Topic: Massive abuse in the Russian section. - page 3. (Read 4886 times)

I have already answered this. Me and a lot of people around me got excluded solely out of spite whilst the user claims not wanting to involve emotions into this.

It's not really, no. You're encouraged to create your own list whilst not excluding everything that took many years to establish. If you do that, then you're essentially nullifying the security provided by all those ratings.

There should be the opportunity for some civil dialogue in order to repair the already-strained relations.

I see no reason why the Russian forum must create their own DefaultTrust list to follow without having the security of the (literally thousands of) negative feedback targeting scammers.^*
Is there any chance that we can resolve this?
There is a language barrier, so if there are sensible members that are bilingual or understand a reasonable amount of English then we can tackle the differences in our thinking.
TheFuzzStone maybe? You're already a soft-DT1. If we can highlight the differences in our logic and come to a compromise, the exclusions should be lifted.

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The ironic part, though, is that this kind of "self-created" list is in the uncanny valley of what we want. The point of the new system is to encourage making your own lists.
Unfortunately, the Russian community has missed the mark slightly if they decide to create another centralized list.

this feels like soviet union vs allies all over again, i wonder , would there be the same drama if a Russian member started this topic ? almost every Russian member is taking the Russian side blindly, while i do not agree with how TMAN described the situation here, i totally find funny that some people would include known scammers and people who are far from trusted just to appose current DT members trust lists. the current and the previous DT members are far from perfect, in fact i would rate them at 5 over 10 but i am pretty certain that with all the flaws ,the forum is much safer with them than without them.

having said that, i still stand by my opinion that at least every local board needs a local DT member/s to help protect that board, but those people have to get to DT in proper and fair manners.

actmyname is stupid slave so all slaves trying to demonstrate his importance and he seems so funny
when d1 controlling such stupid slaves and scammers as Lauda thid must be destroy (IMHO)

Don't you guess whose unfair decisions caused the birth of this Russian revolution? Some DT members have abused their power and compromised the trust system. For example, one year ago after the appearance of the merit system Peloso and I tested it. It was an economically useless and not prohibited operation which doesn't harm the forum. We didn't get any benefits only burned some sMerits. I remained Sr. Member, he remained Legendary. Then Actmyname set us a negative trust and without undeniable evidence accused that we are alts. I always helped the staff, found hundreds of bots and sent 4000+ reports. Am I alt and violator? Seriously? Ok, I don't mind, if it helps Actmyname to demonstrate his importance. But let's call a spade a spade. If this is a fight against scammers, then I'm Satoshi Nakamoto

I'm pretty sure that this has been stated several times in different forms in this thread alone. The people that were accused of colluding apparently don't understand it or do not want to understand it. The longer this goes on, the more it seems like a lost cause.

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Don't snip out my description of the users that we are dealing with.

why oh why do you want to be on DT? will you run about the forum adding tags to scams? will you engage and try to find the truth when there isnt a clear answer? will you ask people in lending questions to avoid newbies getting skamed?

if not - then why oh why do you want to break a system? you are spouting about graph theory yet don't have enough merit in there to push 100 users forward, please dont spout nonsense, this is making me want to just tag more members there to save the forum as a whole from your shenanigans

Reputable forum members were meant, which have years of experience on the forum, not only in Russian locale.
They could remind other users that is need to make trust lists with responsibility.


I think this warning might be added on the Trust settings page.

Watching from the outside, it seems to me that you have become slaves of this system. And it seems that the only thing you have achieved in life, so it got to DT. And you try to stay there as if it replaces your house or apartment. Be kind to each other.

see above i answered

tell me why you added me to exclude list?

Excluding Lutpin I can understand, since he left a lot of sig campaigners hanging with the 777Coin and Bitvest campaigns.  It's unfortunate that that happened, but maybe he got burned by Lutpin in one of those.

Blazed and yahoo62278 I don't agree with, but I'd like to hear the reasoning behind their exclusions if Rooivalk wouldn't mind explaining. 

What is the reason to exclude Blazed, yahoo62278 and Lutpin? You must have some reason.

