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In the context of the topic I think you can be interested in this article: "8 compelling cats that changed Russian culture".
In the well known Russian cartoon the one cat often said: "Guys, let's live in friendship!"
Topic: Massive abuse in the Russian section. - page 9. (Read 4886 times)
In the context of the topic I think you can be interested in this article: "8 compelling cats that changed Russian culture".
In the well known Russian cartoon the one cat often said: "Guys, let's live in friendship!"
He should have never been there to begin with.
And you still can not understand that you do not decide anything here... fine by me. I will continue to spread information among Bitcointalk users about changes in trust system:
These links are public, and therefore do not violate the rules of the forum, one of them is from theymos.
Red trust + lie.
@TMAN, except translator use https://context.reverso.net/ to understand a little about what is going on in reference. But simply -- I don't care.
So, I received a negative trust from you, because I'm spreading the word about theymos post, so I will quote theymos:
one of the requirements for a peaceful society is the credible threat of retaliation in case you are harmed.
If you have at least a drop of logic, then you will guess what this quote is for.
#MakeYourOwnDT0
Opposite to English, Russian is synthetic language. Better learn it before drafting your concluding observations.
English is my third language and the first two are synthetic so please feel free to fuck off with your conjectures at any time. This has nothing to do with grammar.
I wasn't referring to you specifically
However you support OP (7 merit) who include all participants of thread in 1 distrust list regardless of their opinion and experience.Haste makes waste.
You have a serious lack of understanding of what merits are for. This is not a facetwit "like" or an endorsement. TMAN made what's called a "good post". Brought up an important topic. Even though theymos called him an asshole for the way he did it, I think there is still a valid concern how people with no clue about the trust system get suddenly voted into DT1.
one adjustment, xenon131's punch line was as simple as that: DT0 list of theymos is not equal to DT1 list constructed by his algo..... and it doesn't mean anything personal... but someone from DT1 thought it was hitting on him and negatively commented on me. Picture in my above post illustrates what I'm thinking on his/her comment.
No, you said specifically that if a user is not in theymos trust list but was included into DT1 then it's a "manipulation". That was said more than once and combined with campaigning to exclude the "manipulators" so it can't be a coincidence. I'm quite certain I have conveyed your opinion accurately.
Looks like there is going to be a mutiny if it wasn't put in the public. As careless as leftest they were caught.
There is nothing much being a DT. You can do as much as they can without having that green trust anyway. Alarming that a staff like xandry is silent about it when he understood what is there in plain text.
There is nothing much being a DT. You can do as much as they can without having that green trust anyway. Alarming that a staff like xandry is silent about it when he understood what is there in plain text.
However you support OP (7 merit) who include all participants of thread in 1 distrust list regardless of their opinion and experience.
Haste makes waste.
Haste makes waste.
I have added and removed and added people, quite happy to change my list repeatedly - I have stated numerous times that I am not always right - hence the post, others will come and chime in and help deal with it - DT is a democracy and if the consensus is that there are legitimate posters I will be changing my list (I still believe that AlexSr should be on DT, but until this all goes through the wash I cannot add him back)
I wasn't referring to you specifically
However you support OP (7 merit) who include all participants of thread in 1 distrust list regardless of their opinion and experience.Haste makes waste.
you are dog of lauda you are lie
Yes, cats keep dogs as pets. TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here.
RIP TMAN; but this is something that we all knew. 
Never hidden that fact!
you are dog of lauda you are lie
Woof Woof
I wasn't referring to you specifically
However you support OP (7 merit) who include all participants of thread in 1 distrust list regardless of their opinion and experience.Haste makes waste.
peloso - appears to have cheated bounties - see favdesu's feedback. Appears to have traded trust and merits with alts or close acquaintances - see actmyname's feedback. Campaigning in DT1 voting.
you are dog of lauda you are lie
actmyname liye and favdesu use drugs ( hard drugs as lauda) lies too
all of you is liar mafia
may be i cheat your mother's ass but not remember
you say about boutny )) where ? and when?
why my exluded (~) lists is so stuped?
TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here.
RIP TMAN; but this is something that we all knew. People who make these reports should separately report groups where there is no merit and where merit is being abused.
okay, but it is not obvious for user who just try to make local board a little cleaner, isn't it? Merit abuse and hundreds of posts with low value from farmers it's same shit for me.We had a good approximation of what was actually written in there.
