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July 23, 2023, 03:31:12 PM
Kyrie Irving is my favorite player in the NBA, and it saddens me that he's in this situation. Lebron and Kyrie were a very good duo, they played very well together.
Kyrie definitely needs to wake up, if they can get back together with Lebron they can do great things again.

Kyrie Irving became the first NBA player in league history to score a triple-double in his first game in the Drew League.

23 Point
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That's why I love this man. Smiley

He still has it, I men he can play but one thing about him is that he always loves drama, and his personality is very attracted to it. But if he will just focus on basketball itself, we all know how elite Kyrie is.

The thing that they criticised about him though is that he is ball dominant, although he can pass if he wanted to, sometimes there are games that he wanted to take over and put everything in his shoulder. That's why him and Luka was not a perfect fit, in my opinion.
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July 23, 2023, 03:22:17 PM
When Harden was traded he was still young, he wasn't the Harden we know today, and not like he is the Harden we knew back when he was doing amazing job at Rockets neither. That period when KD was early on his Warriors career, Harden was doing near triple double, Westbrook was doing triple double and getting MVP, if those three played together at that time, I think it would have been an easy title for them.

Oh man, another classic story! This will be hard to disagree because the OKC trio at that time was touted to be the young trio who can beat the Miami Heat superteam that was led by LeBron, Wade and Bosh. It's just too unfortunate that the three of them have just played together for only a single season because the Thunder was in a tough position where they have no other choice but to trade Harden towards the Rockets.

If only they have been given for at least 3 seasons together, I think they can be a champion at that time as they will be avenging their loss in the Finals against the Miami Heat because it's just hard not to believe because at that time, they even swept the defending champions that was led by Dirk of the Mavericks in the first round of the playoffs and defeated the Lakers and Spurs as well in the process towards the Finals.

I remember this. It is quite unfortunate that they cannot play longer together. The Thunders have these amazing talents together but cannot seem to get anything from them. They just failed to make them champions. They have to break them because of salary, I think. Eventually, they left Thunders without any accomplishments. Durant became a Warrior and won 2 championships. Ibaka eventually won a ring with the Raptors. Harden and Westbrook are still chasing their rings.

I also agree with the first point that KD's rings look weak because he could only get with Warriors. And also, I think time of KD is almost finished. I don't think he can get a ring after this age.

I do not know if he is already done. He can still perform at a high level of basketball. And now that he is surrounded by equally talented players around him, he still has a big chance of making another run for the championship. It is just a waste that he spent a lot of good years with toxic teammates in Brooklyn. Hopefully, it will be different with the Suns. I am hoping that he can have a better dynamic with Booker and the rest of the squad. As long as they do not clash on who the real alpha leader of the Suns is, I think they have a big chance of making it big this year. CP3 made a good job mentoring Booker during his stay with the Suns. It is time for Booker to show his growth despite under a different leadership at this point.

Kyrie Irving became the first NBA player in league history to score a triple-double in his first game in the Drew League.

23 Point
13 Rebound
11 Assist

Kyrie has always been a good individual player. It is his professionalism and antics that always get in the way of him and the team gelling together. Hopefully, it will be a different story with Dallas. He is yet to prove that he can be a champion outside the shadow of Lebron.
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July 23, 2023, 03:06:56 PM
Kyrie Irving is my favorite player in the NBA, and it saddens me that he's in this situation. Lebron and Kyrie were a very good duo, they played very well together.
Kyrie definitely needs to wake up, if they can get back together with Lebron they can do great things again.

Kyrie Irving became the first NBA player in league history to score a triple-double in his first game in the Drew League.

23 Point
13 Rebound
11 Assist

That's why I love this man. Smiley
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July 23, 2023, 02:25:19 PM

Durant is one of the best shooters I've ever seen. But his ring count is below a lot of superstars. He only won championships with Warriors, if he had it with Thunder that would look different. Every player has had mistakes and bad memories in their career. It's not uncommon for Durant to go to the Warriors for the ring. Other superstars have done that, and they didn't even get the ring (Remember Karl Malone and Gary Payton in Lakers) in the end. LeBron's announcement of his new team on the TV show is also a bad memory, but when LeBron is mentioned now people don't think of that time.

