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legendary
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April 15, 2014, 12:38:23 AM

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To the casual consumer of McMedia happy meals, the Ukrainian crisis is a consequence of Russia’s yearning for empire lost, a Nazi-style Anschluss that began with Crimea and will end, judging by the big-font hysteria, somewhere near Alaska.

For the more sober-minded observer, however, whose worldview has not been vandalized by misguided Russophobic inclinations, the reality of the situation is a bit more complicated.

Some of the US brands, such as McDonalds are quite popular in Russia. Russian nationalists should engage in a non-violent campaign aimed at the total boycott of such brands.
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 04:14:31 PM
Land for a military base - see above. (The gold, they've already taken.)

Op-Edge on RT, another thoughtful piece:

Ukraine’s great unraveling, brought to you by corporate America
http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-us-kiev-usaid-380/

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To the casual consumer of McMedia happy meals, the Ukrainian crisis is a consequence of Russia’s yearning for empire lost, a Nazi-style Anschluss that began with Crimea and will end, judging by the big-font hysteria, somewhere near Alaska.

For the more sober-minded observer, however, whose worldview has not been vandalized by misguided Russophobic inclinations, the reality of the situation is a bit more complicated.
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 04:01:40 PM
François Hollande and his partner Obama discussed some hardcore and progressive actions that can be applied against Russia because they don't like how the situation in Ukraine pans out:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/14/n_6082953.shtml

Why is even Бapaк Oбaмa getting involved? there is nothing in Ukraine that he can take.. i mean help with.
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 04:01:28 PM
BREAKING NEWS
Putin to Obama: Use your influence to prevent bloodshed in Ukraine

http://rt.com/news/putin-obama-ukraine-crisis-484/

Mr. Obama, now's your chance to atone for that peace prize.

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Putin is doing the right thing. After all these years of dealing with and confronting the West on different issues, I don't think he has any illusions whatsoever of who he's dealing with. You give the other guy enough rope to hang himself. Obama will either shock the world by doing an about face and pushing for a humanitarian solution (yeah right), or he'll plunge ahead predictably and recklessly, exposed to the world.

And this can be considered as the US response:
US considers offering military help to Ukraine – Kerry advisor
http://rt.com/usa/shannon-state-arm-ukraine-436/

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Danno 14.04.2014 19:00

Looks like Kosovo all over again. Arm Right Sector, help them fight. Send NATO puppets to protect the region. Start the genocide on russian orthodox. US needs to update its books.
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legendary
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April 14, 2014, 02:03:48 PM
François Hollande and his partner Obama discussed some hardcore and progressive actions that can be applied against Russia because they don't like how the situation in Ukraine pans out:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/14/n_6082953.shtml
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 01:44:19 PM

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81-%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D1%8C%D1%8F

Zaporozhje joins in the protests. 300 defenders (police) from Zaporozhje held a defensive ring for 8 hours and didn't surrender to the Kiev-insurgents..
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legendary
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April 14, 2014, 01:18:52 PM
In the light of the latest CIA admissions and the US military presence in Ukraine, EU decided to... expand its list of sanctions against Russia.
http://ria.ru/economy/20140414/1003907184.html
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 01:00:28 PM
hdbuck

His program and rhetoric were extremely focused on german nationalism right from the beginning. He claimed that jews stole everything from german people, stole everything including socialism. That's why he was in extreme opposition to socialists and social-democrats even before NSDAP was formed. He described marxism as stolen and twisted ideology, which was created by jews in order to to himilate a german people.

He got the power using anti-jews rhetoric, that's how he got seats in the parliament. Then he started from imprisoning and executing communists, socialists, social-democrats, liberals. This process was completed in the beginning of 1933.

Yep, that was an interesting story. Roll Eyes

There is no more freedom and people loving ideology, in comparison with socialism or communism. That's the reason why these ideologies are frequently being used as a veil by scums, to achieve some trust. But it's not an ideology fault. By the way, liberalism is frequently used as a veil too... Remember french revolution, so many talented people died...
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 12:55:05 PM
White House confirms CIA director visited Ukraine over weekend
http://rt.com/usa/white-house-confirms-cia-ukraine-448/

First they deny it, and then, when cornered... they twist.

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We don't normally comment on the CIA director's travel but given the extraordinary circumstances in this case and the false claims being leveled by the Russians at the CIA we can confirm that the director was in Kiev as part of a trip to Europe," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters.

"False claims"? Really? The claims were that CIA was in Kiev, and you are confirming it! So how were they false?

And a good comment:

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Matt 14.04.2014 17:50

If the CIA went there to quell the illegitimate coup government's blood lust, as O (liar in chief) claims, and the junta does the opposite, then does it not stand to reason that the US should part ways with coup government. LOL
The only question is the nature of the false flag attack they are planning.


alexander bobroff 14.04.2014 17:49

Quite a few posters here denied Brennan visit as RT propaganda because he came under assumed name. That's how covert CIA operates. But his fuckface betrayed him.
 
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 12:50:32 PM
@balthazar hitler's race theory got introduced way after his socialist program. its an ideology, not a program. i can assure you that his program is 100% socialist. afterall, when you look at germany's economical catastrophic situation after WW1, he build all of his party and got democratically elected for his socialist program. not for being a delusional racist.

