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legendary
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Recently seeing some sane articles in the Guardian. I am quite surprised.

In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger

(John Pilger is one of the all-time great journalists who was never afraid to speak truth to power. He was there in Central America when the US sent in its covert ops to organize the mass murders of untold numbers of innocent peasants. He's seen firsthand the death, destruction and mayhem that are part and parcel of the US's dirty wars)
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The figures just don't add up. The total GDP for entire Ukraine is around $170 billion. So around 60% of that was from Crimea?

The GDP figure of $170 billion might be the official figure, i.e not including the underground economy. In nations such as Ukraine, most of the economy remains hidden.
legendary
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More positive moves from Putin:

Russia to create Special Economic Zone in Crimea

http://world.einnews.com/article/204738679/x5nlWrUAmvDl2XXn

And meanwhile, the Ukrainians are still whining over the territory.

Ukraine interim leader says loss of Crimea cost $100bn

http://live.aljazeera.com/Event/Ukraine_liveblog/115930090

The figures just don't add up. The total GDP for entire Ukraine is around $170 billion. So around 60% of that was from Crimea?
legendary
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USA started to search for the "sanctioned" oligarchs' and companies' assets so as to freeze them:
http://www.banki.ru/news/lenta/?id=6595331&r1=rss&r2=rambler.news

One of the reader comments is precious:

"Thank you, USA, for helping Russian law enforcements in their fight with corruption. Thank you very much!"

 Grin

There are actually quite a lot of comments reading along the same lines.
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Are they nuts?

Ukraine ready to resume water supply to Crimea on its own terms

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/731557

What sort of silly excuse? Seriously. They cut off the drinking water supply because a bill for $146,500 was not paid? Then what should the Gazprom do to them, for not paying the $3 billion gas bill?


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April 26, 2014, Ukraine shut the North-Crimean canal, by which Crimea receives 85% of the freshwater it needs


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The poor technical condition of the canal reduced the standard throughput of water to just 16 cubic meters by April 26, 2014, when the Ukrainian side blocked the water flow to avenge for Crimea’s reunification with Russia.

So it was 16 mc before the block or after because if it's the first case the numbers sure don't match up.
legendary
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Are they nuts?

Ukraine ready to resume water supply to Crimea on its own terms

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/731557

What sort of silly excuse? Seriously. They cut off the drinking water supply because a bill for $146,500 was not paid? Then what should the Gazprom do to them, for not paying the $3 billion gas bill?
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On that note:
Dragging Ukraine into NATO negative for European security - Lavrov
http://rt.com/news/158908-lavrov-russia-ukraine-nato/

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“The seeds for the current crisis were sown in 2008 in April during the NATO summit in Bucharest, when NATO leaders stated in a declaration that Georgia and Ukraine would be in NATO,” the senior Russian diplomat told Bloomberg in an interview.

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“The real aim of the United States is not to let Europeans to go on their own, not to let NATO lose the purpose of its existence and to keep Europe on a short leash,” Lavrov said.

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“In the east of Ukraine there is a real war with heavy weapons shot. If this is something conducive to free and fair elections, then I don’t understand something in freedom and fairness,” he commented.

Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians. I believe it is as close to a civil war as it can get,” Lavrov explained, referring to Kiev’s military operation being conducted in the Donetsk Region.
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“If the West for the sake of revenge is ready to sacrifice its reputation as a reliable partner for the entire world economy and for the entire world financial system, if the United States is prepared to sacrifice its reputation as the holder of the key reserve currency, then it’s up to them to decide,” he said.

Also, Lavrov called the question of Donetsk and Lugansk joining Russia for "hypothetical". Wonder what he meant by that..? Smiley
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/14/lavrov/


If I would have to comment on his : "Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians." statement based on the news from both sides , I would say it more like there are only Russians and Westerns killing each other there Smiley.
legendary
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On that note:
Dragging Ukraine into NATO negative for European security - Lavrov
http://rt.com/news/158908-lavrov-russia-ukraine-nato/

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“The seeds for the current crisis were sown in 2008 in April during the NATO summit in Bucharest, when NATO leaders stated in a declaration that Georgia and Ukraine would be in NATO,” the senior Russian diplomat told Bloomberg in an interview.

...

“The real aim of the United States is not to let Europeans to go on their own, not to let NATO lose the purpose of its existence and to keep Europe on a short leash,” Lavrov said.