Some players are not skilled enough to bring their team to the finals without having multiple help from their teammates and that's exactly what we have seen with Embiid because he has been playing in the NBA playoffs in the last few years but his luck is no different than the last time when they always knockoff and can't get to the NBA finals for even one time. KD was different because they were able to play in the NBA finals with WB and others but instead of further improving the team to win it next time, he decided to get off and go to a superteam which doesn't really need him to win the championship but no questions when he gets there, that's exactly the year they need him to win those hard games.
I agree with the point about Embiid. Even Michael Jordan needed a really solid teammates to win championships and also even Rodman for the second three-peat. He couldn't do anything alone in the 80s, even though amazing performances. His series against the Celtics with Bird comes to mind first. Even though KD's team with Thunder was better in my opinion, I mean more suitable to win the title, they couldn't do it and KD went to the already contender Warriors. I also agree with the first point that KD's rings look weak because he could only get with Warriors. And also, I think time of KD is almost finished. I don't think he can get a ring after this age.
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July 23, 2023, 02:24:53 PM
It's obvious that the Celtics doesn't want to lose Jaylen Brown in the free market so they want to make sure that they will kept him in the last 5 years or so and they are willing to take that risk in the huge contract.

In fairness, him and Tatum are the backbone of the Celtics and so even if Marcus Brown has left and other players in their roster. They are still going to be a good contender with the 2 leading the team.

You mean Marcus Smart? He did not leave the team; he was actually traded, and based on his interview, he was even surprised that it happened. Well, this is business, and the management has the right to make a decision for the good of the team. Maybe Marcus Smart does not play based on their expectations anymore.
Yes, during the interview, he mentioned that the trade was far from his knowledge and he really didn't expect that he will be part
of that movement, knowing what he contributed to the team.

But likewise, it's business as usual, nothing to expect, but those movements are very possible to every player as the management is the
one who makes the decisions.

With Brown, Celtics knows that if he will be available, there are many offers that will come up, so they just make sure that
they will keep him with such an offer.

Well, I'm sure that Marcus Smart will understand it because it's not just him who is making a business in this league as the franchise as well is looking for a way to keep the team up high while also saving up some cap space for future movements. Also, among the other players who belonged to the same line-up, he is the most dispensable compared to Horford, Tatum or even Brown that is already looking on the money side as he is said to sign a contract worth a whopping $300 Million.
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July 23, 2023, 02:01:14 PM
People are not aware of the inflation I suppose. Players like Jaylen Brown get the biggest contracts because that's the first one, you are going to see a lot more players get these type of contracts after this one because we are seeing inflation, the amount of profit the teams make versus the max contract they can give changes, and that means more and more money for the players.

I understand the logic that we are seeing bigger than ever contracts, but Mozgov made more money in 2016 contract than Micheal Jordan ever did, this doesn't mean Mozgov was better player, hell Lakers barely used him back then, it just means inflation is real and amounts increase all the time. We will see 300-400-500 millions in the future easily.
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July 23, 2023, 01:26:40 PM
When Harden was traded he was still young, he wasn't the Harden we know today, and not like he is the Harden we knew back when he was doing amazing job at Rockets neither. That period when KD was early on his Warriors career, Harden was doing near triple double, Westbrook was doing triple double and getting MVP, if those three played together at that time, I think it would have been an easy title for them.

They did not played together at the right time, they could have been the only team that can beat Warriors streak, Lebron did it only by himself, OKC could have done it better. I mean think about it, OKC was 3-1 up, everyone talks about how Cavs came from 3-1 down, but Warriors came from 3-1 down as well, add Harden there and OKC plays Cavs that year.

