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Topic: PRISM - Who else is disgusted by this? - page 14. (Read 41165 times)

legendary
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Energy is Wealth
June 18, 2013, 02:13:01 AM
#94
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I'd like to suggest a fixed topic about PRISM surveillance and inside that topic some info like that available at http://prism-break.org/
A fixed topic about PRISM should be in place but i would say it wont help much.
In Europe the try to make it mandatory to have every new car registered from October 2015 be fitted with the "112-eCall-System"
it means that your car is tracked 24/7 How much information is collected and sent is anyone's goes. will it come with an always on in-build microphone and internal, external cameras?
Welcome to the future
hero member
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June 17, 2013, 10:36:19 PM
#93
I've seen some people reporting that ixquick is better than duckduckgo.  I've tried duckduckgo before and thought the results were so extraordinarily bad that I couldn't use it.

I thought that too; I guess all that data collection served a purpose Tongue  At least, started out with good intentions.

Yeah, I just tried it for the first time and it is significantly slower than Google.  I don't think data collection has anything to do with how good the results are, that's more an indication of how good the algorithms and the crawlers are.  You can have great algorithms / crawlers without collecting data about people using your search engine.  Going to give it a try for a while, no guarantees that I'll stick with it, but I like the no tracking thing.
legendary
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June 17, 2013, 09:58:17 PM
#92
I've seen some people reporting that ixquick is better than duckduckgo.  I've tried duckduckgo before and thought the results were so extraordinarily bad that I couldn't use it.

I thought that too; I guess all that data collection served a purpose Tongue  At least, started out with good intentions.
sr. member
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June 17, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
#91
I think everyone in their right mind is disgusted by this. 

Speaking of which...I'd love to start browsing pretty exclusively with Tor just for more privacy, but Google searches don't work in Tor for me.  Does anyone know how to fix this, or alternatively, a different search engine that doesn't have this problem?
Try duckduckgo.

Ooh, a search engine that doesn't track you.  Thanks for the heads up, I'll give them a shot.
I've seen some people reporting that ixquick is better than duckduckgo.  I've tried duckduckgo before and thought the results were so extraordinarily bad that I couldn't use it.
hero member
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June 17, 2013, 09:17:07 PM
#90
I think everyone in their right mind is disgusted by this. 

Speaking of which...I'd love to start browsing pretty exclusively with Tor just for more privacy, but Google searches don't work in Tor for me.  Does anyone know how to fix this, or alternatively, a different search engine that doesn't have this problem?
Try duckduckgo.

Ooh, a search engine that doesn't track you.  Thanks for the heads up, I'll give them a shot.
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June 17, 2013, 08:38:44 PM
#89
PRISM is the ultimate Big Brother around...and when that Utah Yottabyte (YB) Data Base is ready, things are gonna be really bad...  Lips sealed

Dark times are comming... Embarrassed

But what bothers me the most is that Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook etc. don't stand a second against the GOV force.

BTW, I'll post here as well what I've suggested somewhere else:

OPs and MODs:

I'd like to suggest a fixed topic about PRISM surveillance and inside that topic some info like that available at http://prism-break.org/

And freedom for all!
sr. member
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June 17, 2013, 08:23:50 PM
#88
Would you guys say that, since the advent of the internet, it has become easier or harder for a totalitarian government to stay in power? Are there examples of states that have become MORE totalitarian in the last 10-15 years or so in a state with decent internet penetration? I want to study the effect of the internet on the coercive state, but I'm having trouble finding articles or studies on it, although I think they probably exist. If anyone can link some, that would be awesome. Here is my initial take on it:

I agree with the sentiment of a lot of people that the end of privacy being caused by computers is terrifying. Governments can spy on populations much better than totalitarian regimes of the past. However, totalitarianism appears to be in MASSIVE DECLINE. Dictators have had a really bad decade, are getting taken out all over the place, and having revolutions despite the use of massive surveillance to support the regimes. Why do you think the opposite correlation would be true? You have to consider the positives of computers and the internet too:

Instant spread of information on government wrongdoing
Easier to organize protests
Stronger free speech protection
Easy access to information promotes more logical populations/representatives who will be less likely to believe, for example, that certain ethnic minorities deserve fewer rights

I'm sure there are a whole bunch I'm missing, but it appears that they outweigh the negative of an easier surveillance state, which I argue will be impossible to stop anyway since no one cares about encrypting their data unless their life depends on it. We have repeatedly seen that you only need something like 10% of a population out protesting in order to have a revolution. Some Eastern European countries saw protest rates of almost 50% during the fall of the soviet union, but such a high level is not necessary, particularly if they are armed with rifles.
legendary
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June 17, 2013, 05:11:08 PM
#87
I think everyone in their right mind is disgusted by this. 

Speaking of which...I'd love to start browsing pretty exclusively with Tor just for more privacy, but Google searches don't work in Tor for me.  Does anyone know how to fix this, or alternatively, a different search engine that doesn't have this problem?
Try duckduckgo.
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June 17, 2013, 01:44:58 PM
#86
In our apartment complex, there has been a series of car radio thefts, resulting in smashed windows and damaged cars. Should we install security cameras (but losing tenant privacy?), or not? I think losing some privacy for the greater good, is required.