...

“In the east of Ukraine there is a real war with heavy weapons shot. If this is something conducive to free and fair elections, then I don’t understand something in freedom and fairness,” he commented.

“Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians. I believe it is as close to a civil war as it can get,” Lavrov explained, referring to Kiev’s military operation being conducted in the Donetsk Region.
...

“If the West for the sake of revenge is ready to sacrifice its reputation as a reliable partner for the entire world economy and for the entire world financial system, if the United States is prepared to sacrifice its reputation as the holder of the key reserve currency, then it’s up to them to decide,” he said.

Also, Lavrov called the question of Donetsk and Lugansk joining Russia for "hypothetical". Wonder what he meant by that..? Smiley
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/14/lavrov/
legendary
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This is what I've got from the Wikileaks twitter account:

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html

Secret cable shows Russia warned the US that NATO enlargement could  split Ukraine in two, creating civil war.
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Every year the American historian William Blum publishes his "updated summary of the record of US foreign policy" which shows that, since 1945, the US has tried to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democratically elected; grossly interfered in elections in 30 countries; bombed the civilian populations of 30 countries; used chemical and biological weapons; and attempted to assassinate foreign leaders.

In many cases Britain has been a collaborator.
This was... unexpected.
I wonder how many times the US will surprise me again.
legendary
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Hear! Hear!

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Every year the American historian William Blum publishes his "updated summary of the record of US foreign policy" which shows that, since 1945, the US has tried to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democratically elected; grossly interfered in elections in 30 countries; bombed the civilian populations of 30 countries; used chemical and biological weapons; and attempted to assassinate foreign leaders.

In many cases Britain has been a collaborator.
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Ukraine communist leader: Kiev labeled 7 mn people 'terrorists,' slaughtered civilians
http://rt.com/news/158744-ukraine-terrorists-civilians-killed/

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The leader of Ukraine’s Communist Party says the Kiev regime killed peaceful civilians in the country's southeast, and is spreading lies about the real situation. The Ukrainian parliament is now seeking to expel communists and ban their activity.

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“You declared seven million people living in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions as 'terrorists.' They went out yesterday [to vote in the referendum], stood in lines since 6 a.m. to vote against Kiev rule, against this regime, against your policy,” he said.

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“At the Victory Day celebration, he says that Hitler did the right thing when he invaded our country to ‘liberate’ the people of Ukraine from communists. This was said by a person who is either an idiot or a thug,” Simonenko said.

Odarchenko responded by saying he will sue Simonenko.

“I am suing you for a bald-faced lie, for slander, for cowardly and shameful propaganda,” Odarchenko told the Communist Party leader.

Though Odarchenko says Simonenko's accusations are a lie, the moment when he said the statement about Hitler was caught on video.

This video needs to be seen, just to get a feeling of the people's reaction. Most were shouting their protest. One brave soule came forward to end this monstrosity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A05s6GrztbQ

One important reader comment to that video:

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nestatnik 14.05.2014 05:17

The woman with the child demonstrated, however unconsciously, the difference between Communism and Fascism.

She went after the message.
Fascists go after the messenger.


Very important to note.
legendary
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I find that USA and USSR are like twin brothers. Slightly different ideology (liberalism vs. state capitalism), but identical structure and methods. Also the same destruction process is working.


Wait what the fuck? No dude, they are not even remotely similar in any way at all.
There is only one major difference between USA and USSR. Constitution of USA doesn't provide a right to secede, while USSR constitution provided a possibility of such procedure. This difference makes a peaceful dissolution almost impossible.
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This is really funny:

Ukraine still fielding 600 peacekeepers in Congo, Liberia, Kosovo including helicopter pilots and special troops. 250 fresh replacements about to ship out.

"Peacekeepers" my ass!
legendary
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This is really funny:

Ukraine still fielding 600 peacekeepers in Congo, Liberia, Kosovo including helicopter pilots and special troops. 250 fresh replacements about to ship out.
legendary
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Turchinov wants to prohibit Communist Party of Ukraine:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/13/kpu/

The KPU is a perfectly legal entity, getting the support of 10%+ of the population in most of the elections. They are not a bunch of violent thugs unlike the Right Sector. Another evidence that Turchynov and his slave master Tymoshenko doesn't believe in democracy.
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