Manny Pacquiao vs Keith Thurman on July 20 - page 34.

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Quote from: sunsilk on June 14, 2019, 11:31:43 PM

I'll still go with Manny as experience wise.

I guess most of us here are for Manny in this fight, there's still plenty of time and I like the schedule since in a month I can still bet more on this game as I continue to save for this fight. I have a feeling that if Manny will lose, it would be his last game, so I'd like to bet on that in case, but if he wins, then that's good for boxing and good for his fans. Being underdog does not make me doubt.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 14, 2019, 04:25:43 PM

After milking Manny for many years, here is what Bob Arum has to say:

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Veteran promoter Bob Arum fears Filipino star Manny Pacquiao might be risking brain damage when he steps into the ring against WBA welterweight champion Keith Thurman in Las Vegas next month.

The 87-year-old Arum, a legendary figure in boxing who promoted Muhammad Ali during the 1960s and 1970s, no longer works with Pacquiao after overseeing most of the eight-division world champion's signature fights.

However Arum believes the serious brain injury suffered by 41-year-old Zab Judah last Friday should serve as a cautionary tale.

https://ph.yahoo.com/news/arum-fears-brain-damage-veteran-pacquiao-192332258--spt.html

I would have to agree that as we aged, we shouldn't take any hard blows to the head. But we can't say that for all boxers though, I mean Pacquaio is a freak of nature, that's why he was able to sustain his long career. Of course, only Manny knows when to stop though, and it's just a matter of time before he will call it quits. But at 41 he still looks very fresh and can still perform at a high level. Can Thurman hit him so hard that he will have a brain damage? I doubt that.

With that Arum's warning, does he know something about Manny's situation? 41 isn't too old to be considered weaker than ever, some may change with our bodies but it doesn't mean that he's too delicate and easy to receive such blows.

I'll still go with Manny as experience wise.

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Quote from: Lan75 on June 14, 2019, 07:05:08 PM

Training is not a problem for Manny but it's the focus on training that should be emphasize.

How can you question his focus when he won his last two fights convincingly, this man deserves respect and if you respect him, bet on him against the favorite.

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 13, 2019, 06:00:52 PM

@ruthwithers1980 - forget about politics, when Manny trains he trains 100%. So I don't buy the 'he is needed' in the Congress or his attention is divided.

Well according to his attendance sheet in the Senate, he has the most number of absent days in the Senate compared to others and that is because of his sports activities like training and promoting. Although is making news as a Senator, but he has his own place for training at his home so I don't think training will be a problem to Manny.

Training is not a problem for Manny but it's the focus on training that should be emphasize. In the past, there were too many interference as he trained but i think they coped up with it now. With so many advisers around i think they know what to do so that Manny can focus on training and stop thinking the outside world momentarily.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 14, 2019, 04:25:43 PM

After milking Manny for many years, here is what Bob Arum has to say:

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Veteran promoter Bob Arum fears Filipino star Manny Pacquiao might be risking brain damage when he steps into the ring against WBA welterweight champion Keith Thurman in Las Vegas next month.

The 87-year-old Arum, a legendary figure in boxing who promoted Muhammad Ali during the 1960s and 1970s, no longer works with Pacquiao after overseeing most of the eight-division world champion's signature fights.

However Arum believes the serious brain injury suffered by 41-year-old Zab Judah last Friday should serve as a cautionary tale.

https://ph.yahoo.com/news/arum-fears-brain-damage-veteran-pacquiao-192332258--spt.html

I would have to agree that as we aged, we shouldn't take any hard blows to the head. But we can't say that for all boxers though, I mean Pacquaio is a freak of nature, that's why he was able to sustain his long career. Of course, only Manny knows when to stop though, and it's just a matter of time before he will call it quits. But at 41 he still looks very fresh and can still perform at a high level. Can Thurman hit him so hard that he will have a brain damage? I doubt that.

What do you expect from Arum though? He is in the business of boxing for many years and have milk around many great boxers. And when they are done with him, he totally talks smacks against his former boxers. Anyways, I agree that we can't compare Manny to Zab Judah, Zab was not active so I don't know why he decided to fight again. He was way past his prime, he retired many years ago that's why his body wasn't able to cope again. Wish Zab speedy recovery though.

