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Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 30. (Read 227070 times)

legendary
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June 01, 2014, 11:27:24 AM
Two jokes, which are well-grounded in reality:

"Petro Poroshenko vows to rebuild Ukrainian economy that got destroyed during the previous president's reign, when Petro Poroshenko was the Minister of Economic Development and Trade."

"One old Cossack once said: if someone sends Ukrainians to fight with Russians, both should stand at the border, back to back, and shoot at that 'someone' who sent them to fight."
legendary
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June 01, 2014, 08:47:05 AM
Right Sector Neo-Nazis harassing people. Fascists beat up and hunt people in the Ukrainian city of Dniepopetrovsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJfYXPIgo9A

And an article about the future of Petro Poroshenko, and the rest of the Kiev junta.

Ukraine’s Vietnam

http://my.firedoglake.com/fairleft/2014/06/01/ukraines-vietnam/

newbie
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June 01, 2014, 08:43:17 AM
I'm Nigel Farage, also known as Nigel Farage,
Nigel Farage, so stap back Nicky Minaj!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVUHYfjyVYI
legendary
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June 01, 2014, 08:24:02 AM
And Hungary has much more to gain in the Eurasian trade union - they will get a market, so they can again start producing and fighting that pesky unemployment.

Hungary is a relatively well-off nation, with a hard-working population. And a large part of the general population is not happy about the crazy policies of the EU (such as open borders, very high tax rates, and climate policies).
legendary
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June 01, 2014, 08:14:54 AM
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Unsurprisingly too, Vona has stated he wants Hungary to leave the EU and join a Eurasian union instead.

Bulgaria’s far right Ataka party is also a friend to Moscow, and documents revealed on Wikileaks laid the relationship bare. Party leader Volen Siderov called for Russia’s accession to the EU, and for the Government to “recognise the results from the referendum for Crimea’s joining to the Russian Federation.”

It is not just an Eastern European problem, however.

So, it's a "problem" now, eh?

I think someone forgets that at least Bulgaria, Serbia and Russia are very close culturally, historically and linguistically. Reading Bulgarian is almost like reading old-Russian - they preserved the original Slavic language much better. And someone is hell bent on antagonising natural allies.

And Hungary has much more to gain in the Eurasian trade union - they will get a market, so they can again start producing and fighting that pesky unemployment.
legendary
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June 01, 2014, 07:06:12 AM
Kids evacuated from Slavyansk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-9zj1UPqjE

Meanwhile, a lot of support for Putin in the new European Parliament.  Grin

Nigel Farage is another of Moscow’s darlings as Putin backs Right

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/479532/Nigel-Farage-is-another-of-Moscow-s-darlings-as-Putin-backs-Right
hero member
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June 01, 2014, 06:11:21 AM
Bankers know how to create wealth. If they take over the country and change it to make it create wealth, that would be a good thing for everyone living there (except for those living off of other's work and wealth).

Yes. Bankers know how to create wealth. They take away money from hard working people and give it to the politicians.

No, taxes take away money from hard working people. Bankers just take money from inefficient and wasteful parts of the market, and invest it where it can do some good.

By the way, are you on this forum mainly for things like Freicoin instead of Bitcoin? Or for the Resource Based Economy / Venus Project stuff? Or are you just getting paid to continue the Russian propaganda? You seem to be rather socialist and anti capitalist in the things you espouse, and now even more so with your rather extreme support of Russia and their policies.

I've ignored your crazy historical views on Ukraine and everything that flows out of those views for a while now
He's the only talking sense. The rest of you guys are just reposting Russian propaganda. Even the links with Western-sounding names have Russian authors.

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, but I cannot ignore this one:

Bankers = good?

And here I thought that banks are private organizations which lobby the hell out of every politician in every country to reduce regulation and thereby take money from inefficient and wasteful parts of the market and put it into their own pockets...
Everyone lobbies everyone else. That's the nature of the game.

I cannot ignore this one:

Bankers = inherently bad?

Therefore people managing and dealing with money are bad? And money itself is evil? You're welcome to share your Venus Project views with us, but please explain how the "moneyless world" alternative will actually work. Step by step, so that the instructions could be programmed into a giant computer like the one that will be running their world-saving crypto-communist paradise. Surely, you are against slavery? You want initiatives like the Venus Project to succeed, right. So tell us how it works.
legendary
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June 01, 2014, 12:01:13 AM
What will happen to the UPL?

