Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 31. (Read 227070 times)

I've ignored your crazy historical views on Ukraine and everything that flows out of those views for a while now, but I cannot ignore this one:

Bankers = good?

And here I thought that banks are private organizations which lobby the hell out of every politician in every country to reduce regulation and thereby take money from inefficient and wasteful parts of the market and put it into their own pockets...

No, taxes take away money from hard working people. Bankers just take money from inefficient and wasteful parts of the market, and invest it where it can do some good.

By the way, are you on this forum mainly for things like Freicoin instead of Bitcoin? Or for the Resource Based Economy / Venus Project stuff? Or are you just getting paid to continue the Russian propaganda? You seem to be rather socialist and anti capitalist in the things you espouse, and now even more so with your rather extreme support of Russia and their policies.

Yes. Bankers know how to create wealth. They take away money from hard working people and give it to the politicians. That is how they make money. It will be good for the politicians and bankers, and will be bad for anyone else.

Bankers know how to create wealth. If they take over the country and change it to make it create wealth, that would be a good thing for everyone living there (except for those living off of other's work and wealth).

If these IMF loans have the same conditions as they usually do, this may be a HUGE positive for Ukraine. Specifically, IMF requires things like major cuts in government spending, reduction in social programs, getting rid of tarrifs and restrictions on imports, privatizing public industries, opening up to foreign investment, restrictions on inflating national currencies, etc. Very pro free market types of things (that bitcoiners support). Ukraine got to where it is in part because it never fully let go of the soviet style socialist economy. Hopefully this will finally force them to change and improve.
For a good example of what IMF conditions do, check out the results of IMF loans and conditions in Iceland. Not only has their economy recovered enormously, they were even immune to the post 2008 aftershocks that affected, and continue to affect, the rest of Europe.

All wars are bankers wars. IMF loans will hand Ukraine over to private banks.

Paul Craig Roberts: IMF loans will hand Ukraine over to private banks

http://rt.com/shows/boom-bust/ukraine-us-private-banks-005/

Russian involvement is not the troops on Russian side of the border. It's the troops in Crimea, the troops in Ukraine, and the massive propaganda and chaos campaigns going on in eastern Ukraine. That pulling back the troops is a bullshit distraction compared to the damage they have already done and are continuing to do. It's like if I were to stab you with a knife, but then claim that I was no longer involved because I pulled out the knife.

Why would they be surprised? Russia invaded and annexed a huge part of their country, spread massive amounts of propaganda to scare Eastern Ukrainians about Ukraine becoming fascist, is likely entirely responsible for starting the civil war in that part of the country, has sent multiple spies, instigators, and saboteurs into Ukraine, was caught for paying people to start chaos, and even tried to sabotage the elections by infecting the election systems with a virus that would have made the Right Sector party win, which Russian propaganda has been saying had huge support in the country, despite them only having less than 2% support. Ukraine blames Russia for the entire situation happening now (don't forget, this isn't the first time Ukraine had a revolution that kicked out their ruling party, but it's the first time it resulted in such a war). Why would they trust Russia with anything else?

What is this "self-defense" force, which by the way is a tiny percent of the overall population in that region, fighting for? Do they want to force everyone in the region to join Russia, whether the people living there want to or not? Are they fighting to establish an independent country? Do they not like police and want to do whatever they want? Do they just not like Ukrainian government (in which case, why didn't they vote to show they wanted someone else?)

Are you a left-wing socialist/communist?

If yes, I have some really bad news for you that involves Bitcoin...

This was told to me by the people who were protesting on Maidan, when they told me why they were protesting, when I actually talked to them. Not some biased media.


That would not have worked, since doing that would have instantly lost all support for him in the whole country. Dictators can only stay in power if enough people support or are afraid of them. Don't forget, everyone protesting on Maidan was made to be criminals with a sentence of many years in prison if they got arrested. But the people showed that they were not afraid by not leaving. So wannabe dictator realized he did not have as much power as he hoped.


He did give Berkut an order to use batons. There were many clashes that involved baton uses, except the protesters fought back. Why do you think the burning tire barricades were set up in the first place? It was to keep Berkut with batons away. As I said, you're morons. That, or worse, you are trying to rewrite history and spread lies and propaganda on purpose.