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After milking Manny for many years, here is what Bob Arum has to say:

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Veteran promoter Bob Arum fears Filipino star Manny Pacquiao might be risking brain damage when he steps into the ring against WBA welterweight champion Keith Thurman in Las Vegas next month.

The 87-year-old Arum, a legendary figure in boxing who promoted Muhammad Ali during the 1960s and 1970s, no longer works with Pacquiao after overseeing most of the eight-division world champion's signature fights.

However Arum believes the serious brain injury suffered by 41-year-old Zab Judah last Friday should serve as a cautionary tale.

https://ph.yahoo.com/news/arum-fears-brain-damage-veteran-pacquiao-192332258--spt.html

I would have to agree that as we aged, we shouldn't take any hard blows to the head. But we can't say that for all boxers though, I mean Pacquaio is a freak of nature, that's why he was able to sustain his long career. Of course, only Manny knows when to stop though, and it's just a matter of time before he will call it quits. But at 41 he still looks very fresh and can still perform at a high level. Can Thurman hit him so hard that he will have a brain damage? I doubt that.

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Rumors say Pacman already have a minor injury currently. This is bad. Pacman says he is motivated after Thurman bad mouthing him and disrespected him. If Freddie Roach is not the head trainer then I see a Thurman win.

Yes, I heard that rumor as well. But Manny's camp says it's just a minor ankle injury if I'm not mistaken. So I doubt that the fight will not continue or as least Manny will not do good because the injury is not that worst. I would be more concern if it is related to the eye injury he suffered during the Broner fight as it was reported to be serious. But it looks like it's completely heal and he is not affected by that injury.

So for me this injury is a non-factor in the fight. Maybe he just needed warm-ups and stretches on that ankle/feet to at least alleviate the conditions.

We'll not know the actual situation of Manny injury because him and his camp are always like that if you remember his last fight with Mayweather which some people later find out that he had a shoulder injury and as you said, he will definitely continue with the fight cause he seems to be after the money involve.

It makes money have a big influence and it looks like it gives strength in order to win the fight. Anyway, that's they live and keep them fighting but not only for that, it is also the support from the country itself and making them proud.

Thurman is just young and less experience fighting for big and known boxer which Manny has that advantage. It could be some basis to know the possibility that Manny will win this fight.

No doubt Pacman was indeed experienced than Thurman and he was also rated the number eight fighter of all time but that does not give him advantage or possibility of winning the fight against Thurman because Pacman moves and punches seems to be slow and plodding this days I guess that due to his previous shoulder injury.

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 13, 2019, 06:00:52 PM

@ruthwithers1980 - forget about politics, when Manny trains he trains 100%. So I don't buy the 'he is needed' in the Congress or his attention is divided.

Well according to his attendance sheet in the Senate, he has the most number of absent days in the Senate compared to others and that is because of his sports activities like training and promoting. Although is making news as a Senator, but he has his own place for training at his home so I don't think training will be a problem to Manny.

According to the youtube interview I watch, Manny is very eager to train in this fight, and in fact he train early as expected.
He got irritated by the trash talking of Thurman and probably that's one big reason why Manny will be more aggressive and we should witness fireworks in this fight. It's not gonna be a broner style of fight, I'm expecting a toe to toe fight for these two champions.

Manny is immune with trash talker are knew Pacquiao is a decent man and not getting serious about bad mouthing instead he will make prove in the ring what they’re talking
Thurman is only advantage in Age but nothing other than that .
Punch power?we are witnessed about the power of the left hand on Manny and this is what Thurman must avoid or else he will go home with a crying tears lol

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 13, 2019, 06:00:52 PM

@ruthwithers1980 - forget about politics, when Manny trains he trains 100%. So I don't buy the 'he is needed' in the Congress or his attention is divided.

Well according to his attendance sheet in the Senate, he has the most number of absent days in the Senate compared to others and that is because of his sports activities like training and promoting. Although is making news as a Senator, but he has his own place for training at his home so I don't think training will be a problem to Manny.

According to the youtube interview I watch, Manny is very eager to train in this fight, and in fact he train early as expected.
He got irritated by the trash talking of Thurman and probably that's one big reason why Manny will be more aggressive and we should witness fireworks in this fight. It's not gonna be a broner style of fight, I'm expecting a toe to toe fight for these two champions.