According what you did, you had not.It doesn't look like they have a mature candidate for DT1 though. That's just my personal opinion.
Given how hard it was to get added into DT2 up until recently, I'd even state that they almost have no mature candidates for that layer either. Nice analysis though.
I'm going through the Russian thread and checking users who posted or have been mentioned there. It seems that there is a lack of understanding (to put it mildly) as to what the trust system is supposed to do, particularly the differences between trust ratings and trust lists.
DabLjat (the OP) - on Jan 14 briefly appeared in DT2 and immediately sent a number of positive trusts to the members of own trust list. On Jan 16 sent many negatives to an account farm. Wants a Russian person in DT1 for unknown/unspecified reason.
xenon131 - seems to think that anyone not explicitly trusted by theymos is a "manipulator":
TheFuzzStone - less than a week didn't have a clue about the trust system and DT and how it works. This was also reflected in the thread this user later created in Meta.
taikuri13 - on Jan 14 briefly appeared in DT2 and immediately sent a number of positive trusts without references. Appears to have a better grasp of the trust system and DT1 selection than most other users in that thread. This is post #31 and probably the first mention of what xandry was referring to.
peloso - appears to have cheated bounties - see favdesu's feedback. Appears to have traded trust and merits with alts or close acquaintances - see actmyname's feedback. Campaigning in DT1 voting.
chimk - seems to have a measured approach to the topic. Seems to think spammers need red trust. Has not left a single trust rating but there is talk of voting this user into DT1.
esmanthra - has not sent any trust ratings. Understands the trust system quite well and has posted a detailed explanation of it. A minor error I spotted:
(work in progress)
I would caution against judging these users on their tone or their rhetoric. Cultural difference is a real thing, and important nuances can get lost in translation. Let's focus more on the facts.
Overall it seems that the Russian board quickly went from having no DT members to voting someone into DT1 to having them excluded so there's some resentment but they still have a few DT2 members for the stated purpose of tagging local scammers etc. It doesn't look like they have a mature candidate for DT1 though. That's just my personal opinion.
DabLjat (the OP) - on Jan 14 briefly appeared in DT2 and immediately sent a number of positive trusts to the members of own trust list. On Jan 16 sent many negatives to an account farm. Wants a Russian person in DT1 for unknown/unspecified reason.
xenon131 - seems to think that anyone not explicitly trusted by theymos is a "manipulator":
By the way, if you want to see whom theymos trusts, remove the DefaultTrust entry from your field and add only theymos and nothing more. Click Update. (this can be done with respect to any member of the community) Then Depth 1 will show a list of people he trusts himself. And there is NO one of his algorithm. This means that the existing DT1 is created (by an algorithm) by manipulating a certain group of the community, while all others are / are in the dark.
And this "manipulation" sentiment is echoed throughout the thread as one of the reasons to vote Russians into DT1.TheFuzzStone - less than a week didn't have a clue about the trust system and DT and how it works. This was also reflected in the thread this user later created in Meta.
I also have a personal list of pleasant people (I have no enemies), and the other day, I will leave all of them with trust + comments, why I left such a trust.
This behavior will NOT be considered a violation of the rules.
This behavior will NOT be considered a violation of the rules.
taikuri13 - on Jan 14 briefly appeared in DT2 and immediately sent a number of positive trusts without references. Appears to have a better grasp of the trust system and DT1 selection than most other users in that thread. This is post #31 and probably the first mention of what xandry was referring to.
People said that it would be good to have the Russian-speaking person in DT to tag known scammers, account sellers and merit sellers, because many of victims don't speak English and they can't explain to DT them problems.
Therefore, of course, my hand does not rise to call this procedure “election”, because trust is a personal choice, everyone decides for himself whom he wants to trust and no one has the right to ask for your choice.
But just think, in the whole locale there are different people, with completely different goals. And to decide what kind of "color" will be, for example, a Russian-speaking cheater, or, on the contrary, a good and decent person - there will be people who know Russian using Google Translate.
