Topic: Make sure you pay your taxes to the government that spies on you! - page 6. (Read 5568 times)

Quote from: Severian on May 20, 2013, 03:10:19 PM

You say that my beliefs are a danger to you making me a murderer and robber.

Do you deny that?

The interesting thing is that given the chance to step back from the death threats, you wriggle around looking for a way to change the subject. Do you think no-one will notice?

Answer the question. Do you deny that your beliefs support and uphold the murderers and robbers, making you a danger to me?

You don't have the right to act as judge, jury and executioner. Whether or not I deny your beliefs does not give you the right to kill me.

Again, look at yourself. You are making death threats because your argument doesn't persuade. Its disgusting.

The interesting thing is that when given the chance to own up to your actions, and change the evil of your ways, you wriggle around looking for a way to change the subject. Do you think no-one will notice?
Answer the question. Do you deny that your beliefs support and uphold the murderers and robbers, making you a danger to me?

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Quote from: myrkul on May 20, 2013, 03:09:35 PM

I believe in democracy, a strong state with separation of powers and that if you live in such a state, you can be compelled to pay taxes.

So if I happen to believe that the government I live under isn't legit and refuse to pay taxes, are you saying that said government has the legitimate power to use violence on me in lieu of being paid?

Is that democracy?

If it is a democracy, then it does have the right to collect taxes and that means the right to use violence as a last resort.

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Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 03:06:48 PM

You say that my beliefs are a danger to you making me a murderer and robber.

Do you deny that?

The interesting thing is that given the chance to step back from the death threats, you wriggle around looking for a way to change the subject. Do you think no-one will notice?

Answer the question. Do you deny that your beliefs support and uphold the murderers and robbers, making you a danger to me?

You don't have the right to act as judge, jury and executioner. Whether or not I deny your beliefs does not give you the right to kill me.

Again, look at yourself. You are making death threats because your argument doesn't persuade. Its disgusting.

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Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 03:06:48 PM

I believe in democracy, a strong state with separation of powers and that if you live in such a state, you can be compelled to pay taxes.

So if I happen to believe that the government I live under isn't legit and refuse to pay taxes, are you saying that said government has the legitimate power to use violence on me in lieu of being paid?

Is that democracy?

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You say that my beliefs are a danger to you making me a murderer and robber.

Do you deny that?

The interesting thing is that given the chance to step back from the death threats, you wriggle around looking for a way to change the subject. Do you think no-one will notice?

Answer the question. Do you deny that your beliefs support and uphold the murderers and robbers, making you a danger to me?

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You say that my beliefs are a danger to you making me a murderer and robber.

Do you deny that?

Lets look at the post you editted:

I believe in democracy, a strong state with separation of powers and that if you live in such a state, you can be compelled to pay taxes. If I meet you, I will say this to you face to face. You say that my beliefs are a danger to you making me a murderer and robber.

When this death threat thing started, you said you would kill me. Since then, you have insisted you are entitled to kill me. Is that still your position?

The interesting thing is that given the chance to step back from the death threats, you wriggle around looking for a way to change the subject.

Do you think no-one will notice?

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Quote from: myrkul on May 20, 2013, 02:58:12 PM

You say that my beliefs are a danger to you making me a murderer and robber.

Do you deny that?

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Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 02:53:34 PM

Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 02:53:34 PM

The problem here is legitimacy. You say that someone who pays their taxes and believes in democracy is really someone who supports murder and robbery and that entitles you to kill them. You do not have a legitimate basis for claiming self-defence there.

If I pay a person to murder someone, am I any less guilty than if I pulled the trigger myself?

No person has the right to initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against another person or their property.

You can not delegate a right you do not have.

Again, you are claiming that if someone disagrees with you, that means they want to kill you so that you can kill them yourself and call it "self-defence."

That's sickening.

No, I am saying that if someone pays a murderer, knowing that they pay a murderer, that makes them just as guilty as if they pulled the trigger themselves.

I'm not going to kill someone just because they "disagree with me."

Back-pedalling? Lets clarify.

I believe in democracy, a strong state with separation of powers and that if you live in such a state, you can be compelled to pay taxes. If I meet you, I will say this to you face to face. You say that my beliefs are a danger to you making me a murderer and robber.

When this death threat thing started, you said you would kill me. Since then, you have insisted you are entitled to kill me. Is that still your position?

