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Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 111. (Read 227102 times)

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February 07, 2014, 11:00:17 AM
#89
Vladimir Bukovsky: EU = USSR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m41Tdl5mvdg
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February 07, 2014, 10:47:05 AM
#88
   Hi. I live in Ukraine and oppose Yanukovych. Whatever it was, but this does not give people the power to live. People are just trying to survive and exist. All financial flows are concentrated in their hands, corruption terrible police real bandits. Beggarly wages and pensions. I know that in Europe, too, is not sugar, but we live in this way can no longer.
   We do not want war. We want to change. Support us please. PayPal MelnikSergiy@i.ua
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Do you think that everything will be fine once Ukraine is given the EU membership?

How about you take a holiday and go there and see how "fine" everybody is doing right now?
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February 07, 2014, 08:17:45 AM
#87
Meanwhile in Ukraine... World Socialism(Democracy) overthrows the government. The Ukraine is becoming the Region of the New World Socialist Totalitarian Government.

Ukrainians are already taxed to death and complete slaves of the current government. Now the world socialist international(U.S, U.N.,E.U.) just wants to integrate the country into the world slavery at the international scale.

Know the truth:
http://www.hourofthetime.com/wordpresstest/?page_id=7576
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February 07, 2014, 05:53:33 AM
#86
Do you think that everything will be fine once Ukraine is given the EU membership?

   I took off my rose-colored glasses for a long time. Yanukovych is not pro-Russian or pro-European. He works for the Donetsk clan and oligarchy. Eastern regions voted for him in the elections. Now they regret it. He squeezes all the juice out of the people.
   The same standard of living in Russia are 2 times higher. In Ukraine, people simply surviving. I think that the movement of Ukraine towards Europe is proper. Whatever it was, get any worse.
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February 06, 2014, 08:02:50 PM
#85
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26072281

Things are getting clear....

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The alleged conversation between Ms Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube on Thursday. She says: "So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it and you know..." she then uses the graphic swear word about the EU. The male replies: "We've got to do something to make it stick together, because you can be pretty sure that if it does start to gain altitude the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it."

Are the Ukrainians too stupid to understand this?
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February 06, 2014, 05:06:56 PM
#84
[T]he disclosure represents a potentially big breach in security, which had been tightened at U.S. embassies following the WikiLeaks disclosures of several years ago…

The leak appears to be a smear campaign aimed to split the EU and U.S., who have been critical of the Ukrainian government’s handling of the more than two months of anti-government protests. The tape is also likely to fuel Russia’s claims the U.S. and EU are manipulating and even funding the protest movement in Ukraine…

[The unknown YouTube user who uploaded the clip] posted a second audio clip that appeared on YouTube of a conversation in German presumably between Helga Schmid, deputy secretary general of the EU’s External Action Service (EAS), and EU Ambassador to Ukraine Jan Tombinski. The two voices discuss how the EU is seen by the U.S. as being “soft” on Ukraine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM
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February 06, 2014, 05:44:44 AM
#83
   Hi. I live in Ukraine and oppose Yanukovych. Whatever it was, but this does not give people the power to live. People are just trying to survive and exist. All financial flows are concentrated in their hands, corruption terrible police real bandits. Beggarly wages and pensions. I know that in Europe, too, is not sugar, but we live in this way can no longer.
   We do not want war. We want to change. Support us please. PayPal MelnikSergiy@i.ua
My page on facebook www.facebook.com/sergiy.melnik.75 Thank you.

Do you think that everything will be fine once Ukraine is given the EU membership?
newbie
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February 06, 2014, 05:04:56 AM
#82
   Hi. I live in Ukraine and oppose Yanukovych. Whatever it was, but this does not give people the power to live. People are just trying to survive and exist. All financial flows are concentrated in their hands, corruption terrible police real bandits. Beggarly wages and pensions. I know that in Europe, too, is not sugar, but we live in this way can no longer.
   We do not want war. We want to change. Support us please. PayPal MelnikSergiy@i.ua
My page on facebook www.facebook.com/sergiy.melnik.75 Thank you.
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K-ing®
February 06, 2014, 03:20:35 AM
#81
quote EU = "the West" = Obama's puppet?

and that isn't true?