They were definitely young and don't know if they stayed together what would have happened but dam I wish I could have seen that.  Russ alone in his prime was wrecking having, image prime kd and prime Harden on the squad too lol.  I get why okc dismantled the team but man I wish we could habe witnessed 5 years of those 3 in theor prime playing together.
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July 23, 2023, 12:03:10 PM
Celtics, Jaylen Brown to renew discussions on potential richest contract in NBA history next week, per report
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-jaylen-brown-to-renew-discussions-on-potential-richest-contract-in-nba-history-next-week-per-report/
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Brown can sign a max extension worth $304 over five years
Why? He ain't the Lebron of this era. Not Steph Curry too.
My curiosity about teams who will agree with such a huge contract will never fade. He is a good player that is given, but I always think such a huge amount is for the caliber of players that are in the top 10 of the MVP race. Looking back, he ain't there.
I just don't know why as well, and I hope that the Celtics will not give this kind of contract to Brown.
Not even the possible GOAT Lebron James had this huge contract on his whole NBA career. Not even Steph Curry who is the greatest shooter on NBA. What can we call Brown? The biggest flop in playoffs? Cheesy

Anyway, I just hope that the Celtics aren't that dumb to give him this contract because he doesn't deserve it TBH, and I know that many here will agree on what we said. He's just eligible for this kind of contract because he "barely" got to the All-NBA team last season. He's a good player like you said, but he's not in the levels of Lebron, or Steph, or Durant, or even with Kyrie, or even with his teammate Tatum. He's below all of them, and yet he's the one who is having a discussion regarding the "possible" largest contract in NBA history.

Aside from Lillard, and Harden drama, maybe let's add Brown to the list as well. Cheesy
That's too much if we base the standard on LeBron and other stars, but the management has seen that Brown has been one of their stars, so they want to keep him. It's their decision, so I guess they know what they are doing, as they wouldn't throw $300 million for nothing.

Brown have showed what he is capable of, the Celtics which came rebuilding were having a success with Brown and Tatum, so they'll stay with a good contract.

But thing about Brown is he already hinted last season that he will be moving to another team if they cannot have any impressive comeback or achievements, unfortunately, the Celtics failed to participate again in the Finals as they lost to the Miami Heat in the conference finals and almost got swept too. So, I think that Brown will just vacate his position in the Celtics in the upcoming seasons regardless of the amount he will be signing with the Celtics. I sure do hope as well that the Celtics have thought about this so well.
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July 23, 2023, 09:47:37 AM
It's obvious that the Celtics doesn't want to lose Jaylen Brown in the free market so they want to make sure that they will kept him in the last 5 years or so and they are willing to take that risk in the huge contract.

In fairness, him and Tatum are the backbone of the Celtics and so even if Marcus Brown has left and other players in their roster. They are still going to be a good contender with the 2 leading the team.

You mean Marcus Smart? He did not leave the team; he was actually traded, and based on his interview, he was even surprised that it happened. Well, this is business, and the management has the right to make a decision for the good of the team. Maybe Marcus Smart does not play based on their expectations anymore.
Yes, during the interview, he mentioned that the trade was far from his knowledge and he really didn't expect that he will be part
of that movement, knowing what he contributed to the team.

But likewise, it's business as usual, nothing to expect, but those movements are very possible to every player as the management is the
one who makes the decisions.

With Brown, Celtics knows that if he will be available, there are many offers that will come up, so they just make sure that
they will keep him with such an offer.
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July 23, 2023, 09:20:13 AM
It's obvious that the Celtics doesn't want to lose Jaylen Brown in the free market so they want to make sure that they will kept him in the last 5 years or so and they are willing to take that risk in the huge contract.
In fairness, him and Tatum are the backbone of the Celtics and so even if Marcus Brown has left and other players in their roster. They are still going to be a good contender with the 2 leading the team.
You mean Marcus Smart? He did not leave the team; he was actually traded, and based on his interview, he was even surprised that it happened. Well, this is business, and the management has the right to make a decision for the good of the team. Maybe Marcus Smart does not play based on their expectations anymore.

It is what it is. Sometimes the teams enter authority deliberately and keep the fan in the dark. Of course, if a player who is a fan favorite, does get traded by the authority, it can actually cause a lot of problems. The fans can actually have an outburst.