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 13, 2019, 06:00:52 PM

@ruthwithers1980 - forget about politics, when Manny trains he trains 100%. So I don't buy the 'he is needed' in the Congress or his attention is divided.

Well according to his attendance sheet in the Senate, he has the most number of absent days in the Senate compared to others and that is because of his sports activities like training and promoting. Although is making news as a Senator, but he has his own place for training at his home so I don't think training will be a problem to Manny.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on June 12, 2019, 11:44:59 PM

Take a look at the odds from Nitrogensports

If you place $100 to Keith Thurman, you'll take home $176.92 but if you place a $100 bet to Manny Pacquiao, you will take home $210.
We can bank on the speed of Manny but what about the punching power? How long can he (Manny Pacquiao) take the punching power of Keith Thurman.
Keith Thurman is 10 years younger than Manny Pacquiao. I am still undecided between the two.

Good question. We all know that Pacquaio used to have one of the toughest chin in 147 lbs until Juan Manuel Marquez breaks it and after that Pacquaio seems to be very vulnerable from overhand right, specially in the second and third fight with Bradley. But as he age, he gain more experienced after that and seems to be very conscious of that shot. Keith Thurman's weapon is his right hand, he is young and powerful and that for me is the swing vote why the odd makers put in as the favorites in this fight. So it's really hard who to bet in this one. If he hits Manny with that right, then Manny will be in a complicated situation. But if Manny dodge and his footwork is good enough and he himself goes in and out and hits Thurman then he can win by decision.

@ruthwithers1980 - forget about politics, when Manny trains he trains 100%. So I don't buy the 'he is needed' in the Congress or his attention is divided.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on June 12, 2019, 11:27:55 AM

You have said the right about Thurman statement towards Pacman but every fighter has the strategy they played towards their opponents in other to get his attention or make him do some unnecessary mistake. However, when I did some little research about Thurman I find out that he's a smart guy and like you said he might be playing some tricks on Pacman

That made Pacquiao has that feeling of grinding his teeth and sort of angry expression during his interview. Although it's not literally the angry expression but you can feel it with his actions and coming from Fernandez's statement on how Manny feels want that fight badly.

We don't know if its part of his strategy to annoy his opponent so they get distracted and we already knew it that Pacquiao bited his bait. But we will see inside the ring the response of Pacquiao to his words.

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on June 12, 2019, 11:44:59 PM

Take a look at the odds from Nitrogensports

If you place $100 to Keith Thurman, you'll take home $176.92 but if you place a $100 bet to Manny Pacquiao, you will take home $210.
We can bank on the speed of Manny but what about the punching power? How long can he (Manny Pacquiao) take the punching power of Keith Thurman.
Keith Thurman is 10 years younger than Manny Pacquiao. I am still undecided between the two.

Manny knows what is he is doing, and don't think Manny will just allow Thurman to punch him in the fight, his speed and defense will make Thurman tired. I am not counting on the age difference since Manny's last fight against Broner proved he can take younger guys, that guy does not even engage.

I'm watching this highlights again and clearly Manny's speed and power is still with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx7P5YIKbWw

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Take a look at the odds from Nitrogensports

If you place $100 to Keith Thurman, you'll take home $176.92 but if you place a $100 bet to Manny Pacquiao, you will take home $210.
We can bank on the speed of Manny but what about the punching power? How long can he (Manny Pacquiao) take the punching power of Keith Thurman.
Keith Thurman is 10 years younger than Manny Pacquiao. I am still undecided between the two.

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Quote from: ruthwithers1980 on June 12, 2019, 10:07:11 PM

These are the main reasons Thurman is favored by all online sportsbooks.

But not so favored, line for Manny should be at least 2.20 because thurman is at 1.70, that would give good profit for Pacman backers if he will win this fight. They both train hard, and they both are champion, Manny being underdog in the fight does loss my trust on him because I'm seeing a value here.

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Manny Pacquiao is now 40 years old, 10 years older than his opponent. He's past his prime years. His attention is so much divided, esp. now that he's very much needed in the Philippine senate (yes, he's a senator in his country), as the midterm senatorial elections have just concluded.

