Topic: Massive abuse in the Russian section. - page 2. (Read 4870 times)

Also see above and read previous pages.

There are more DTs than just Lauda. The best solution is to talk about it and attempt to come to a resolution.

Feedback doesn't show on the local boards currently - so eliminating the current members on DT and setting your own list would just result in previously tagged scammers and spammers not showing up with any feedback in the English section of the forum. Are you going to go through the thousands of valid feedback to tag all those under your own system ?
You won't have the benefit of valid warnings.

This needs some cool heads and good negotiators.

Xal0lex hasn't left a single feedback. What is the point of being on DT2 if you haven't left a single feedback? Also, just being a moderator doesn't entitle you to a DT position, as you can see by all the staff members who aren't on DT.

It's called making amends.

It's called a split personality? I. e. all according to your call should exclude Alex, and you now include Alex?

I would like to add something of note: excluding someone doesn't mean that you don't trust them.

I could very well trust someone but think that they trust bad company: for example, if someone trusted some users but unbeknownst to them, those users were shady.

None. Theymos made a mistake by including someone just because they are a staff member. If someone includes him back in, he'll just get more exclusions.

Being a staff member =/= trustworthy.

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I'm also unsure whether Xandry should be in that list as well.



Stuff like this also bothers me. Clearly they were tagged because they were Russian moderators IMO (as both him and Xandry received this positive trust); otherwise someone else would be chosen as there are better people in the staff group.

Because of the actions of the gang in the composition of TMAN and Lauda from the list of DT2 was deleted local moderator Xal0lex (-1). He was attached to this list by theymos.

What kind of negotiations can we talk about in such a situation?

If these pieces of shit don't trust even to moderators - about what to talk to them and to agree?

Its really an issue of concern that on other language section of bitcointalk some guys are abusing massively. Basically its not so easy to detect so fast but need instant solution too.

Maybe many of us have got the knowledge of understanding multiple languages but its not an easy task to learn most of the languages. Some guys are taking this gap as a opportunity to spread their illegal activities. Basically when we want to investigate one topic from italian section at that we need to translate it to our native language first.  After then we are capable of understanding whats going on there.

we have to keep in mind that everyday the community of bitcointalk increasing rapidly. Its going much difficult for our DT members to controling the forum day by day. I think we need to find a productive way to stop this kind of massive abuses on other language section.  

suchmoon! as i heard asshole TMAN only but i was wrong now i see you are a big asshole
i understand your buthurt you think you will lost your fucking power but you already lost your power
your feedback nothing for my partners and peoples that i trade
and they trust me
you also so stuped you opened sfm topic  that so good   you can shit there as much as you want and play a game with your shit and take Lauda, actmynames and other assholes we will not miss you

and Russian locales not need DT1 we will made our own dt i recomend it other locales

SAY NO LAUDA

I'm not gonna waste my time reading the last 4 pages of this thread so forgive me if this has already been brought up.

I think a lot of otherwise respectable members here are making a mistake listening to loud assholes like DabLjat and peloso. They're the cryptohunters of the Russian board with no interest in anything other than escalation.

A simple way forward is to support the "good guys" and there are plenty of those in the Russian community. Support may be as simple as not excluding/red-trusting the good guys or countering existing exclusions/red trust. If you're not sure - and unless you speak passable Russian or have MANY HOURS to spend with multiple translation tools and talk to English-speaking Russians then you can't be sure - please simply take yourself out of the debate and don't act with exclusions or red trust. I have contacted numerous users over the last couple of days trying to explain this simple concept but it is unsurprisingly very difficult to do so when the debate is being fueled by emotions or perhaps even malice.

I stand by my opinion that an unqualified DT1 member should be excluded and I don't see a viable DT1 candidate on the Russian board yet, but there are some good DT2 candidates if you cut trough the noise. Unfortunately some of them got caught up in this debacle simply by posting in the Russian DT discussion thread and/or appearing in a trust list of a shady person. I consider that unacceptable and I have started reincluding some of them at my own risk. Unfortunately my sole action means jack shit. Any DT1 members willing to contribute to the solution and not to the problem feel free to PM me or post here at any time and I'll try to answer any questions you may have on this subject.

DT1 lost vlue since  you uebok tagged me year ago  and blamed the farm without any evidence and proofs your reference even wrong so if DT1 not work it must be remove

Okay, I see. Now, the issue with excluding DefaultTrust entirely is totally up to you. However, you run the risk of seeing scammers with neutral trust. If you have no problem with that and are genuinely careful with your trading, then go for it.

However, I would seriously advise against promoting the exclusion of DefaultTrust to people who aren't careful with their trades.
Users that don't look at the trust page of those that they're trading with are susceptible to scams.

There have to be some users on DefaultTrust that you think leave well-intentioned ratings, right?

yes and it fair

cos all Lauda's and she's pets tagged "scammers" is not scammers at all

First of all, thank you for the insightful response. It's important to create discussion as some users may know things that others do not.

My main point is that DT in its current state tags a huge number of scammers that manifest in the English boards (some in the Local boards as well). The issue with excluding DT1 members is that not only do their feedback stop propagating but also the DT2 members under them.

You may say that this is not an issue because they have some ratings you disagree with but there is a better solution: one that can solve your problem without enabling scammers.

If there is feedback you disagree with, you can counter it with your own positive trust (for those that are in your local DefaultTrust system) and potentially undo the negative by vocalizing it in Reputation or elsewhere. There will be times that the DefaultTrust members are unwilling to negotiate but since you've countered the trust, to all people who align with your DT0, they will see a positive rating.

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Think of it this way: (arbitrary numbers)

Suppose Lauda has 1000 good ratings and 10 bad ratings.
If you exclude Lauda, you lose all of those 1000 good ratings.
If you counter the 10 bad ratings, you keep the good ratings and nullify the bad ratings.

Good luck indeed.
Difficult to talk constructively in a paranoid environment, and there seems to be plenty of that about.

Good luck with this, you will need it. He's talking about peloso I believe.

You set a negative trust without undeniable evidence and cannot explain your position. For a year there has been no dialogue. DT is needed to protect forum against scammers, alts and bots, not for express your personal opinion about someone. You have abused your power and compromised DT. As a result, the Russian revolution began. It makes me laugh.

Yep, they speak English very badly but you don't respond to those who speak better.

Let's begin, then. List your issues with the DefaultTrust system and we will create a correspondence.

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I see them majority of people in [ Чeллeндж ] Hacтpoй и пoкaжи cвoй Trust-лиcт (and the Russian forum as a whole) don't speak English fluently. Plus, take a look at peloso's English posts.

So what's stopping you from starting this dialogue? I have repeatedly offered you this dialogue in English. You kept silent in response. What language barrier? Are you kidding?

Bad wording on my end. Like I said though, uncanny valley of what it's meant to be.

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It was just a little strange because I had no interaction with the user at all. No exclusions, no posts about them. Must have been either roped in to a collective, or perhaps tagged members alluded to my exclusion.