Actually, it's:
1. Russia attacks and invades Ukraine on multiple occasions throughout history.
2. Russia, despite being established by Mongols and the Golden Horde, lies by rewriting history to make it seem as if Ukraine, which had nothing to do with Russia, was always a part of Russia.
3. Russia invades Ukraine as it established the Soviet Union, and subjects Ukraine to mass pogroms, starvation, and economic devastation.
4. Soviet Russians assassinate my great-grandparents for being enemies of the state (royals), despite them not having any actual power over anyone.
5. Soviet Russians pursue by grandparents, and parents, by putting them on KGB blacklists, spying on them, tapping their phones, and on a few occasions attempting to arrest them and send them to gulags in Siberia or fatal cleanup duty in Chernobyl, with them surviving only by running and hiding when they can.
6. Russian politicians are still ex-KGB types that are pro communist, and seem to want to bring back "the glory days of the Soviet empire." Except now they are even joined by the very powerful Orthodox Church, so not only is their government trying to get back to bring a communist dictatorship, they are trying to be extremely religiously "moral" too, hoping to make even more speech and ideas illegal.

So, sorry if I have no love or trust for the Russian government after it has been fucking with Ukraine and my personal family history for over a century, and seems to want to continue to do that to other people.

Still complaining about the Russian involvement? NATO reports that more than two-thirds of Russia’s troops have now pulled back from the Ukrainian border zone. 

Russia has withdrawn most troops from Ukraine border, Hagel says

http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-has-withdrawn-most-troops-from-ukraine-border-hagel-says/2014/05/29/314b4962-e7a6-11e3-afc6-a1dd9407abcf_story.html

Moscow Surprised by Kiev’s Move to Reject Russian Humanitarian Aid
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140530/190245934/Moscow-Surprised-by-Kievs-Move-to-Reject-Russian-Humanitarian.html

Ukrainian National guard announces conscription into special force battalions:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/05/29/n_6192881.shtml

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Ukraine got 750 million dollars from IMF payable back in 16 years:
http://www.aif.ru/money/economy/1179595

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People of Aachen called Yatsenjuk "the partner of fascists" and terrorist, when protesting during his visit to Germany today:
http://kompravda.eu/online/news/1748868/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0KzR7G3e-Y

Umm. Unsuitable landing conditions. Airport, not equipped for zero-visibility landing. Aiplane instruments calibrated to wrong 0-altitude level. Pilot under pressure to land as pilot's colleague was grounded before when he refused to land under difficult conditions in Georgia. A mysterious person in the cockpit.

Take your pick for the "fault". In aviation, it's usually a combination of faults that kills.

Regardless, it's a low tactic to make insinuations about a prime minister having "Nazi genes", or even commenting at all about family history unless it's somehow relevant. Such bad journalism betrays the reader's trust.

You mean the plane that got shot down, exploded, and hit a tree, while attempting to land in an artificial fog because the other Kaczyński ordered the pilot to hurry up so he wouldn't be late for the ceremony?

Don't you see? It was at least 5 different special forces -- possibly including aliens! -- all acting independently to get rid of those xenophobic PiS-heads.

I would rather say :

"Tusk was born in Gdańsk. Tusk's father, also named Donald Tusk (1930–1972), was a carpenter. Donald Tusk's mother, Ewa Tusk (1934–2009),[2] was a nurse. His uncle, Bronisław Tusk (1935–2000), was a sculptor from Gdańsk. His grandfather Józef Tusk (1907–1987) was a railway official who was imprisoned at the Neuengamme concentration camp; later, as a former citizen of the Free City of Danzig, he was compulsorily drafted by German Nazi authorities into the Wehrmacht[3] on 2 August 1944."


Also I would love to see the opinion of another polish official , like Jarosław Kaczyński who lost his brother in a mysterious accident a few years ago Smolensk , which was "obviously" not the fault of... anybody.

Which facts do you disagree with?
That Yanukovych was democratically elected?
That he tried to gain dictatorial powers by illegally changing the constitution?

87 pages... hundreds of posts from you and just a couple of other people. Surely you have enough "free time" on your hands (which you're not being paid for ) to answer the original question?

Any primitive caveman society can use a police force to brutally disperse crowds. As bad as Yanukovych might have been, your own comment shows that even under his leadership the Ukrainians had a more "advanced" attitude than your "just beat the nationalists with batons" Stalinism.

I have a question for you: when your computer breaks, do you smash it with a hammer? Who knows, if you hit the right part at just the right angle, you could repair it in under 5 seconds!

There's more to that article!


Natural resources (shale gas) in Ukraine:

More proof for the NATO involvement:

Polish Death Squads Fighting in Ukraine. CIA Covert Operation?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/polish-death-squads-fighting-in-ukraine-cia-covert-operation/5384210

#3 of #4 person in the power chain after President and Prime Minister, depending whether you place the Defence Minister as #3 of #5. Speaker of the Parliament is #6.

In the Government he is at level #2:
http://government.ru/gov/

Here are his responsibilities:
http://government.ru/gov/responsibilities/#170

As for the bomber quote... Well, it was just a heated tweet...