Thurman, on the other hand is young and undefeated. He's very hard on training with so much focus just on boxing. These are the main reasons Thurman is favored by all online sportsbooks.

Interesting read: Pacquiao Stands as Underdog vs Thurman

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Quote from: ricardobs on June 11, 2019, 11:45:41 AM

Apperantly Pacquiao will get about 20 million dollars in earnings from this game, it is clearly showing how much Mayweather understands about promoting and how Pacman needs to fight him to make a decent match.

They have waited way too long to make another rematch so its not as hot topic as it used to be but dude could have made 200 million dollars from a LOSS if he fought Mayweather instead of making these small fights with nobody people. Hope we will get to see a rematch before they both retire.

The problem is that currently Mayweather is having better options to chose from. Pacquiao has always expressed his interest in a rematch, but Mayweather has rejected his requests. If I am in the place of Floyd, I would do the same as well. Floyd won the fight against Manny fair and square. Now why should Floyd give a chance to Manny, to alter this record? And for Mayweather, he can bring good revenue irrespective of the opponent. He has already fought against Manny once. So what is the point in fighting him again?

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Rumors say Pacman already have a minor injury currently. This is bad. Pacman says he is motivated after Thurman bad mouthing him and disrespected him. If Freddie Roach is not the head trainer then I see a Thurman win.

A rumor? where and when this could have be? I'm aware of Pacman's feeling about getting pissed off because of Thurman's word but about the injury? I think it has been reported few days ago and it's his ankle.

Anyone who's aware of the sparring mate of Pacquiao who copied the fighting style of Thurman?

Let see how this thing went out and it maybe Thurman might be eating his words and proves to be the underdog at this game. We know more about Manny and Thurman is just not so long in his carrier, and being a challenger will be difficult to win over a veteran boxer who defeat known boxers in the world.

It's not just Pacquiao and his trainer who's been heating their feelings now. Most of the fans are also wanting to see Pacquiao beat Thurman because of those words that he said. It's not about the tenure of Thurman's career but it's about that he should watch his mouth.

He has to respect his opponent or it's just another strategy that he has built up after seeing the camp of Mayweather did too many Pacquiao before their fight. Bettors are siding with Thurman because their reason is 'he's young'.

You have said the right about Thurman statement towards Pacman but every fighter has the strategy they played towards their opponents in other to get his attention or make him do some unnecessary mistake. However, when I did some little research about Thurman I find out that he's a smart guy and like you said he might be playing some tricks on Pacman

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on June 10, 2019, 08:56:14 PM

Quote from: sunsilk on June 10, 2019, 06:50:40 PM

Quote from: MMysterious on June 10, 2019, 06:08:12 AM

Rumors say Pacman already have a minor injury currently. This is bad. Pacman says he is motivated after Thurman bad mouthing him and disrespected him. If Freddie Roach is not the head trainer then I see a Thurman win.

A rumor? where and when this could have be? I'm aware of Pacman's feeling about getting pissed off because of Thurman's word but about the injury? I think it has been reported few days ago and it's his ankle.

Anyone who's aware of the sparring mate of Pacquiao who copied the fighting style of Thurman?

Let see how this thing went out and it maybe Thurman might be eating his words and proves to be the underdog at this game. We know more about Manny and Thurman is just not so long in his carrier, and being a challenger will be difficult to win over a veteran boxer who defeat known boxers in the world.

It's not just Pacquiao and his trainer who's been heating their feelings now. Most of the fans are also wanting to see Pacquiao beat Thurman because of those words that he said. It's not about the tenure of Thurman's career but it's about that he should watch his mouth.

He has to respect his opponent or it's just another strategy that he has built up after seeing the camp of Mayweather did too many Pacquiao before their fight. Bettors are siding with Thurman because their reason is 'he's young'.

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Apperantly Pacquiao will get about 20 million dollars in earnings from this game, it is clearly showing how much Mayweather understands about promoting and how Pacman needs to fight him to make a decent match.

They have waited way too long to make another rematch so its not as hot topic as it used to be but dude could have made 200 million dollars from a LOSS if he fought Mayweather instead of making these small fights with nobody people. Hope we will get to see a rematch before they both retire.

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