So sometimes it is actually better for the authority to not let the people know about everything. And I am actually not taking any sides here. I believe the authority has the power to create a player if they think that is going to be best for the team, and it does not matter what the authority thinks or what the fans think. Sometimes trade works out, and sometimes it does not.
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July 23, 2023, 09:06:28 AM
When Harden was traded he was still young, he wasn't the Harden we know today, and not like he is the Harden we knew back when he was doing amazing job at Rockets neither. That period when KD was early on his Warriors career, Harden was doing near triple double, Westbrook was doing triple double and getting MVP, if those three played together at that time, I think it would have been an easy title for them.

Oh man, another classic story! This will be hard to disagree because the OKC trio at that time was touted to be the young trio who can beat the Miami Heat superteam that was led by LeBron, Wade and Bosh. It's just too unfortunate that the three of them have just played together for only a single season because the Thunder was in a tough position where they have no other choice but to trade Harden towards the Rockets.

If only they have been given for at least 3 seasons together, I think they can be a champion at that time as they will be avenging their loss in the Finals against the Miami Heat because it's just hard not to believe because at that time, they even swept the defending champions that was led by Dirk of the Mavericks in the first round of the playoffs and defeated the Lakers and Spurs as well in the process towards the Finals.
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July 23, 2023, 09:02:37 AM

Durant is one of the best shooters I've ever seen. But his ring count is below a lot of superstars. He only won championships with Warriors, if he had it with Thunder that would look different. Every player has had mistakes and bad memories in their career. It's not uncommon for Durant to go to the Warriors for the ring. Other superstars have done that, and they didn't even get the ring (Remember Karl Malone and Gary Payton in Lakers) in the end. LeBron's announcement of his new team on the TV show is also a bad memory, but when LeBron is mentioned now people don't think of that time.

Some players are not skilled enough to bring their team to the finals without having multiple help from their teammates and that's exactly what we have seen with Embiid because he has been playing in the NBA playoffs in the last few years but his luck is no different than the last time when they always knockoff and can't get to the NBA finals for even one time. KD was different because they were able to play in the NBA finals with WB and others but instead of further improving the team to win it next time, he decided to get off and go to a superteam which doesn't really need him to win the championship but no questions when he gets there, that's exactly the year they need him to win those hard games.
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July 23, 2023, 08:24:43 AM
Other superstars have done that, and they didn't even get the ring (Remember Karl Malone and Gary Payton in Lakers) in the end. LeBron's announcement of his new team on the TV show is also a bad memory, but when LeBron is mentioned now people don't think of that time.

I remember that moment and the reaction of Cavs fans to it. Some of them literally burned LeBron's jerseys to protest LeBron's decision. However, I think LeBron's situation is a little different compared to KD, as LeBron returned to the Cavs and won the first title for them in the 15-16 season.
By the way, let me remind you that Gary Payton has a ring that he won at the end of his career. It was in the 05-06 season with the Heat.
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July 23, 2023, 06:31:20 AM
It's obvious that the Celtics doesn't want to lose Jaylen Brown in the free market so they want to make sure that they will kept him in the last 5 years or so and they are willing to take that risk in the huge contract.

In fairness, him and Tatum are the backbone of the Celtics and so even if Marcus Brown has left and other players in their roster. They are still going to be a good contender with the 2 leading the team.

You mean Marcus Smart? He did not leave the team; he was actually traded, and based on his interview, he was even surprised that it happened. Well, this is business, and the management has the right to make a decision for the good of the team. Maybe Marcus Smart does not play based on their expectations anymore.
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July 23, 2023, 05:28:04 AM
Celtics, Jaylen Brown to renew discussions on potential richest contract in NBA history next week, per report
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-jaylen-brown-to-renew-discussions-on-potential-richest-contract-in-nba-history-next-week-per-report/
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Brown can sign a max extension worth $304 over five years
Why? He ain't the Lebron of this era. Not Steph Curry too.
My curiosity about teams who will agree with such a huge contract will never fade. He is a good player that is given, but I always think such a huge amount is for the caliber of players that are in the top 10 of the MVP race. Looking back, he ain't there.
I just don't know why as well, and I hope that the Celtics will not give this kind of contract to Brown.
Not even the possible GOAT Lebron James had this huge contract on his whole NBA career. Not even Steph Curry who is the greatest shooter on NBA. What can we call Brown? The biggest flop in playoffs? Cheesy