The Uncertain Future of the Ukrainian Premier League

http://futbolgrad.com/the-uncertain-future-of-the-ukrainian-premier-league
legendary
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Investigation. Collection of materials against the Kiev coup persons, to be presented at a war tribunal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqI38lrtHe0

Police archives info on the criminal past of the current leaders of Ukraine.
legendary
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The latest tweet from Foreign Affairs Committee, U.S. House of Representatives, House Committee on Foreign Affairs:

https://twitter.com/HFACDemocrats/status/472784195321098240

Selling amphibious warships to Russia would be slap in the face to Ukraine & other NATO Allies.

So officially, Ukraine is a NATO ally now.  Grin
legendary
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Here's a tribute to a child murdered and burned alive by neo-Nazis from Right Sector in Odessa.

That act of atrocity will not be forgotten. Neither in Novorossia, nor in Russia, and it does not matter how silent the West is about it.



A very well-written analysis of the current state of affairs:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.no/2014/05/ukraine-sitrep-may-29th-1554-utczulu.html

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Is it that the political leaders and the junta are simply stupid or completely miss-informed?

No, it's not that simple.  For one thing, to speak of a "junta's strategy" or "Poroshenko's strategy" is plain wrong as this accepts they myth that that is an independent government in the Ukraine.  There is none.  Truly, all the decisions are taken by Uncle Sam and his representatives in Kiev and the so-called authorities are just the USA's collaborators who simply take orders form their boss.  And for all their sins, the folks in DC are neither stupid not poorly informed.  So what is their strategy in this frankly weird civil war?

Ideally, the first objective of the AngloZionists would be to trigger a Russian military intervention in protection of Novorossiia. That would re-create the kind of Cold War tensions these folks are so nostalgic for.  It would give a justification for the existence of NATO and, if played well, it could even result in NATO and Russian forces looking at each other across the Dniepr river.  Not only would such a situation be a dream come true for the US military-industrial complex, it would make it possible for the USA to achieve one of its most important strategic objective: to keep Europe colonized and to prevent any chance of its integration with the East.  Far from being stupid, this strategy is nothing short of brilliant as it gives Putin only two choices: if Russia does not intervene Putin will look weak, indecisive, or even like a traitor to the Russian people, but if Russia does intervene, then Putin will be called the "New Hitler" or "New Stalin", a crazed Russian nationalist hell-bent on re-building the Soviet Union and crushing the freedom-loving Europeans under his tanks.  Are these cliches?  Yes, of course, but they will be used.  So for Putin its "damned if you do, and damned if you don't".

Second option: to wear down the NDF to the point where they will eventually surrender.  Not very likely, but in theory possible.  Should that happen, this could be presented as a double victory for Poroshenko: he crushed the "terrorists" and he "deterred the Russian Bear".  Again, this is a lot of whishful thinking, but in theory the US might see that as a unlikely but possible outcome.

Option three: the old US strategy of "what I cannot have, I burn down".  Basically, the strategy here is to destroy and damage as much of Novorossiia as possible, making a recovery as long and costly as possible.  This is also a lesson to all those who dare defy the Empire: you disobey and we will make you pay.

And the comments to that article are very good as well.
legendary
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Here's a tribute to a child murdered and burned alive by neo-Nazis from Right Sector in Odessa.

legendary
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Talk about shooting yourself in the foot:
Ukraine introduced embargo on selling weapons or any military-related produce and technologies to Russia, not event that what was already paid for:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1229535?utm_medium=rss20

Well, those Ukrainian military-oriented factories have one buyer: Russia.  Roll Eyes



In the meantime, US increases the scale of its military help to Ukraine:
http://www.forbes.ru/news/258889-ssha-udvoili-finansirovanie-ukrainskikh-voennykh
The US is targeting especially border patrol forces.

Some people are making fun of it: Americans double the help, as in 0x2=0 Smiley
Others wonder if it includes special personnel for salvaging donor organs from the wounded, as it was the case in Yugoslavia.



And some entertaining remarks from Psaki:
Psaki threatens to send 6th fleet to the coasts of Belarus, if it sends troops to Ukraine...okay
https://twitter.com/oliviernfehr/status/470903826934157312
 Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Shocked Shocked Tongue Grin Grin Grin

legendary
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Extremely important development

In the city of Nikolaev, irate local people set fire to the city branch of "Privatbank", which is owned by pro-Kiev billionaire oligarch Igor Kolomoyskyi.



legendary
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Back to burning: Maidan activists set tires on fire to protest eviction (VIDEO)
http://rt.com/news/162748-kiev-maidan-tires-burning/

In Russian:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/378962

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Nauseous black smoke from burning tires is back in Central Kiev. A group of Maidan activists set them on fire in a gesture of protest against an order from Kiev’s elected Mayor Vladimir Klitshchko’s to remove the barricades.


