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 the only way to stop this situation  is to let people decide, whether they want to be Ukranians or they want to build another country, my grandpa is a Ukranian I know what I am talking about, people there are very different there, mentality, culture, everyting, it s just a historical accident that made them living in one country called "Ukraine" the east part is 99% russians also as the Crimea, so I don't see any problems in deviding into two parts!!!
legendary
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Parliament speaker does not concede that Russian army could be used in Ukraine’s southeast

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/733034

This could complicate the prevailing situation....

Tymoshenko suggests holding referendum on Ukraine’s accession to NATO June 15

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/732974
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Flag of Novorosiya federative state:



The bottom ribbon says "liberty and labor!".
legendary
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Yesterday the Neo-Nazis supporting Oleg Lyashko stormed the administration building in the city if Topaz in Donetsk oblast. No one there had weapons. One civilian killed.

legendary
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From midnight, all political rallying and activities in Ukraine must stop, prior to the (p)residential elections tomorrow.
http://www.bfm.ru/news/259010

I wonder if this applies to artillery shelling of civilians in the cities of the South-Eastern republics.

Meanwhile, the pro-Kiev mercenaries are getting hammered in Eastern Ukraine.

Ukraine Faces Struggle to Gain Control of Militias, Including Those on Its Side

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/24/world/europe/ukraine-faces-struggle-to-gain-control-of-militias-including-those-on-its-side.html?_r=1

From the end of the article:
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“We sacrificed Crimea without a shot fired,” said Andrey Gobzhelyan, 45, a military veteran and former machine tools maker. “This time we just have to fire.”

To interpret the quote: "Not a single civilian died and people did what they always wanted to do by reuniting with Russia. Now blood must be spilt and slauter must commence just for the hell of it, just to show that we care.
legendary
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Mothers and wives of newly enlisted Ukrainian soldiers protest their deployment without better training:



Meanwhile, the pro-Kiev mercenaries are getting hammered in Eastern Ukraine.

Ukraine Faces Struggle to Gain Control of Militias, Including Those on Its Side

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/24/world/europe/ukraine-faces-struggle-to-gain-control-of-militias-including-those-on-its-side.html?_r=1
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A range of Russian news journalists from different outlets, including RT’s Spanish and Arabic news crews, accredited to cover the upcoming presidential election in Ukraine on May 25, were denied to entry to the country without explanation.

http://rt.com/news/161024-rt-denied-entry-ukraine/
legendary
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lol.. this is what revolution is all about. Right Sector extremists storming courts and police stations.

District Court of Kiev seized by pro-Maidan

http://russian.rt.com/article/33298
legendary
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American Ticonderoga-class rocket cruiser Vella Gulf  has entered Black Sea carrying Aegis anti-rocket system:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1211422?utm_medium=rss20
Washington said that the ships entry into Black Sea is connected with the (p)residential elections in Ukraine.



Russian journalists being banned entry to Ukraine to cover presidential election
http://rt.com/news/161024-rt-denied-entry-ukraine/

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RT Spanish cameraman Aleksandr Serichenko and his assistant, Andrey Peleshok, were refused entry at Odessa Airport, southern Ukraine. The journalists have accreditation from Ukraine’s Central Election Commission.

“Without explaining the reason for refusal, the members of [Ukrainian] border service forced the RT crew to buy return tickets at their own expense," said the statement from RT’s press service.

This is not the first time RT journalists have been denied entry to Ukraine. On May 20, journalists from RT Arabic were also refused entry by Ukrainian border police after arriving in Kiev to cover the election. Like the Spanish news crew, journalists from RT Arabic were also accredited by the Ukrainian Central Election Commission.

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Journalists from two more Russian TV channels were denied entry to Ukraine on Wednesday. Ren-TV crew and two crews of the All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company (VGTRK), were banned from entering the country in Kiev’s Borisopol airport.