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The problem here is legitimacy. You say that someone who pays their taxes and believes in democracy is really someone who supports murder and robbery and that entitles you to kill them. You do not have a legitimate basis for claiming self-defence there.

If I pay a person to murder someone, am I any less guilty than if I pulled the trigger myself?

No person has the right to initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against another person or their property.

You can not delegate a right you do not have.

Again, you are claiming that if someone disagrees with you, that means they want to kill you so that you can kill them yourself and call it "self-defence."

That's sickening.

No, I am saying that if someone pays a murderer, knowing that they pay a murderer, that makes them just as guilty as if they pulled the trigger themselves.

I'm not going to kill someone just because they "disagree with me."

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Quote from: Severian on May 20, 2013, 02:48:14 PM

No person has the right to initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against another person or their property.

A very difficult concept for some to understand, especially those with a vested interest in force and fraud via having a government job or those that receive government benefits.

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You say that someone who pays their taxes and believes in democracy is really someone who supports murder and robbery

That's actually true. Remember that the entire German nation was held accountable for the crimes of its leaders. Personally, I don't think this is the correct view. But to be consistent in your support of the government that prosecuted the Germans, you must also hold the same view for your own support of a criminal, war-mongering government.

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and that entitles you to kill them.

Not speaking for anyone but myself, but I only have the right to defend myself from a present and physical threat. Killing people for ideological disagreements is a practice best left to those that support the State.

Agree. Disagreement is normal. Death threats, less so.

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The problem here is legitimacy. You say that someone who pays their taxes and believes in democracy is really someone who supports murder and robbery and that entitles you to kill them. You do not have a legitimate basis for claiming self-defence there.

If I pay a person to murder someone, am I any less guilty than if I pulled the trigger myself?

No person has the right to initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against another person or their property.

You can not delegate a right you do not have.

Again, you are claiming that if someone disagrees with you, that means they want to kill you so that you can kill them yourself and call it "self-defence."

That's sickening.

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The problem here is legitimacy. You say that someone who pays their taxes and believes in democracy is really someone who supports murder and robbery and that entitles you to kill them. You do not have a legitimate basis for claiming self-defence there.

If I pay a person to murder someone, am I any less guilty than if I pulled the trigger myself?

No person has the right to initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against another person or their property.

You can not delegate a right you do not have.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 20, 2013, 02:37:30 PM

You say that someone who pays their taxes and believes in democracy is really someone who supports murder and robbery

That's actually true. Remember that the entire German nation was held accountable for the crimes of its leaders. Personally, I don't think this is the correct view. But to be consistent in your support of the government that prosecuted the Germans, you must also hold the same view for your own support of a criminal, war-mongering government.

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and that entitles you to kill them.

Not speaking for anyone but myself, but I only have the right to defend myself from a present and physical threat. Killing people for ideological disagreements is a practice best left to those that support the State.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 20, 2013, 02:30:38 PM

Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 02:27:39 PM

The difference is that I have not threatened to kill you.

No, you prefer to do your dirty work by proxy. If you were a real man, you'd come and try to take my money yourself.

Again the thug approach. You threaten to kill people who disagree with you and then you complain that they are not "a real man" if they don't descend to your level.

You pay people to kill people who disagree with you. Is murder by proxy somehow better?

Face it, Hawker. You support murder. You support robbery. You support people who make the Mafia look like the nice guys. And you're calling me a bad guy for resisting that.

The problem here is legitimacy. You say that someone who pays their taxes and believes in democracy is really someone who supports murder and robbery and that entitles you to kill them. You do not have a legitimate basis for claiming self-defence there.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 20, 2013, 02:30:38 PM

Quote from: Hawker on May 20, 2013, 02:27:39 PM

The difference is that I have not threatened to kill you.

No, you prefer to do your dirty work by proxy. If you were a real man, you'd come and try to take my money yourself.

Again the thug approach. You threaten to kill people who disagree with you and then you complain that they are not "a real man" if they don't descend to your level.

You pay people to kill people who disagree with you. Is murder by proxy somehow better?

Face it, Hawker. You support murder. You support robbery. You support people who make the Mafia look like the nice guys. And you're calling me a bad guy for resisting that.

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Quote from: Severian on May 20, 2013, 02:34:40 PM

Again the thug approach. You threaten to kill people who disagree with you

Show me where myrkul threatened this. It sounds out character.

Long thread. Look for a post from cryptanarchist saying he will strangle me. And then myrkul joining in. I'm shocked at myrkul sinking to this level as well.

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