This is a terrible analogy in this context.  On a scale of a country/world, that statement loses precision.  First off, the security cameras would be in plain view of the tenants, and would most likely be in agreement between tenants and managers/owners.  There would at least there would be some kind of notice, then you could voice discontent to the owners.  This is not the case when it comes to PRISM.  I understand the possibility of it doing good, but there is no reason a program of that magnitude should be ENTIRELY hidden from the public or its powers derived entirely from the people who created it, without any accountability or oversight.
legendary
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June 17, 2013, 01:29:24 PM
#85
In our apartment complex, there has been a series of car radio thefts, resulting in smashed windows and damaged cars. Should we install security cameras (but losing tenant privacy?), or not? I think losing some privacy for the greater good, is required.
You could help reduce unemployment and hire someone to keep an eye on them.

So instead of electronic Surveillance, the NSA should hire about 100k more employee, to physically watch every single potential terrorist?
legendary
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June 17, 2013, 11:24:00 AM
#84
In our apartment complex, there has been a series of car radio thefts, resulting in smashed windows and damaged cars. Should we install security cameras (but losing tenant privacy?), or not? I think losing some privacy for the greater good, is required.
legendary
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Touchdown
June 17, 2013, 05:37:17 AM
#83

Yes, everyone should boycott american IT companies such as Facebook, Google, Apple, DropBox, Skype, Microsoft, Dell, HP..
The only thing preventing the majority of people to not boycott them are ignorance and laziness to learn other products or operating systems (linux)


Good luck finding an ISP or telco operating in the US that won't give up your data when asked. Using linux won't stop that. Cheesy
hero member
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June 17, 2013, 04:11:01 AM
#82
I think everyone in their right mind is disgusted by this. 

Speaking of which...I'd love to start browsing pretty exclusively with Tor just for more privacy, but Google searches don't work in Tor for me.  Does anyone know how to fix this, or alternatively, a different search engine that doesn't have this problem?
sr. member
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In Hashrate We Trust!
June 17, 2013, 03:39:22 AM
#81

Yes, everyone should boycott american IT companies such as Facebook, Google, Apple, DropBox, Skype, Microsoft, Dell, HP..
The only thing preventing the majority of people to not boycott them are ignorance and laziness to learn other products or operating systems (linux)

legendary
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June 15, 2013, 11:38:28 AM
#80
Where were all you chuckleheads over a decade ago when people were screaming about this? Probably busy marginalizing those people as "conspiracy theorists", because after all the patriot act is only for brown people right?

I was in 6th grade at the time, I think Tongue

Same here, too young to know what the hell was going on  Tongue
legendary
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June 15, 2013, 11:37:36 AM
#79
Where were all you chuckleheads over a decade ago when people were screaming about this? Probably busy marginalizing those people as "conspiracy theorists", because after all the patriot act is only for brown people right?

I was too young to understand? When you don't know, you just don't know.
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June 15, 2013, 11:10:57 AM
#78
Where were all you chuckleheads over a decade ago when people were screaming about this? Probably busy marginalizing those people as "conspiracy theorists", because after all the patriot act is only for brown people right?

In Iraq fixing IED hunting robots.
legendary
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June 15, 2013, 07:16:05 AM
#77
Where were all you chuckleheads over a decade ago when people were screaming about this? Probably busy marginalizing those people as "conspiracy theorists", because after all the patriot act is only for brown people right?

I was in 6th grade at the time, I think Tongue
legendary
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First Exclusion Ever
June 15, 2013, 03:50:51 AM
#76
Where were all you chuckleheads over a decade ago when people were screaming about this? Probably busy marginalizing those people as "conspiracy theorists", because after all the patriot act is only for brown people right?
legendary
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June 15, 2013, 01:12:32 AM
#75
It seems I'm one of the few that realizes PRISM, in all its shapes and forms, is nothing new..and as a result, I'm not shocked by it in the least.

"Modern" spying..whether on domestic or foreign persons..has been around for a number of decades (perhaps much longer), though obviously not on this scale. As technology got more advanced, it became easier and easier for "acronym agencies" to collect and analyze data. It was only a matter of time before something of this magnitude was uncovered.

I think most people probably suspected something along these lines.  Still its not everyday something this large is leaked.


I agree, the size of this project is on a never before seen level. You have literally close to 0% privacy doing anything digitally unless you are really taking measures to avoid being watched. I don't believe I am doing anything wrong, so I don't try to hide anything. That's beside the point though. Just because you aren't doing anything wrong to tickle the government's balls and catch their attention, doesn't make this widespread of a privacy violation right.

And of course, I understand the amount of data they are collecting could be in the exabyte range which is ridiculously vast. You could argue "even if they can see all that you do, what are the chances they will find your stuff". Well, you don't build something that large without an excellent process to index and categorize the information you are collecting in a thousand different ways/views.

More than 99% of internet users are noobs or people like you saying "I got nothing to hide so I dont care".
The result: the 1% (probably more like 0.01%) that are very careful with their privacy and encryption is a so small population that they easier can be monitored manually.
Even if they are careful most of times its enough to make mistake a few times and you get identified.
Maybe I sound too paranoid, but you got to think just like your opponent to win the game of privacy.

It blows my mind people are seriously ignorant enough to not give a shit.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Even if you are "innocent" , innocent is defined by the very people who have granted themselves this power.  They can move that line wherever they want as there is zero oversight.  Like Snowden says, they've recorded everything about your life, anytime they want they can go back and use the simplest of things against you and no one is there to stop them.  Bitcoin for example......  

Also, the Director of National Intelligence LIED under oath to CONGRESS.  Don't people normally go to jail for that?

It seems the general debate about prism is already being pushed under the rug.  Its difficult already to find the story on major news networks.  If anyone still cares sign some petitions!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD

When you sit atop the steaming pile of shit that is the government, the rules don't apply to you. If you want to be strict about breaking laws, there are quite a few current administration members that should be rotting in jail right now
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