resolved, there is no need to change it to neutral

The case is in the process of being solved. It will be fully solved when everything they owe has been paid out.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on August 06, 2022, 10:11:59 PM

I must missed your earlier post. I am more into removing the tags since they started paying. They already know the tags are pressure for them and if they refuse to pay at any stage then tags will be given again. Removing the tags give them access to continue their business. People who check feedback (I believe most do not care to check reference for update) they will consider the casino is still a scam and did not came to a negotiation, resulting not joining them. Eventually they lose business. For a business it's very important that they are in constant cash flow so that they can pay their players even if they have huge bankroll.

They have told so many lies in this thread and accused OP and other companies of being fraudsters without any shred of evidence. They said they would be transparent about their findings - they lied. They said they would release data publicly - they lied. They said they would give their findings to a mod to check. When it was suggested they send everything to LoyceV, they went quiet.

I don't trust anything that comes out of the mouths of anyone close to LTC Casino. I consider them a threat to the community and Bitcointalk players irrespective of their decision to start paying OP their win. I can remove my support for the flag prematurely right now if they show us the data and the "proof" they gathered after 3 months of investigation. Since they won't do that, and I doubt they have any case against the player except their own suspicions, nothing is going to change. If they were able to find anything they wouldn't have started paying out OP.

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I have removed my negative tag and support since LTC Casino already started to pay the winning, of course if thing goes wrong I would give negative tag again and wouldn't remove it ASAP until I see a good indication to remove the tag, this may take few months until I don't see they have no intention to scam.

But I'd say @Pmalek's decision isn't wrong too, each people have different view to consider removing the tag. At least he's not a kind of user who wouldn't remove his tag even though the accusation already resolved.

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Quote from: Slow death on August 05, 2022, 04:44:43 AM

I removed the negative feedback and removed my support for the flag. Op is already receiving his money so the case is resolved, there is no need to change it to neutral

I think this was the right thing to do, others may disagree.

Quote from: Pmalek on August 01, 2022, 05:16:29 AM

I stand by what I said earlier. I will remove support for the flag when the casino has paid out everything they owe. I still consider this casino a high-risk gambling platform since no shred of evidence has ever been posted to back up their claims. But luckily they have decided to do the right thing in this case at least.

I must missed your earlier post. I am more into removing the tags since they started paying. They already know the tags are pressure for them and if they refuse to pay at any stage then tags will be given again. Removing the tags give them access to continue their business. People who check feedback (I believe most do not care to check reference for update) they will consider the casino is still a scam and did not came to a negotiation, resulting not joining them. Eventually they lose business. For a business it's very important that they are in constant cash flow so that they can pay their players even if they have huge bankroll.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 31, 2022, 05:06:11 PM

Updating your quote so the users can recheck the case.

Red Flag: LoyceV, Slow death, Pmalek, TwitchySeal, joeperry, WhyFhy, Jawhead999, Mahdirakib, Blossom15, naim027, GamblingBro, shrxkt
Yellow/light orange flag: LoyceV, Slow death, TwitchySeal, khaled0111, shasan, WhyFhy, Jawhead999, acroman08, Mahdirakib, naim027, PaperWallet, lule29, shrxkt, giornogiovana

I removed the negative feedback and removed my support for the flag. Op is already receiving his money so the case is resolved, there is no need to change it to neutral

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 31, 2022, 05:06:11 PM

Updating your quote so the users can recheck the case.

Red Flag: LoyceV, Slow death, Pmalek, TwitchySeal, joeperry, WhyFhy, Jawhead999, Mahdirakib, Blossom15, naim027, GamblingBro, shrxkt

Thanks for the remainder. I am checking this thread from time to time and of course it's in my watchlist since I have posted in it numerous times. Not to mention the bot notifications every time someone mentions my name or quotes one of my posts.

I stand by what I said earlier. I will remove support for the flag when the casino has paid out everything they owe. I still consider this casino a high-risk gambling platform since no shred of evidence has ever been posted to back up their claims. But luckily they have decided to do the right thing in this case at least.

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