It is. Does any one think that Merkel or Cameron has the power to even oppose Obama from his decisions?


maybe the last one who is trying to have indepentment  EU politics is Jacques Chirac
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February 06, 2014, 02:44:04 AM
#80
quote EU = "the West" = Obama's puppet?

and that isn't true?

It is. Does any one think that Merkel or Cameron has the power to even oppose Obama from his decisions?
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February 06, 2014, 01:08:44 AM
#79
That would send a dangerous message that Russian imperial expansion via war and resettlement may be slow, but it works.

I see a different problem: many of the people in those regions are too isolated and ignorant of the world around them. Strict travel restrictions at the borders make that a whole lot worse and the case in favour of those restrictions is constantly overstated for political reasons. Open up the borders to the West, and let the Ukrainians make an informed decision.

If Russian imperial expansion is wrong, the American imperialism is even more dangerous.
OK. So what?
Comparing USSA vs USSR penis size has nothing to do with the Ukraine discussion. And it does not give Russia the right to contemplate an act of war by stealing even 1 square metre of land from the foreign sovereign country of Ukraine. If any Eastern Ukrainians are so desperate to be under Russian rule, THEY SHOULD SELL THEIR HOUSES AND MOVE.

Neither the Russians nor the USA-ans seem realise just how similar their cultures appear to outside observers.

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And calling people (in Eastern Ukraine) ignorant just because they don't want to wag their tails to Obama is absolutely rude.
So Obama and the US are in charge of the counter-offers for increased integration with the European Union? Either I missed the announcement myself, or yes they are being ignorant.

However, I wouldn't get so offended if someone called me ignorant -- if I accept that maybe I am ignorant, then I might actually decide to learn something to reduce my level of ignorance. Maybe people who live in the EU should start getting offended that the Russians think:

EU = "the West" = Obama's puppet?  Angry


quote EU = "the West" = Obama's puppet?

and that isn't true?
legendary
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February 06, 2014, 12:14:48 AM
#78
If any Eastern Ukrainians are so desperate to be under Russian rule, THEY SHOULD SELL THEIR HOUSES AND MOVE.

Similarly, the Eastern Ukrainians will tell you that if you are so desperate to be under the EU rule, then you should sell your houses and move to Romania or Hungary.
legendary
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February 05, 2014, 10:32:58 AM
#77
That would send a dangerous message that Russian imperial expansion via war and resettlement may be slow, but it works.

I see a different problem: many of the people in those regions are too isolated and ignorant of the world around them. Strict travel restrictions at the borders make that a whole lot worse and the case in favour of those restrictions is constantly overstated for political reasons. Open up the borders to the West, and let the Ukrainians make an informed decision.

If Russian imperial expansion is wrong, the American imperialism is even more dangerous.

And calling people (in Eastern Ukraine) ignorant just because they don't want to wag their tails to Obama is absolutely rude.

I think that most isolated people in world is peoples from USA.
They think that USA soldiers are protecting peace and free choice for peoples in whole worlds.

+1
legendary
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February 05, 2014, 06:48:23 AM
#76
not to forget about cultural/historical differences between poland and ukraine as regards their attitude to russia - whareas in Poland, Russia is viewed even today as a possible threat, there are parts of Ukraine where inhabitants are ethnic Russians or, at least, speak Russian as their first language, mainly in eastern parts of the country...

Polish politicians make sure that the anti-Russian attitude prevails among the local population, for their own necessity. The same can be said about Western Ukraine.

Around 50% of the Ukrainians speak Russian as a home language, while the remaining use Ukrainian. But several of those who use Russian as their primary language are anti-Russian as well.  Grin

I think the only possible solution is to split Ukraine in to two. The Central and Western regions should stay as Ukraine, while the pro-Russian east, with some 1/3rd of the population should merge with Russia.