So why do you have scammer Admiral in trust list? Account who took loan and didn't return.

It actually wouldn't. You already have 6 DT1 exclusions, so one DT1 inclusion would make no difference. You still wouldn't be on DT1 even if theymos included you. As noted by other users already, it might be wise to spend more time understanding the new changes before you try to advise other Russian members on the best course of action.

Also concerning is your repeated assertion that you will "never change your mind". Being unable to consider any point of view other than your own and being unopen to discussion and compromise is not a good attitude to have.

 i tried to investigate about Admiral today and couldnt find someting about scam also i see him in green ( positive feedback) and there is no red feedback so if he scammer he must red but he green
so you ll say trust system not work?

I'll explain. at first I made a list of the only people I know on the forum and trust them. I had no motive to bring you in. But your behavior angered me, I did not see any benevolent attitude to the participants from the Russian locale, on the contrary you behave very haughtily, aggressively and always attack by team, where the opinion is only the leader, while the other members of the gang only support him. Thus, I have no reason to exclude you from the list.

All my ratings are valid (including those three). Stop pulling things out of context, especially when you don't even understand the system itself.

We (aka all DT1 members) decide it, and we have decided to exclude you. Wake up from your delusions already.

Wrong. You continue to spread dangerous propaganda that will lead to more newbies getting scammed. Why does this not surprise me given that people from that board are known to abuse just about anything?

Some info about me can be found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49232976

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Hmm...  What about these? I'm sure you'll find arguments for this behavior.



The next one is good, so reasonable! s/



Need more reasonable feedbacks with Reference?



The owner of these "reasonable feedbacks with reference" is Lauda. Who want to see a full list, just check Lauda's trust.

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This post will be probably the last post in this forum war, because I don't like wars. And the second thing -- I don't care what you think about me and especially what you think of my presence in DT1. You don't decide this. Just accept that fact.

My opinion about DT0 will never change, whether I will be in DT1 or not.

If theymos decides to exclude me -- I'm not gonna change my mind and I will continue to spread the info about DefaultTrust changes and the importance of personal DT0.

Even if theymos adds me to his trust list (which would cause of incredible butthurt for some users) -- I'm not gonna change my mind and I will continue to spread the info about DefaultTrust changes and the importance of personal DT0.

I don't have to report back to you (in context of some users like Lauda), so take it in your hands https://translate.google.com/  and have a nice day! 

So why are you suggesting people to remove certain users?

Why this forum member has excluded certain forum members:
Goran_ never leaves Russian local but excludes:
 


Or Rooivalk

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49290224

Also never left Russian local. What is the reason for all exclusions?

I look forward to when marlboroza check my account. I've read a lot that he's good at analyzing accounts. I want to see how right he is.

I respect this forum and the people who improve it.

Oh come on, that's just taking things a bit too far.  I really don't think most of the current DT1 members have anything against Russians per se.  I sure as hell don't, and I'm from the US and grew up in the 1980s when the Soviet Union was still considered "the evil empire".  

I've been reading this thread but haven't been following people's trust lists, and that's basically what it comes down to.  If you're including known scammers on it out of spite, that's a problem because every single member on this forum uses the same trust system.  I just excluded peloso because of his trust list and his cryptohunter-like attitude in another thread, but excluding Russians from my trust list isn't something that's going to be a pattern as far as I can see.

But I don't have an agenda against Russians, and I can't stand seeing this cold war starting to form, with the Russian community walling themselves off from everyone else.  There's got to be a better way to solve this problem.  Everyone probably needs to take a breath and step back for a few minutes and maybe reevaluate why they included, excluded, or negged someone else.  If it was out of spite or was for emotional reasons (anger being the first one that comes to mind), then it should probably be changed.  

That wasn't a threat.  It was a fact.  Time will indeed tell who stays and who goes from DT, though it's probably not a bad assumption to think DabLjat is hoping Theymos (or this newly-formed democracy) boots you off. 

I can't even remember how this conflict got started, as none of this seemed to be a problem more than 3 days ago.  Was it this thread in particular?