Topic: Massive abuse in the Russian section. - page 8. (Read 4842 times)

That's not but, but it would much easier to understand if you used the hierarchical view at the bottom of your trust settings page. There you can get exact trustlists. Add ;dt for the dt version. Thanks

Copy pasting from the hierarchical view, trusted and untrusted members will look the same.

so you wrong translated from english to english  and making mistake
call me manipulator? that verry funny
anyway.. it so interesting for me to know   how im manipulate ? you mean my signature ? or my trust list that i published?


i hope you know what to do when you seems 
not other users just proven scammers ( lauda) and assholes ( tman e.t.c)

Not to mention that if you remove DefaultTrust then excluding individual DT1 members is meaningless unless you're in DT1 yourself. This seems to be peloso's attempt to convince other users to distrust actmyname and others who neg-trusted him, not a genuine attempt at building custom lists.

I translated thread from Russian to Croatian and then to English. Above should be quotation, but accidentally, I quoted translated post, I mean I forget to put it under quotation. Will edit post.

You are trying to manipulate, that is obvious.

That was obviously just an issue with translation. Takav mrak = suchmoon and Triz = aTriz. It's hardly a lie.

Also, you are clearly trying to manipulate the trust system:

Here you are saying that anyone who wants can message you, and you will add them to your trust list if they also agree to add you to theirs. If that isn't blatant manipulation, then I don't know what is.

you say peloso trying manipulate but you lie
i see here your manipulation like this  (~ takav mrak ) and this (~ Triz ) there is no such names
next time please dont lie
also i not shitting Lauda a just said she is scammer and it fact and true even if you not like it

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#1 DabLjat explains 1) how to modify trust list. 2) They posted their trust list and suggest others to do the same and also as I understand, they suggested everyone to create custom trust list

#2 TheFuzzStone said thanks to DabLjat for including them in trust list, but they also asked DabLjat why they did it, they didn't cooperate(probably mean trade or something)

#3 Dabljat respect TFS

#4 TFS asked Dabljat what will change for russian community if someone there get DT1 status

#5 don't understand. Dabljat said there is not a single Russian member in DT1.

#6 TFS doesn't know how DT works. Other parts are lost in translation.

#7 discussing exactly this Theymos's post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49163910 and literally listed people the same way as theymos did.

#8 xsenon "how to see someones trust list"

#9 @Dabljat something about "local should be united" but can be wrong translation.

#10 xenon something about exclude people you don't trust with ~ and include people who you trust.

#11 xenon tomorrow is voting for DT

#12 TFS to xenon, you can remove DefaultTrust and manually add people to trust list. "If I understand correctly, if you remove DefaultTrust from your trust list, you won't see ratings from DT1 and DT2 members"

#13 Dabljat Yes, you understand correctly.

#14 TFS "can it be considered as manipulation of trust system?  "

#15 xenon, if I translated this correctly said, something about "few forum members took advantage because everyone is "running" on default trust".  Suggested to remove DefaultTrust, and if I understand correctly to exclude some users who they don't trust...or who manipulate  because if they don't exclude users they will have 0 instead of -1. Can be wrong translation.

16,17,18 irrelevant for this thread in my opinoin

#20 biom33 some random questions about DT

#22 TFS said his english is very bad and some users attacked him in meta because of his thread.

#23 DabLjat said Lauda doesn't want them(probably meant Russian) in DT.

#24 xenon thinks that there is group who controls DT and that that they think Russians are inferior. Also said that he wouldn't waste time discussing with that group.

#25 TFS said that it seems like they think Russians are inferior.

#26 TFS breaks forum rules. Also linked theymos's post from "new DT" thread and asked "how to understand this"

#27 taikuri13 explains theymos's post.

#28, 29 discussing theymos's post.

#30 Dabljat said that local "candidates" for DT are xandry chimk esmanthra but non of them has trust list.

#31 taikuri13 believes TheFussZone should be added to this list. Also mentioned that trust is "personal choice" and no one should ask someone to include/exclude people you trust from trust network.

#33 Alex_Sr supports TheFussZone and added them to their trust list.

#34 MaoChao, I belive he said trust system =/= trade system.

#35 - 45 discussing trust system, nothing wrong here

#36 TFS, well, you can click links posted in thread.

#37 peloso: "Lauda is junky and bitch, cmon, lets all add this to trust list ~Lauda"  
Posted his list and excluded many members of current DT form his trust network.

#38 TFS said "it is not good to be angry, I will still publish news about Monero. I suggest everyone to set his trust list based on their "conscience". This could be wrongly translated, it can also mean "put people you trust on your trust list and distrust people you don't trust"

#39-50 discussing about system

#51 TFS about his trust list, he trust people he put in his list. I won't translate other parts because it can have hidden meaning but also it doesn't mean it does.

