Manny Pacquiao vs Keith Thurman on July 20 - page 17.

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Quote from: TravelMug on July 09, 2019, 07:55:19 AM

Going back to Manny, I saw on local TV that he is training together with his son Jimuel.

So he is training his son to follow his foot step? I think that's a lot of pressure for the son as his father will soon become a hall of famer and a legend.

Good luck to him - Grin

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Quote from: Russlenat on July 09, 2019, 04:07:05 AM

That was official, the fight against Conor was more of an exhibition fight only and their only weapon to make that boring fight a success was just the media hype. So are we still gonna buy Mayweather's hype?, Knowing it would still end up a boring fight.

I beg to disagree. Fighting against Floyd Mayweather will definitely just be a boring fight, but we never knew. The point of that Conor & Mayweather fight is just for the money, nothing else. If manny defeat thurman in july 20th and there would some humor that would have Manny & Mayweather 2. I hope that there’s no bias or unfair decision of the judges.

Conor vs Mayweather fight is not a boxing fight as conor is not a boxer, he is a UFC fighter so no way he will win against Mayweather.
If we like to witnessed whose the greatest in boxing, we should watch a boxer fighting a fellow boxer and Maywather vs Pacma rematch would be a good example of a good fight, of course we shall see if this happens after this fight with Thurman.

I agree, it's more of just for pure entertainment and for the love of money.

If you guys wanted to see a war, I suggest you look for the Ward-Gatti, if I'm not mistaken they have a trilogy, but the first two fights are epic. Those two became friends after the fight and Ward is one of the pall bearer when Gatti was laid to rest.

Going back to Manny, I saw on local TV that he is training together with his son Jimuel.

https://sports.abs-cbn.com/boxing/news/2019/07/09/look-manny-pacquiao-s-son-jimuel-joins-training-session-58894

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Quote from: asu on July 09, 2019, 04:50:08 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on July 09, 2019, 04:07:05 AM

That was official, the fight against Conor was more of an exhibition fight only and their only weapon to make that boring fight a success was just the media hype. So are we still gonna buy Mayweather's hype?, Knowing it would still end up a boring fight.

I beg to disagree. Fighting against Floyd Mayweather will definitely just be a boring fight, but we never knew. The point of that Conor & Mayweather fight is just for the money, nothing else. If manny defeat thurman in july 20th and there would some humor that would have Manny & Mayweather 2. I hope that there’s no bias or unfair decision of the judges.

Conor vs Mayweather fight is not a boxing fight as conor is not a boxer, he is a UFC fighter so no way he will win against Mayweather.
If we like to witnessed whose the greatest in boxing, we should watch a boxer fighting a fellow boxer and Maywather vs Pacma rematch would be a good example of a good fight, of course we shall see if this happens after this fight with Thurman.

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Quote from: Russlenat on July 09, 2019, 04:07:05 AM

That was official, the fight against Conor was more of an exhibition fight only and their only weapon to make that boring fight a success was just the media hype. So are we still gonna buy Mayweather's hype?, Knowing it would still end up a boring fight.

I beg to disagree. Fighting against Floyd Mayweather will definitely just be a boring fight, but we never knew. The point of that Conor & Mayweather fight is just for the money, nothing else. If manny defeat thurman in july 20th and there would some humor that would have Manny & Mayweather 2. I hope that there’s no bias or unfair decision of the judges.

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Quote from: Lan75 on July 09, 2019, 02:49:25 AM

I think Floyd has not refused to fight Pacquiao, it is just the timing is not yet there. Floyd is retired in boxing and has not fought for almost 2 years and he may need a tune-up fight before he face Pacman. Every time Manny fights, his morale is high and he wants his fans to be entertain and happy as well.

I am not sure whether Floyd has made his retirement official or not. His last fight against Conor netted him more than $300 million and he can expect a similar amount in case he takes on Manny Pacquiao once more. My opinion is that he is still capable of 1-2 fights. If Manny wins against Thurman, then the prospect of a Floyd vs Manny rematch may be too hard to ignore for everyone.