Anyway, I just hope that the Celtics aren't that dumb to give him this contract because he doesn't deserve it TBH, and I know that many here will agree on what we said. He's just eligible for this kind of contract because he "barely" got to the All-NBA team last season. He's a good player like you said, but he's not in the levels of Lebron, or Steph, or Durant, or even with Kyrie, or even with his teammate Tatum. He's below all of them, and yet he's the one who is having a discussion regarding the "possible" largest contract in NBA history.

Aside from Lillard, and Harden drama, maybe let's add Brown to the list as well. Cheesy
That's too much if we base the standard on LeBron and other stars, but the management has seen that Brown has been one of their stars, so they want to keep him. It's their decision, so I guess they know what they are doing, as they wouldn't throw $300 million for nothing.

Brown have showed what he is capable of, the Celtics which came rebuilding were having a success with Brown and Tatum, so they'll stay with a good contract.

It's obvious that the Celtics doesn't want to lose Jaylen Brown in the free market so they want to make sure that they will kept him in the last 5 years or so and they are willing to take that risk in the huge contract.

In fairness, him and Tatum are the backbone of the Celtics and so even if Marcus Brown has left and other players in their roster. They are still going to be a good contender with the 2 leading the team.
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July 23, 2023, 05:21:45 AM
It seems to me that Durant's chase for easy rings at that time affected not only his reputation but also his legacy. I mean, he is definitely one of the most outstanding players in NBA history, but at the same time, in my opinion, he will always be a notch below players like MJ, Kobe, Dirk, etc., because of that signing with the Warriors.

Durant is one of the best shooters I've ever seen. But his ring count is below a lot of superstars. He only won championships with Warriors, if he had it with Thunder that would look different. Every player has had mistakes and bad memories in their career. It's not uncommon for Durant to go to the Warriors for the ring. Other superstars have done that, and they didn't even get the ring (Remember Karl Malone and Gary Payton in Lakers) in the end. LeBron's announcement of his new team on the TV show is also a bad memory, but when LeBron is mentioned now people don't think of that time.

Yeah, that's downside of KD's career, if he hadn't join the Warriors back then, he might have difficult time to win a ring in his career. And thanks to his bold move although unpopular opinion back back as he become one of the most hated player by the OKC, it paid off handsomely for him.

But he needs to win more though, because that stigma winning in the Warriors uniform will haunt him.

So time for him to build chemistry with Booker and Beal as Phoenix Suns.
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July 23, 2023, 05:03:40 AM
Celtics, Jaylen Brown to renew discussions on potential richest contract in NBA history next week, per report
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-jaylen-brown-to-renew-discussions-on-potential-richest-contract-in-nba-history-next-week-per-report/
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Brown can sign a max extension worth $304 over five years
Why? He ain't the Lebron of this era. Not Steph Curry too.
My curiosity about teams who will agree with such a huge contract will never fade. He is a good player that is given, but I always think such a huge amount is for the caliber of players that are in the top 10 of the MVP race. Looking back, he ain't there.
I just don't know why as well, and I hope that the Celtics will not give this kind of contract to Brown.
Not even the possible GOAT Lebron James had this huge contract on his whole NBA career. Not even Steph Curry who is the greatest shooter on NBA. What can we call Brown? The biggest flop in playoffs? Cheesy

Anyway, I just hope that the Celtics aren't that dumb to give him this contract because he doesn't deserve it TBH, and I know that many here will agree on what we said. He's just eligible for this kind of contract because he "barely" got to the All-NBA team last season. He's a good player like you said, but he's not in the levels of Lebron, or Steph, or Durant, or even with Kyrie, or even with his teammate Tatum. He's below all of them, and yet he's the one who is having a discussion regarding the "possible" largest contract in NBA history.

