Topic: Make sure you pay your taxes to the government that spies on you! - page 3. (Read 5588 times)

Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 03:34:31 PM

I didn't. "should be no government" is a moral position like "should be no homosexuals." There is a government right now, its not going away and the important debate is how to make it as good as possible.

Take away it's monopoly.

So you can legally kill me? No thanks - I'll pass.

How would removing the government monopoly on law enforcement allow me to legally kill you if you don't threaten me with violence?

Unless you would? Would you continue to try and set up a monopoly on violence?

Its illegal for you to kill me now and you have threatened to do so. Are you trying to say that you'd not do it if it was legal to kill me?

Think before you post please.

I haven't threatened to kill you. I have said that I will respond with violence if you threaten me (by advocating that the government should forcibly extract payment from me and kidnap or kill me if I resist) in my presence. I would advise against threatening people.

And I'm still waiting on an answer to whether or not you would continue to advocate and support a violent monopoly.
And on how, exactly, removing the government's monopoly on law enforcement would make murder legal.

So you tell me that you will respond with violence if I support democracy and you deny that's a threat. And you say that threatening to strangle me is not a threat to kill Huh

Again, think before you post.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 20, 2013, 03:31:01 PM

Quote from: Severian on May 20, 2013, 03:38:32 PM

I didn't. "should be no government" is a moral position like "should be no homosexuals." There is a government right now, its not going away and the important debate is how to make it as good as possible.

Take away it's monopoly.

So you can legally kill me? No thanks - I'll pass.

How would removing the government monopoly on law enforcement allow me to legally kill you if you don't threaten me with violence?

Unless you would? Would you continue to try and set up a monopoly on violence?

Its illegal for you to kill me now and you have threatened to do so. Are you trying to say that you'd not do it if it was legal to kill me?

Think before you post please.

I haven't threatened to kill you. I have said that I will respond with violence if you threaten me (by advocating that the government should forcibly extract payment from me and kidnap or kill me if I resist) in my presence. I would advise against threatening people.

And I'm still waiting on an answer to whether or not you would continue to advocate and support a violent monopoly.
And on how, exactly, removing the government's monopoly on law enforcement would make murder legal.

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Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 03:31:53 PM

The very idea of being able to stay out of the government's way is anathema to theocracy based movements.

It's also anathema to modern civil governments.

The only religious nutjobs we have to worry about in America are the Christian and Jewish ones. The Patriot Act wasn't written and passed by Sharia advocates.

Your biblical nutjobs sit around saying "if only people didn't fornicate" - that doesn't help them deal with the problems fornication causes in their communities. A "lets give them condoms so that at least they don't get pox and have babies" approach would work better.

Likewise, your saying "if only government didn't exist" doesn't affect the Patriot Act one bit. A movement to repeal it or amend it might though Cheesy

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Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 03:31:53 PM

The very idea of being able to stay out of the government's way is anathema to theocracy based movements.

It's also anathema to modern civil governments.

The only religious nutjobs we have to worry about in America are the Christian and Jewish ones. The Patriot Act wasn't written and passed by Sharia advocates.

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Quote from: AzureEngineer on May 20, 2013, 03:29:37 PM

Giving up and avoiding conversation? How droll.

I prefer to have conversations with people that might prove fruitful for one or both parties. I may have misjudged, but it didn't seem like this one was tending that way.

Feel free prove me wrong.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 20, 2013, 03:31:01 PM

Quote from: Severian on May 20, 2013, 03:25:32 PM

I didn't. "should be no government" is a moral position like "should be no homosexuals." There is a government right now, its not going away and the important debate is how to make it as good as possible.

Take away it's monopoly.

So you can legally kill me? No thanks - I'll pass.

How would removing the government monopoly on law enforcement allow me to legally kill you if you don't threaten me with violence?

Unless you would? Would you continue to try and set up a monopoly on violence?

Its illegal for you to kill me now and you have threatened to do so. Are you trying to say that you'd not do it if it was legal to kill me?

Think before you post please.

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Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 03:20:51 PM

You don't like violence do you?... Given the choice, I am sure you would choose the US system with all its faults over a Sharia based system.

I don't like violence as you said so I'd choose neither.

The good thing about America is that it's still possible to get by without government if one makes the right choices.

How are you so sure they won't come after you? The very idea of being able to stay out of the government's way is anathema to theocracy based movements.

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