That was official, the fight against Conor was more of an exhibition fight only and their only weapon to make that boring fight a success was just the media hype. So are we still gonna buy Mayweather's hype?, Knowing it would still end up a boring fight.

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Quote from: Lan75 on July 09, 2019, 02:49:25 AM

I think Floyd has not refused to fight Pacquiao, it is just the timing is not yet there. Floyd is retired in boxing and has not fought for almost 2 years and he may need a tune-up fight before he face Pacman. Every time Manny fights, his morale is high and he wants his fans to be entertain and happy as well.

I am not sure whether Floyd has made his retirement official or not. His last fight against Conor netted him more than $300 million and he can expect a similar amount in case he takes on Manny Pacquiao once more. My opinion is that he is still capable of 1-2 fights. If Manny wins against Thurman, then the prospect of a Floyd vs Manny rematch may be too hard to ignore for everyone.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 09, 2019, 01:14:39 AM

Manny Pacquiao:

Disadvantages:
1. At 40 years, he is nearing retirement
2. Stayed away from boxing and got involved in politics recently
3. Floyd's refusal to fight him might have affected the morale

I think Floyd has not refused to fight Pacquiao, it is just the timing is not yet there. Floyd is retired in boxing and has not fought for almost 2 years and he may need a tune-up fight before he face Pacman. Every time Manny fights, his morale is high and he wants his fans to be entertain and happy as well.

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Quote from: maculeth on July 05, 2019, 10:52:17 AM

looking at the news today, a statement from Errol Spence jr., he said "I think Thurman will be sharper than his last fight. Thurman is more formidable than anyone expected," said Spence, quoted from the Boxing Scene on Thursday (07/04/2019 )

hopefully in a match, Pacman can prove that he is still worthy of being considered a world-class boxer.

There is nothing more than pacman has to prove anymore because he already have proven himself a lot of times already. Tho, if pacman defeats thurman it would means that pacman is still on his reign. Considering the fact that thurman is a very dangerous fighter who also accepts solid punches. Who ever win the fight tho, as long as both fighters keep the fight clean and will entertain us then they should deserve a huge respect

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Quote from: Maslate on July 09, 2019, 01:05:15 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 08, 2019, 10:40:31 PM

Once Manny gets tired, Thurman can go for the kill.

I'm sorry but did we see Manny got tired in any of his fight?

I think that's why he is winning because he is too condition and the only way to beat him is through bias decision or if he is hit with a lucky punch.

OK.. Let me summarize the positives and negatives for both Thurman and Manny:

Manny Pacquiao:

Advantages:
1. Overwhelming fan support
2. Decades of experience in boxing
3. As per reports, he is in good form recently

Disadvantages:
1. At 40 years, he is nearing retirement
2. Stayed away from boxing and got involved in politics recently
3. Floyd's refusal to fight him might have affected the morale

Keith Thurman:

Advantages:
1. At 30 years, he is in prime age.
2. The fight will happen in the US and there is a chance that the jury might be in his favor
3. Recent form has been good

Disadvantages:
1. His last win by KO was almost six years ago
2. There is a lot of pressure on him to win this fight
3. Betting odds are rapidly shifting against his favor

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 08, 2019, 10:40:31 PM

Once Manny gets tired, Thurman can go for the kill.

I'm sorry but did we see Manny got tired in any of his fight?

I think that's why he is winning because he is too condition and the only way to beat him is through bias decision or if he is hit with a lucky punch.