Ukraine bans entry to RT crew sent to cover presidential election
http://rt.com/news/160264-rt-banned-entry-ukraine/



Also, has anyone paid close attention to Putin's formulations today?
1. Russia will not be sending observers to the elections.
2. Russia works with whatever sits in Kiev now, and will work with whatever will sit in Kiev after the elections.
3. All attacks on civilian population in the South-East (the Civil War) must be stopped after the election.

What Putin basically said with those three statements, is that Russia does not care who gets installed in Kiev as long as the Civil War stops.

Now, I wonder what would be the "or else..." clause.
legendary
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Russian general says will take around 20 days to completely pull troops back from the Ukrainian border, as per Interfax. Defense Ministry had said earlier that the pull back would be completed by June 1.

Meanwhile, cracks are appearing in the EU camp.

Walesa Says Ukraine's Maidan Gave Russia Pretext To Intervene

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-walesa-critical-euromaidan/25395933.html
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Russian journalists from LifeNews are still missing in Ukraine. The lawyer got a response from detention centres that the journalists are not held in any of them. SBU remains silent.
http://ria.ru/world/20140523/1009052050.html



Russia prepares classified document with retaliatory measures to Western sanctions

Russia has prepared a classified document with retaliatory measures to Western sanctions against Moscow over Ukraine, a senior Kremlin economic aide said Friday. There are tactics developed in response to these sanctions, Andrey Belousov told Rossiya 24 TV during the St. Petersburg Economic Forum. Certain activities will concern different levels – it depends on whether the sanctions are imposed against individuals or sectors, if they are systemic or not, he said. If any new sanctions are imposed against Russia, “we know exactly how to react,” the official said.
http://rt.com/news/line/2014-05-23/#62348
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The European Union's policy of carrot and stick for Ukraine continues....  Grin

Europe ready for second stage of visa facilitation with Ukraine

http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/europe_ready_for_second_stage_of_visa_facilitation_with_ukraine_321834
legendary
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Russia will work with whoever elected in Ukraine - Putin
http://rt.com/news/161036-crimea-odessa-putin-tragedy/

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 “We are now working with these people who control the power, but after the elections we will work with newly-elected structures,” he said.

Putin said that Russia will respectively treat the results of presidential elections in Ukraine on Sunday.

“We understand and see that people in Ukraine want their country to escape this long-drawn-out crisis. [Russia] wants some relief [in Ukraine],” he said.

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 “The situation [in Ukraine] is becoming worse as Kiev authorities continue their punitive operation in the east of the country. The military actions don’t stop. [They] use artillery, tanks, APCs. The shells fall at houses, peaceful civilians die,” he said.

Putin believes that the conditions for Ukraine’s elections do not correspond to international standards.

“[Armored personnel carriers] are firing there and journalists are being captured and detained … What are the conditions for holding the elections?”

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 He said that Russia had offered dialogue with Western countries, but hasn’t received any consultations, only slogans.

“Look, they made a coup, but they don’t want to talk to us. What thoughts do we have? The next step is that Ukraine joins NATO. We have never been asked and we don’t have any dialogue,” he noted.

“We say, ‘Military infrastructure is approaching our [Russian] borders.’ [They say] ‘Don’t worry, it’s not against you.’”
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Ukraine struggles to contain violence in east as key vote approaches

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-military-chief-says-nato-troops-along-border-a-worry-ahead-of-ukraine-vote/2014/05/23/283846ec-e259-11e3-810f-764fe508b82d_story.html

Putin: Responsibility for the situation in Ukraine borne by our European partners for supporting this coup d'etat.
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Posting this bit as a separate topic, as it's a pretty high-level news item...

Putin: All-out civil war in Ukraine, Odessa-style tragedy averted in Crimea
http://rt.com/news/161036-crimea-odessa-putin-tragedy/

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“If we haven’t done this, [in Crimea] we would have had more tragedies than those which we now see in some Ukrainian cities, for example, in Odessa, where unarmed people have been burned alive: Fifty people have been burned, other fifty went missing. Where are they? They are killed, too.”” Putin said at St. Petersburg Economic Forum.