But just think, in the whole locale there are different people, with completely different goals. And to decide what kind of "color" will be, for example, a Russian-speaking cheater, or, on the contrary, a good and decent person - there will be people who know Russian using Google Translate.
peloso - appears to have cheated bounties - see favdesu's feedback. Appears to have traded trust and merits with alts or close acquaintances - see actmyname's feedback. Campaigning in DT1 voting.
chimk - seems to have a measured approach to the topic. Seems to think spammers need red trust. Has not left a single trust rating but there is talk of voting this user into DT1.
esmanthra - has not sent any trust ratings. Understands the trust system quite well and has posted a detailed explanation of it. A minor error I spotted:
In other words, if, for example, users in an amicable rush begin to make ~ Lauda records in their DT0, this will affect the position of Lauda in the DT1 list only if these users have a sufficient number of Merits (and that only after the next re-forming the list, for now the re-formation is not automatic).
AFAIK merits have no effect on exclusions.(work in progress)
I would caution against judging these users on their tone or their rhetoric. Cultural difference is a real thing, and important nuances can get lost in translation. Let's focus more on the facts.
Overall it seems that the Russian board quickly went from having no DT members to voting someone into DT1 to having them excluded so there's some resentment but they still have a few DT2 members for the stated purpose of tagging local scammers etc. It doesn't look like they have a mature candidate for DT1 though. That's just my personal opinion.
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Dear TMAN, I'm curious why did you decide that I am with someone in collusion? In this topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/trust-5096402 we just share our DT0 lists. Who do you think I can trust, if most of the information I get from the Russian thread? I believe that you made a mistake with your knowledge of the Russian language!
Here is the translation of my messages, sorry for my English:
Added to my list of theymos and you, because I think what do you bring to the forum a favor. Later I will add some more users, there is still need to think. Thanks for the clarification.
I'm a loner here and I don't want any war, and I don't want its consequences to affect me. Never copy-paste someone else posts (or interpretation or attached link), but shakes every written post, because the forum is very centralized. And" pull the tongue " can anyone who interferes. Radically changed his attitude to the forum over the past few months. I think that the recent changes that allow everyone to configure their trust list, and thus affect the DT1 list, should have a positive impact on the forum.
Here is my list confidence (supplement gradually):
Here is my list confidence (supplement gradually):
Code:
theymos
minerjones
MaoChao
LoyceV
TheFuzzStone
xenon131
Xal0lex
chimk
Alex_Sr
taikuri13
While most forum users will not remove DefaultTrust from your DT0 and will not be your own, it will be difficult to change the list of DT1. Users with a rank below Member, having configured their DT0, are not able to affect the DT1 list in any way.
If we take the algorithm that works now-I can not understand how many users at the moment will affect these lists.
I mean, what if most of the participants of the forum will remain in the old system, i.e. will not remove DefaultTrust and will not create their lists DT0, the priority by the number of votes will receive the old members of the DT1, which is selected by default. Please correct if I misunderstand something.One there is a list of DT1 and DT2 on 08.01.2019 year?
Put it here, please. Want to count
Put it here, please. Want to count
Found only for December 5, 2018 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-the-default-trust-system-still-workingactive-5080581
I was removed from DT1 list
Now Lauda's company will be there for a long time. They understand that if they do not stick together, they may lose their "spray paint". As I expected, I also fell under the knives of this meat grinder. On the one hand it scares me a little, but on the other it pleases me. Please note that I have not added anyone to my list of DT0 with ~. 
Now tell me what's wrong with my interpretation?
I wasn't referring to you specifically but to stuff like this:
I also have a personal list of pleasant people (I have no enemies), and the other day, I will leave all of them with trust + comments, why I left such a trust.
This behavior will NOT be considered a violation of the rules.
This behavior will NOT be considered a violation of the rules.
I'm also concerned by the lack of distinction between trust ratings and trust lists. This needs to be understood very well by DT1 members in particular so I'll be excluding users who don't seem to get it.
TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here.
Ops! Language LOL Good to see that you do leave your comment
its your show fella
And we are the puppets? TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here.
Fair point, but I feel as I had added Alex to my trust list (aware he was Russian and those guys needed rep) I was pretty pissed at that thread and the blatant manipulation going on there.
and I didn't ask for the thread to be deleted - please quote me where I did? I asked for action by the Mod - none has happened as he has admitted, if you think that is cool - then who am I to say, its your show fella
not all users - please do not deflect as it is a shitty tactic
Sorry, I mean all users who participated in thread. Bad English.People who make these reports should separately report groups where there is no merit and where merit is being abused.
okay, but it is not obvious for user who just try to make local board a little cleaner, isn't it? Merit abuse and hundreds of posts with low value from farmers it's same shit for me.We had a good approximation of what was actually written in there.