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Quote from: asu on July 08, 2019, 08:30:32 AM

Then, Keith Thurman must shown something good in the ring like how his mouth saying that full of jokes. Keith will just run and run when the fight starts. Better to shut his mouth, then if not, manny will do it and will make his face just like a punching bag. Tongue

Watched some fight of thurman and he does seems running more of the time. Better to give and show us a good fight in July 20th and prove that he will make manny retire. Cheesy

Keith is a decade younger than Manny and therefore it makes sense for him to run around the ring during the initial rounds. Once Manny gets tired, Thurman can go for the kill. But these simple tactics may not work to a great degree against Manny, who has decades of experience. IMO, Thurman should try to get a KO during the initial 5-6 rounds.

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Quote from: TravelMug on July 08, 2019, 08:16:56 AM

12 days to go and more days to put your bets everyone. Philippines will be another ghost town when the fight starts because everyone is on their local TV, radio's watching and listening the fight.

Definitely 50/50 to me, I'm a Manny fan, but we cant sleep with a fighter like Thurman's caliber, very young and hungry to give Manny his last paycheck and retire him for good.

Then, Keith Thurman must shown something good in the ring like how his mouth saying that full of jokes. Keith will just run and run when the fight starts. Better to shut his mouth, then if not, manny will do it and will make his face just like a punching bag. Tongue

Watched some fight of thurman and he does seems running more of the time. Better to give and show us a good fight in July 20th and prove that he will make manny retire. Cheesy

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 08, 2019, 07:07:47 AM

Quote from: Jating on July 08, 2019, 06:25:24 AM

But I guess, Manny being the favorite now and the shift shows the he still commands a lot of followers amongst Filipinos around the globe.

The odds may be favoring Manny as of now, but still in my opinion Keith Thurman is having a better chance of winning the fight. Anyway just 12 days to go for the event, and the long wait is about to be finished. This fight is more important for Thurman, as his promotional deals may take a hit in case Manny is able to upset him with a KO or a unanimous decision.

12 days to go and more days to put your bets everyone. Philippines will be another ghost town when the fight starts because everyone is on their local TV, radio's watching and listening the fight.

Definitely 50/50 to me, I'm a Manny fan, but we cant sleep with a fighter like Thurman's caliber, very young and hungry to give Manny his last paycheck and retire him for good.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 08, 2019, 07:07:47 AM

Quote from: Jating on July 08, 2019, 06:25:24 AM

But I guess, Manny being the favorite now and the shift shows the he still commands a lot of followers amongst Filipinos around the globe.

The odds may be favoring Manny as of now, but still in my opinion Keith Thurman is having a better chance of winning the fight. Anyway just 12 days to go for the event, and the long wait is about to be finished. This fight is more important for Thurman, as his promotional deals may take a hit in case Manny is able to upset him with a KO or a unanimous decision.

I can say the odds just flip now but that doesn't mean Manny or Thurman will easily win, just forget about the odds, that's only compute the return of your money if you bet own, if you are for Thurman, you can get a good return.

Bet on the fighter than you think will win and of course the fighter than you love so comes the fight night, you will enjoy it even if it will not go on your expectation.

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Quote from: Jating on July 08, 2019, 06:25:24 AM

But I guess, Manny being the favorite now and the shift shows the he still commands a lot of followers amongst Filipinos around the globe.

The odds may be favoring Manny as of now, but still in my opinion Keith Thurman is having a better chance of winning the fight. Anyway just 12 days to go for the event, and the long wait is about to be finished. This fight is more important for Thurman, as his promotional deals may take a hit in case Manny is able to upset him with a KO or a unanimous decision.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 08, 2019, 12:58:58 AM

I hope you are right, but I'm afraid not. hehe.. Pacman will win the fight and pacman backers will be happy after the fight as we have money to spend to celebrate.

I am sure all the gambling site owners will be praying for a win by Thurman. In case Pacquiao wins, it will put them in loss as a lot of the users have made their bets in his favor (especially from the Philippines and from the Filipino diaspora abroad). In case Pacman wins, then his supporters will be left with enough money to party all night... Grin

Only those who have put a lot of bets on Thurman will pray to get the win. Gambling sites owners doesn't care who wins or not, as long as gamblers are willing to go to their sites and put a lot of money.