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“We gave free will to Crimean citizens, they arrived at the referendum [March, 16] and voted for their own future,” he said.

Russian president said that “it is impossible to make almost 90 percent of the voters to come for the referendum."

I notice that there is more speeches from the higher-ups these recent days, yet still no statement from Russia on its position on Lugansk and Donetsk People's republics.

Also, this the US was openly urging not only US, but also the European companies to boycott the Economic Forum in St.Petersburg. The first thing that breaks down before a war is international trade, and US has been pushing hard to break trade connections with Russia.
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West’s expansion to the east ruins historic chance at unification – Lavrov
http://rt.com/news/160940-lavrov-security-west-expansion/

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“The European continent, which brought two global military catastrophes in the last century, is not demonstrating an example to the world of peaceful development and broad cooperation,” he said, adding that the situation wasn’t accidental, but rather “a natural result of the developments over the past quarter of a century.”

“Our Western partners rejected a truly historic chance to build a greater Europe in favor of border lines and the habitual logic of expanding the geopolitical space under their control to the East,” Lavrov stressed. “This is de facto a continuation of a policy of containing Russia in a softer wrapping.”

“The operations to change regimes in sovereign states and the foreign-orchestrated ‘color revolutions’ of different brands produce obvious damage to the international stability. The attempts to impose one’s own designs for internal reforms on other peoples, which don’t take into account national characteristics, to ‘export democracy’, impact destructively international relations and multiplies the number of flashpoints on the world map,” he continued.

“Schemes based on advocating one’s exceptionalism, the use of double standards, pursuit of unilateral geopolitical outcomes in crisis situation, are widely used not only in Europe, but also in other regions,” the minister said. “This undermines crisis mediation efforts.”

 “After the forced ouster of the president with the help of foreign forces, [Ukraine] has practically slid into a civil war,” he said. “A hotspot if tension has been artificially created in the heart of Europe. This has negatively affected global security.”  

Lavrov is usually soft-spoken. This is some of his more strong-worded statements.



Russia will not be sending observers to the (p)residential elections in Ukraine:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/377655
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A step in the right direction:

Ukraine dangerously interfering with press freedom – Human Rights Watch
http://rt.com/news/160728-ukraine-journalists-detentions-hwr/

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Human Rights Watch (HRW) says Ukraine’s military and security services are “dangerously interfering with press freedom” by detaining journalists working with Russian news agencies and denying others entry into the country.

The New-York-based advocacy group called on Ukrainian authorities to “immediately” explain the recent detention of three journalists, one of whom has since been released.
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"Right sector" was officially registered as political party in Ukraine today. And don't say you haven't been warned. BTW... I am not against Right Sector contesting elections peacefully.... I have problems only when they shoot down unarmed civilians.  Angry
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Isn't this the opposite as the split of Yugoslavia was covered and especially news about Serbia ? The coverage you say started then when the Serbians started responding and showing them in a bad light while now it's the Ukraine pro western troops who are expecting to retaliate.If this is a small chess game I would live the country if something bigger comes.

No, it's not. See Bryant's comment above.

I think I need to revise that earlier comment. From what 247crypto posted on another thread, the attack was performed by well-trained mercenaries (according the the commander of attacked 51s division and the surviving soldiers), in a punitive operation to kill the soldiers who earlier refused to attack civilians.
The picture is far more complicated.

Still, this attack was used by the Western media as if it was performed by the resistance.
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Surprising.... the Western media is full of articles on Ukraine, as the Kiev junta is facing mounting casualty numbers. Well.. if I remember right, they were very silent when Right Sector was massacring innocent people.

Intense Fighting Flares in Eastern Ukraine

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303749904579577520531185010?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303749904579577520531185010.html

I have a habit of checking what the author user has posted before so:

http://topics.wsj.com/person/A/biography/7959

http://topics.wsj.com/person/A/biography/1570

While the guy is presenting some general news it's not the same about Olga. She mainly writes pessimistic news about russia or at least the titles look like that.
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