That would send a dangerous message that Russian imperial expansion via war and resettlement may be slow, but it works.

I see a different problem: many of the people in those regions are too isolated and ignorant of the world around them. Strict travel restrictions at the borders make that a whole lot worse and the case in favour of those restrictions is constantly overstated for political reasons. Open up the borders to the West, and let the Ukrainians make an informed decision.

I think that most isolated people in world is peoples from USA.
They think that USA soldiers are protecting peace and free choice for peoples in whole worlds.

Afganistan, Libia, Syria, Irak, Kosovo,  9/11, false flags, GMO, al qaida, Nwo, Nsa, aids......................
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February 05, 2014, 06:44:32 AM
#75
this is revolution imported by the west countries.

Let the people from ukraine decides what is best for them


But they obviously don't want USSR 2.0 interference either. That's why some of the protesters are nationalists -- they have a legitimate fear that their country is being ripped apart from both sides.


Yes they have democracy and elections for that or???

Democracy is when protesters don't get killed.

And protesters are protesters if they don't attack police, and don't destroy everyone's property.

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February 05, 2014, 06:24:17 AM
#74
this is revolution imported by the west countries.

Let the people from ukraine decides what is best for them


But they obviously don't want USSR 2.0 interference either. That's why some of the protesters are nationalists -- they have a legitimate fear that their country is being ripped apart from both sides.


Yes they have democracy and elections for that or???
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February 05, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
#73
this is revolution imported by the west countries.

Let the people from ukraine decides what is best for them
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February 04, 2014, 04:12:49 AM
#71
I was talking about the Warsaw pact countries in general not about Poland.
And Russia didn't move a finger for 20 years.
We even get a new american base with that bs missile defense shield built and the Russian aren't saying anything.

they are f** and they know it too well.

Even the Americans have acknowledged that their missile defense shield can't counter advanced Russian ICBMs. If the Russians want, they can destroy Poland in a matter of minutes. Any missile shield will be of no use against the Russian ICBMs.
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January 31, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
#70
Yeah , they said that about every country that left the Warsaw pact.
And the Russians did nothing.

Ukraine is different from Poland. Ukraine has its heavy metal industry, which is heavily dependent on subsidized gas from Russia. Even if Gazprom increases the price by 30%, it will ruin the industry.

I was talking about the Warsaw pact countries in general not about Poland.
And Russia didn't move a finger for 20 years.
We even get a new american base with that bs missile defense shield built and the Russian aren't saying anything.

they are f** and they know it too well.
Yes they are - when USA announced the shield project Russia threatened to aim missiles at Poland, and placed artillery near the border. Later on half of the polish government died in a mysterious plane crash in Russia and the "new" government postponed the project. If that's not moving a finger than what is?Cheesy

On September 17, 2009, The White House issued a statement saying that the US "no longer planned to move forward" with the project. According to President Obama, new intelligence had shown Iran was pursuing short-range and medium-range missile development, rather than long-range, necessitating a shift in strategy.[28][29]

The 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash occurred on 10 April 2010 when a Tupolev Tu-154M aircraft of the Polish Air Force crashed near the city of Smolensk, Russia, killing all 96 people on board. These included president Lech Kaczyński and his wife Maria, former president Ryszard Kaczorowski, the chief of the Polish General Staff and other senior Polish military officers, the president of the National Bank of Poland, Poland's deputy foreign minister, Polish government officials, 18 members of the Polish parliament, senior members of the Polish clergy, and relatives of victims of the Katyn massacre. They were en route from Warsaw to attend an event marking the 70th anniversary of the massacre; the site is approximately 19 kilometres (12 mi) west of Smolensk.

In March 2013 Polish Deputy Minister of Defense Robert Kupiecki announced that Poland intends to build its own missile defense within NATO, complementing the US deployment. Their tentative budget for the next decade is "$10 billion for the modernization of air defense, where half of this sum is dedicated to lower-tier missile defense

Get your facts right.
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