Aside from Lillard, and Harden drama, maybe let's add Brown to the list as well. Cheesy
That's too much if we base the standard on LeBron and other stars, but the management has seen that Brown has been one of their stars, so they want to keep him. It's their decision, so I guess they know what they are doing, as they wouldn't throw $300 million for nothing.

Brown have showed what he is capable of, the Celtics which came rebuilding were having a success with Brown and Tatum, so they'll stay with a good contract.
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July 23, 2023, 01:21:20 AM
Celtics, Jaylen Brown to renew discussions on potential richest contract in NBA history next week, per report
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-jaylen-brown-to-renew-discussions-on-potential-richest-contract-in-nba-history-next-week-per-report/
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Brown can sign a max extension worth $304 over five years
Why? He ain't the Lebron of this era. Not Steph Curry too.
My curiosity about teams who will agree with such a huge contract will never fade. He is a good player that is given, but I always think such a huge amount is for the caliber of players that are in the top 10 of the MVP race. Looking back, he ain't there.
I just don't know why as well, and I hope that the Celtics will not give this kind of contract to Brown.
Not even the possible GOAT Lebron James had this huge contract on his whole NBA career. Not even Steph Curry who is the greatest shooter on NBA. What can we call Brown? The biggest flop in playoffs? Cheesy

Anyway, I just hope that the Celtics aren't that dumb to give him this contract because he doesn't deserve it TBH, and I know that many here will agree on what we said. He's just eligible for this kind of contract because he "barely" got to the All-NBA team last season. He's a good player like you said, but he's not in the levels of Lebron, or Steph, or Durant, or even with Kyrie, or even with his teammate Tatum. He's below all of them, and yet he's the one who is having a discussion regarding the "possible" largest contract in NBA history.

Aside from Lillard, and Harden drama, maybe let's add Brown to the list as well. Cheesy
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July 22, 2023, 09:38:39 PM
Jokic is a good teammate, that's for sure. Murray was healthy, and Jokic is playing as usual, like an MVP, making this team quite scary. Moreover, their 3-point shooting during the regular season is deadly, and their ball movement has been fantastic. Perhaps, the only problem with the teams that played against the Nuggets in the playoffs was that they didn't have someone who could at least limit Jokic, similar to how the Lakers did when they won the championship. They had Howard, who could frustrate Jokic.
Oh yeah! That's one of the best performances of Dwight Howard that I cannot forget focusing on the defensive end by bullying Nikola Jokic in the paint limiting him to score and even make a move. Howard may have fouled out most of that time but all the minutes spent on the floor using him was worth it.
That's also the reason why I am curious that other teams are not offering a contract for him. He could still help a team especially if they will be playing against the champion Denver Nuggets who is focused on a big man as the start of their offense.

Celtics, Jaylen Brown to renew discussions on potential richest contract in NBA history next week, per report
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Brown can sign a max extension worth $304 over five years
Why? He ain't the Lebron of this era. Not Steph Curry too.
My curiosity about teams who will agree with such a huge contract will never fade. He is a good player that is given, but I always think such a huge amount is for the caliber of players that are in the top 10 of the MVP race. Looking back, he ain't there.
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July 22, 2023, 04:04:49 PM
It seems to me that Durant's chase for easy rings at that time affected not only his reputation but also his legacy. I mean, he is definitely one of the most outstanding players in NBA history, but at the same time, in my opinion, he will always be a notch below players like MJ, Kobe, Dirk, etc., because of that signing with the Warriors.

Durant is one of the best shooters I've ever seen. But his ring count is below a lot of superstars. He only won championships with Warriors, if he had it with Thunder that would look different. Every player has had mistakes and bad memories in their career. It's not uncommon for Durant to go to the Warriors for the ring. Other superstars have done that, and they didn't even get the ring (Remember Karl Malone and Gary Payton in Lakers) in the end. LeBron's announcement of his new team on the TV show is also a bad memory, but when LeBron is mentioned now people don't think of that time.
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