 Grin Grin Shocked Roll Eyes Shocked Grin Grin

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“The key goal of the Maidan – ousting the dictator – has been reached, so the barricades should be dismantled,” he said.

Similar statements came from the elected president, Petro Poroshenko.

“No Maidans would affect the president, no matter how much anyone would want it. Otherwise Maidan would no longer be the will of the people and would turn into a common spin technique. I know how to deal with such techniques,” he said.

One legitimately elected "dictator" out, another less legitimately elected (only ~14% of total population votes) dictator in. Both are oligarchs. And the EU deal is still not signed.  Tongue

People comments are entertaining to read. Along the lines of: "Now that the US put their pet-president in place, the guys on Maidan better pack up and leave or else they'll be proclaimed separatists and dealt accordingly with bullets. Welcome to the Western democracy."

Or: "They think that this time they'll also be facing unarmed policemen, like when Yanukovich was in the office."
legendary
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Reading through Aleksander Kots posts from the last 24 hours, it looks like the Ukrainian SBU tried to deport him. He got a category D prohibition. No charges were given - he's just not welcome in the country.

Ukraine is getting dangerous not only for the Russian journalists, but also for other foreigners as well. Remember that Andy Rochelli was killed by the Kiev junta for taking the picture of children hiding in the basements (in Slavyansk). The Kiev junta has drawn a thin line for the journalists. There are some dos and don'ts. If you don't obey them, then they will kill you.
legendary
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It's been a while since I checked the tweets of the Russian wartime journalists from KP:
https://twitter.com/kp_steshin
https://twitter.com/sashakots

Reading through Aleksander Kots posts from the last 24 hours, it looks like the Ukrainian SBU tried to deport him. He got a category D prohibition. No charges were given - he's just not welcome in the country.

Interestingly, the border patrol forces that detained him, were friendly, asked what was really happening in Donbass, didn't have any kind words for the Kiev powers, but when asked why they won't let him slip through, they said that with category D, no one would be willing to look the other way, even for a bribe.

One of the officers took him to the railway station cafe and treated him to coffee, as Aleksander didn't have any hryvna on him. The officer told that they often come to that cafe to watch Russian news on a telly there from Rossia24 channel.

Finally before he got sent on his merry way to Belgorod, OSCE intervened, and he and severalother journalists were released and could continue on their way. One of the last tweets is that he is in Donetsk and reporting from "our Palestine - South-Eastern Ukraine".



Klichko is going to be the mayor of Kiev with 56.55% votes (so far):
http://www.interfax.ru/world/378948



While another boxer - world champion in kick-boxing, Nikolaj Leonov, is identified among the 50 resistance fighters, killed on the 26th of May battle for Donetsk airport:
http://ria.ru/world/20140531/1010108462.html
legendary
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There is a good piece from Max Keiser on IMF-induced slavery.

The IMF Flag Reads: ECONOMIC SLAVERY

http://www.maxkeiser.com/2010/04/the-imf-flag-reads-economic-slavery
sr. member
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I've ignored your crazy historical views on Ukraine and everything that flows out of those views for a while now, but I cannot ignore this one:

Bankers = good?

And here I thought that banks are private organizations which lobby the hell out of every politician in every country to reduce regulation and thereby take money from inefficient and wasteful parts of the market and put it into their own pockets...

Bankers enslave the hard working population. And that is why it is so depressing to watch the Ukrainian public descending in to slavery forced upon them by the CIA and the IMF.

I'm not certain that the CIA is in on this but otherwise I agree with you about the IMF.

Of course, I could be wrong:

The Fugs:

"CIA Man":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQLn1QHtpZM
legendary
Activity: 3752
Merit: 1217
I've ignored your crazy historical views on Ukraine and everything that flows out of those views for a while now, but I cannot ignore this one:

Bankers = good?

And here I thought that banks are private organizations which lobby the hell out of every politician in every country to reduce regulation and thereby take money from inefficient and wasteful parts of the market and put it into their own pockets...

Bankers enslave the hard working population. And that is why it is so depressing to watch the Ukrainian public descending in to slavery forced upon them by the CIA and the IMF.
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