#52 taikuri, if I understand correctly, said, it is good to have DT in Russian because they won't need to post in english section reports about bounty abusers, cheaters, scammers, account farmers, they will be able to do it in Russian board and tag accordingly.

#53 Rooivalk posted his trust list.

#54 peloso want's Russian united and suggested everyone to exclude these members:
http://archive.is/yNmaO#selection-18349.0-18369.7 unedited post.

#55 xandry said "put reference link to your trust ratting" nothing wrong here. Didn't comment above post.

#56 chimk ordinary post.

#57 Alex_sr points farming ring they exposed and something about trust system. Normal post.

#58 xanon - links thread where it is explained how to see someone's trust list.

#58 Alex_sr said it is easier to see someone trust list if you add person to your trust network and click on trust.

#59 random shitpost

#60 - #73 discussing trust system

#74 MaoChao created his trust list.

#75 - 90 discussing trust system, merit abuse, farming accounts, trading accounts etc.

#91 peloso trolling

#92 xenon131 discussing trust system. Quoted theymos as well.

That's it from me, I don't see anything wrong in this discussion except peloso person is trying to manipulate with people and some shitting on Lauda. So far it seems like regular discussion.
@ LoyceV can you scrap trust lists of all accounts mentioned in topic?

Edit #2) that is 92/157 posts. I didn't translate most of other posts.

You're shooting yourselves in the foot with this. The Russian board now has more DT2 members than it used to but instead of using them you'll throw a fit and agitate for DefaultTrust removal even though it's obvious that most users in that trust discussion thread had little or no clue as to how it's supposed to work, let alone most of Russian users in general. All because you "elected" an unqualified person and feel slighted by the "English".

I mean there is nothing wrong with a custom list, just that you seem to be doing for the wrong reasons and with users like peloso participating in this process it will probably end not well.

     That would be ideal. However, how is a new member who has only been around for a month or so supposed to know who to place on their trust list? Or is the reality that we have faced some sort of stagnation and all lower ranked members are actually alts of more established members. Isn't the point of default trust to give a heads up to people who haven't gotten or witnessed enough hard knocks yet to know any better?

and process is started

LOL, no, I wouldn't go as far as "theymos trusts". I'd say "theymos tolerates" me is more accurate.

Again, keep in mind that TheFuzzStone needed only one exclusion to be kicked off. So Lauda doesn't matter (sorry sir puppetmaster). You need to find someone trusted by other DT1s enough to be included in their lists or at least someone with enough clue to not trigger a single exclusion.

I have excluded TheFuzzStone so it would appear that you're saying I'm Lauda's sockpuppet, is that right? Just making sure.

A word of advice: by the time of next DT1 vote find a candidate that at least knows something about the trust system and how it should and shouldn't be used instead of a nice guy who sends trust ratings to other nice guys. You have two weeks, plenty of time. If you vote someone like Fuzz in again you'll likely get another exclusion. Another thing to keep in mind is that if you keep voting for Fuzz who has very little chance then you're essentially wasting your limited votes, while exclusions are unlimited.

You'd have to be out of your mind to put the currently excluded people back in. That's why it doesn't work for them. They have no viable candidate for DT1.

Every community/board/section would want to have a DT member who will " protect " their members by tagging scammers, if non of the DT members here go to Arabic, Russian or many other boards, how do those local boards benefit from the current DT list?

The DT list now is the result of members who trust each other for a reason, if the Russian members feel like they can not trust or benefit from the current DT list they have the right to want someone they trust on DT, as well as the right to exclude DT members they do not trust.

I am too lazy to quote anything , but a few of the current DT members were discussing including and excluding some members based on "points" they see fit in this topic >https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/defaulttrust-changes-5095156  which i see nothing wrong with.

while this could be an attempt to exclude every current DT member and take full control of the trust system, it still does not qualify as an abuse IMO. i am pretty sure the new system will have to go through some updates and changes soon. let us just see how things go, after all, manual intervention by theymos is always possible , so nothing major to worry about here.

Well, aren't there plenty of other DT1 members that are neutral who could put them back in? All that needs to be done is to persuade enough of them to take affirmative action.

So when I learned English did I change my way of thinking? Or do the Russian morphemes make you lie, i.e. say there was manipulation when there was none?

Will read it in a bit. It seems that the cat's cult needs to work some magic again!

Is this supposed to be some kind of threat?

All I see is freedom of being shady in that thread.

freedom of speech in russian  

friendship with scammers from ny signature? impossible 
also i like cat's blood