But I guess, Manny being the favorite now and the shift shows the he still commands a lot of followers amongst Filipinos around the globe.

That's for sure, Manny has a lots of fans who loves to bet on him that's why the line changes.
When these two boxers are making money in the fight, sportsbook are also making money since it's a popular fight and this type of people, people will always put some bet while watching it, and I'm guilty on that.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 08, 2019, 01:19:37 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on July 08, 2019, 12:58:58 AM

I hope you are right, but I'm afraid not. hehe.. Pacman will win the fight and pacman backers will be happy after the fight as we have money to spend to celebrate.

I am sure all the gambling site owners will be praying for a win by Thurman. In case Pacquiao wins, it will put them in loss as a lot of the users have made their bets in his favor (especially from the Philippines and from the Filipino diaspora abroad). In case Pacman wins, then his supporters will be left with enough money to party all night... Grin

Only those who have put a lot of bets on Thurman will pray to get the win. Gambling sites owners doesn't care who wins or not, as long as gamblers are willing to go to their sites and put a lot of money.

But I guess, Manny being the favorite now and the shift shows the he still commands a lot of followers amongst Filipinos around the globe.

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Quote from: jademaxsuy on July 07, 2019, 07:57:16 AM

I am excited already watch Manny Pacman Pacquiao to fight again. I have analyzed tha due to age Manny could go slow down and power punches could also be gone on some percentage as he got more age. Anyway, the Manny pacman Pacquiao fighting style could still be there and that is what makes every Filipino enjoying watching Manny Pacman Pacquiao fight.

I disagree, Manny maybe old now but I think he still have those skills that helped him win titles. For me, age doesn't really matter, Manny Pacquiao prepared for this fight and I know he can win this fight because he has more experience than Thurman.

Having the necessary skill-set is one thing and maintaining the energy level during a 12-round match is another. Out of these two fighters, no one would deny that Manny Pacquiao is the more skilled one. But I am not sure whether he will be able to avoid exhaustion during the final rounds, in case the fight goes to the 12th round without a KO.

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on July 04, 2019, 11:47:19 AM

I'll place a small bet on Thurman. I like underdogs Grin

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Much better mate, who knows he'll defeat the defending champion pacman. Time can tell on this match whose to bet with, but what's important with Thurman is he shouldn't be much aggressive. Pacman is intelligent boxer which do counter punches. Being challenger it must be studied deeply before engaging.

As far as I know Manny Pacquiao is an aggresive boxer. With his speed, he is more of a puncher than a counter puncher. I don't know how Thurman plays but if he will be aggresive, he would be exchanging with lightning fast punches from Pacquiao. If he's not ready with that, we can witness a knockout. I guess they will be observing some of his fights from Morales to Broner. His style might not be that of Mayweather since that style really makes Pacquaio aggresive that led Mayweather to throw clean punches at him.

He sure is an aggressive boxer with strong punches and speed, he might be old but I think he still has the moves that will surely surprise Thurman. I think this match will be very challenging to both since they all have there own weakness but I will still vouch for Manny no matter what.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 08, 2019, 01:19:37 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on July 08, 2019, 12:58:58 AM

I hope you are right, but I'm afraid not. hehe.. Pacman will win the fight and pacman backers will be happy after the fight as we have money to spend to celebrate.

I am sure all the gambling site owners will be praying for a win by Thurman. In case Pacquiao wins, it will put them in loss as a lot of the users have made their bets in his favor (especially from the Philippines and from the Filipino diaspora abroad). In case Pacman wins, then his supporters will be left with enough money to party all night... Grin

I think you don't understand how the sportsbook works.
They don't loss, they are just facilitators, it's the gamblers who are betting against each other, odds or line are just adjusted when too much money in one side. Like in this fight, Manny started as dog, now he is the favorites, meaning, the money is going to pacman.

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