According what you did, you had not.So far I'm just on page 2 and it seems that there is a lack of understanding (to put it mildly) as to what the trust system is supposed to do.
У пoльзoвaтeлeй явнo пpocлeживaютcя paзличныe интepпpeтaции тpacтa. Пoдeлюcь cвoeй.
Tpacт ≠ peпyтaция ≠ лaйки
У пoльзoвaтeля мoжeт oтcyтcтвoвaть фopyмнaя peпyтaция, нo вы мoжeтe eмy дoвepять (нaпpимep y вac бoльшaя иcтopия cдeлoк c ним). Фaктичecки, ecли я кpaшy пoльзoвaтeлю тpacт в зeлeный цвeт, тo пoлoжитeльнo oтвeчaю нa yтвepждeниe "Я дoвepяю этoмy пoльзoвaтeлю финaнcoвыe cpeдcтвa (мoгy внecти пpeдoплaтy/oплaтy), пepeд тeм кaк пoлyчить oт нeгo пpoдyкт или ycлyгy".
Translation:Tpacт ≠ peпyтaция ≠ лaйки
У пoльзoвaтeля мoжeт oтcyтcтвoвaть фopyмнaя peпyтaция, нo вы мoжeтe eмy дoвepять (нaпpимep y вac бoльшaя иcтopия cдeлoк c ним). Фaктичecки, ecли я кpaшy пoльзoвaтeлю тpacт в зeлeный цвeт, тo пoлoжитeльнo oтвeчaю нa yтвepждeниe "Я дoвepяю этoмy пoльзoвaтeлю финaнcoвыe cpeдcтвa (мoгy внecти пpeдoплaтy/oплaтy), пepeд тeм кaк пoлyчить oт нeгo пpoдyкт или ycлyгy".
As I see users have different interpretations of the trust system. My interpretation:
Trust ≠ reputation ≠ likes
The user may not have a forum reputation, but you can trust him (for example, you have a large history of finance deals with him). In fact, if I paint user trust to green, I respond positively to the statement “I trust this user my finance (I send money first) before I receive a product or service from him”.
Now tell me what's wrong with my interpretation?
TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here. AFAICT, that topic is highly analogous to the English discussions. The main addition is that they're looking to get more local representation in DT1, which is very reasonable. I'd prefer if people not treat trust lists as an election, but if I had wanted nobody to ever think/talk/strategize about how trust lists affect DT1 selection, I would've kept the DT1 criteria secret.
They quickly found a quote from me where I previously documented that usernames starting with tildes are handled:
I see nothing concerning with xandry's actions there. Nothing there comes close to warranting deletion. Even if someone was openly talking about trying to form a strategic DT1 manipulation group for the express purpose of undermining the system, such a topic should not be deleted; rather, I'd look to handle this within the DT1 selection criteria.
They quickly found a quote from me where I previously documented that usernames starting with tildes are handled:
"If you want to trust someone whose name begins with a tilde, prefix their name with a backslash." тe ecли вы xoтитe выcкaзaть дoвepиe юзepy ~XXX в cвoй cпиcoк пpямoгo дoвepия зaпишитe \~XXX, ecли жe вы xoтитe выcкaзaть eмy нeдoвepиe зaпишитe ~\~XXX.
So they knew right away that the ~DefaultTrust account was harmless.I see nothing concerning with xandry's actions there. Nothing there comes close to warranting deletion. Even if someone was openly talking about trying to form a strategic DT1 manipulation group for the express purpose of undermining the system, such a topic should not be deleted; rather, I'd look to handle this within the DT1 selection criteria.
(work in progress)
They are all cool at the start, skip to the 14th to experience the sand in vagina quotes
I only read russian with google translate but have to admit there is something shitty in the thread.
They do seem to talk like a mafia.
"What do we do now that we have a DT1"
"Let's all team up to get those ones down"
"Let's all trust this one so he reaches DT1"
But is it against the rules? Not so sure...
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