May be he used Socialism to come to power. Once he got the power, he dumped Socialism and turned (more) to Nationalism.

nationalism does not imply despising other nations/cultures/religion. yes it puts your nation first, but it doesnt imply the others are worthless (ecxept for those hating fucktards that just dont get it). on the other hand, socialism (which i refer to as nothing more than hidden communism) had killed much more people around the globe because they disagreed or were different, to impose their model. (cf China's cultural revolution, Russian goulags, etc etc)

hence, socialsm is the base for nazism. nationalism was just used to fool the people about doing the right thing.
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 12:48:19 PM
Pentagon: Russian fighter jet repeatedly flew over US destroyer in Black Sea
http://rt.com/news/pentagon-destroyer-russian-jet-428/

Scared, are we?  Grin


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Jaromir Hanus 14.04.2014 17:44

They come near Russians borders with their destroyers and then call Russians unprofessional and provocative when they send a reconnaissance plane over there? Colonel Steve Warren really needs a fist in his face. Russians should tow all the NATO non-Black Sea ships that stay there for over 21 days out of there, or just make an artificial reef of them.
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 12:26:04 PM
@balthazar hitler's race theory got introduced way after his socialist program. its an ideology, not a program. i can assure you that his program is 100% socialist. afterall, when you look at germany's economical catastrophic situation after WW1, he build all of his party and got democratically elected for his socialist program. not for being a delusional racist.

May be he used Socialism to come to power. Once he got the power, he dumped Socialism and turned (more) to Nationalism.
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 12:19:11 PM
i know Grin
but i fear FN is not the solution too. but at some point i guess the only question is: whats worst?

In democracy, you vote for the least evil of the choices.

well, sarkozy is an evil europeist that will sell our country to banksters and NWO vampires and hollande is an evil incompetent socialist. guess FN is the only one left that actually has some concern regarding my country and its legacy.

@balthazar hitler's race theory got introduced way after his socialist program. its an ideology, not a program. i can assure you that his program is 100% socialist. afterall, when you look at germany's economical catastrophic situation after WW1, he build all of his party and got democratically elected for his socialist program. not for being a delusional racist.

in france, now, socialists are enhancing the hate for romanians, muslims etc... looks like we are going somewhere...  Roll Eyes
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 12:01:00 PM
hdbuck

does national-socialism ring any bell?
According to Hitler's race theory, german race should be placed on the top of the pyramid. Imperfect races (estonians, romanians, lithuanians, ..., ending with jews and asian people) were supposed to be placed on the buttom levels and work for higher levels. This is the basic idea of so-called "national-socialism", and it's is a direct opposition for socialism itself. The term "national-socialism" is an oxymoron.

may i suggest that hitler's party was leftwing socialism before it all got outta control?
Sorry, but you can suggest that Hitler was a martian spy and it will look similar. I can't imagine where you've found this nonsense. Hitler's party always was far-right, it was started as far-right motion from the beginning.

Advice for the future, try to read something about the subject before discussing it. Socialism is inter-nacionalist motion by definition. You can agree or disagree with it, but it doesn't mean that we should mislead people by posting such incredible nonsense.

You have to learn a party program before judging anything. Hitler wasn't the only example of using the name to get some additional points. Just one example for the better understanding, LDPR (Liberal-Democratic Party of Russia) has nothing in common with liberal democracy, they're far-right nationalists. Don't see the headlines, watch the content.

Epilogue.

Speaking of socialism, you have to remind that just as liberalism, the socialist movement has many directions. Some of them are:

  • Marxist socialism;
  • Democratic socialism (variation of marxist theory);
  • Vedic socialism ;
  • Christian socialism;
  • African socialism;
  • Arab Socialism;
  • Agrarian socialism;
  • Ecosocialism;
  • Socialism of the XXI century.

If somebody said that his party has a socialist program, this doesn't mean anything. Maybe it's a marxist party, a typical western social-democratic party with crazy taxes or even christian party, who knows?
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 11:57:13 AM
i know Grin
but i fear FN is not the solution too. but at some point i guess the only question is: whats worst?

In democracy, you vote for the least evil of the choices.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
April 14, 2014, 11:43:08 AM
And you can still live in spain and be a commie Smiley
i am not a commie lol

simply you doge my point that poor(unemployed) ppl in the west cant live without a job also they dont own any assets only liabilities if they dont get a job they are fucked and they dont have any land to grow some potatoes

the old romanian say apply to this "cand stai la bloc tai mata in loc de porc"

The poor(unemployed) ppl in the USA cannot live without a job?
What?
They get an insane amount of Gov aide and that will not change until we have a complete collapse.
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 11:38:25 AM
we got fucked deep by socialists. i hate them  Angry

Sarkozy is no different. Vote for the FN next month.  Grin

i know Grin

but i fear FN is not the solution too. but at some point i guess the only question is: whats worst?
legendary
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April 14, 2014, 11:36:18 AM
we got fucked deep by socialists. i hate them  Angry

Sarkozy is no different. Vote for the FN next month.  Grin
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