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March 18, 2014, 05:19:31 AM
Latest news:

- The President gave a recommendation to the Federal Council to accept a law draft which provisions integration of Crimea as part of Russian Federation. Earlier, yesterday Mr. Putin acknowledged by his decree Crimea as an independent state.

- Russian Parliament, in a show of solidarity, asked President Obama to extend his sanctions on all member of the Russian Parliament. (No need for discrimination Smiley )

- The city of Moscow plans to replace goods previously purchased from the countries of the NATO block with goods from BRICS. (http://finance.rambler.ru/news/economics/143022771.html)

- Crimean car license plates received a new regional letter code from Russian Federation.

Good luck on that.Smiley
In an economical war , there will be only one winner, And that ain't Russia.
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March 18, 2014, 05:08:28 AM
Latest news:

- The President gave a recommendation to the Federal Council to accept a law draft which provisions integration of Crimea as part of Russian Federation. Earlier, yesterday Mr. Putin acknowledged by his decree Crimea as an independent state.

- Russian Parliament, in a show of solidarity, asked President Obama to extend his sanctions on all member of the Russian Parliament. (No need for discrimination Smiley )

- The city of Moscow plans to replace goods previously purchased from the countries of the NATO block with goods from BRICS. (http://finance.rambler.ru/news/economics/143022771.html)

- Crimean car license plates received a new regional letter code from Russian Federation.
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March 18, 2014, 04:15:21 AM
http://www.mauldineconomics.com/ttmygh/crimea-river

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(Marina Lewycka): Public clashes between Ukrainians and Russians in the main square in Sevastopol. Ukrainians protesting at Russian interference; Crimean Russians demanding the return of Sevastopol to Russia, and that parliament recognise Russian as the state language. Ukrainian deputies barred from the government building; a Russian "information centre" opening in Sevastopol. Calls from the Ukrainian ministry of defence for an end to the agreement dividing the Black Sea fleet between the Russian and Ukrainian navies. The move is labelled a political provocation by Russian deputies. The presidium of the Crimean parliament announces a referendum on Crimean independence, and the Russian deputy says that Russia is ready to supervise it. A leader of the Russian Society of Crimea threatens armed mutiny and the establishment of a Russian administration in Sevastopol. A Russian navy chief accuses Ukraine of converting some of his Black Sea fleet, and conducting armed assault on his personnel. He threatens to place the fleet on alert. The conflict escalates into terrorism, arson attacks and murder.

Sound familiar? All this happened in 1993, and it has been happening, in some form or other, since at least the 14th century.
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March 18, 2014, 04:08:44 AM
@Bit_Happy: Have you read any of the posts prior to posting? If not, please do so, as it starts getting tedious to repeat oneself dispelling the Western propaganda.

Some keywords for you, though:
 - Referendum - the best representation of direct democracy
 - Crimea - a region unconstitutionally annexed to Ukraine in 1954, with Russian majority, which always had a very strong reunification movement.
 - Double morale - see Western stance on Kosovo.

@LostDutchman: That was all along the NATO/US/EU plan when they we installing the puppet government in Kiev.  Tongue

@niothor: The irony is that we still continue to call such a "predominant" international language as "lingua franca" Smiley Russia itself had seen a series of must-know languages for any educated person - first Greek, then French, then German, and now English.
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March 18, 2014, 03:31:52 AM
Weren't we all supposed to start learning chinese ? Why bother with english!

Because even the Chinese themselves are learning English.  Grin

It happened before in my country , people we're saying:
in the 50's learn Russian , after that for a while french and english , then german , japanese for a few years, then english and now german is sharing the interest with english again.
And every time people argue that this one will become the ruling language.
60 years passed and ... nothing happened.
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March 18, 2014, 02:53:48 AM
Weren't we all supposed to start learning chinese ? Why bother with english!

Because even the Chinese themselves are learning English.  Grin
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March 18, 2014, 02:48:21 AM
Balthazar u can add that tatar is the second language in russian federation
Crimea will have three official languages: Russian, Ukrainian, Tatar

Be a lot easier if they just switched to English but doing so would put a lot of translatators out of business.

My $.02.

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Weren't we all supposed to start learning chinese ? Why bother with english!
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March 18, 2014, 02:29:31 AM
Balthazar u can add that tatar is the second language in russian federation
Crimea will have three official languages: Russian, Ukrainian, Tatar

Be a lot easier if they just switched to English but doing so would put a lot of translatators out of business.

My $.02.

Wink
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March 18, 2014, 02:27:49 AM
Balthazar u can add that tatar is the second language in russian federation
Crimea(as a subject of the Russian Federation) will have three official languages: Russian, Ukrainian, Tatar
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March 18, 2014, 02:24:19 AM
Balthazar u can add that tatar is the second language in russian federation
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March 18, 2014, 01:17:49 AM
Population of Crimea. Not of whole Russia. They are less than 3% now. The same numbers as american natives in the Us. (if we talk about combined races also) around 2%

Crimean Tatars are about 10-12% of the population of Crimea, and that would make 0.1-0.2% of the population of Russia.
Russian Federation already includes the Republic of Tatarstan with 53.2% tatars population according to 2010 Census. It also includes Republic of Bashkortostan with 25.4% tatars population according to 2010 Census.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatarstan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Bashkortostan
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March 18, 2014, 12:53:57 AM
[EDITORIAL] Crimean referendum: Mr Putin and the threat of a new cold war

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/16/crimea-referendum-putin-threat-cold-war

"Through a series of interventions in civil liberties, Mr Putin is turning a soft autocracy into a highly repressive state."


The referendum that took place in Crimea is both irrelevant and deeply significant. Irrelevant because it has no standing in the law of the country to which it applies, and because it took place while the autonomous region was under military occupation. International bodies are unlikely to recognise its outcome: the UN security council voted by 13-1 to condemn it on Saturday, with only Russia voting against. The referendum is significant, however, because it represents a giant step on the road to Russian annexation, and because it reveals a little more of the nature of that country's president, Vladimir Putin.

Like many a strongman before him, Mr Putin is motivated as much by fear as boldness. He has embarked on the path of dismembering Ukraine in part because he fears for Russia if its neighbour is seen to escape into a bright European future. Ever since the mass protests that surrounded his controversial return to the presidency in 2012, Mr Putin has worked hard to prevent himself being ejected on a wave of pro-democratic sentiment of the kind that ran around the world following Tunisia's revolution in December 2010. Having seen his protege Viktor Yanukovych toppled in Kiev, he has been rolling back the gains of glasnost with renewed vigour.

Just when the Russian people have needed independent media most, the government has been crushing it.

No similarity to the USA at all   Roll Eyes
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March 18, 2014, 12:34:24 AM
Population of Crimea. Not of whole Russia. They are less than 3% now. The same numbers as american natives in the Us. (if we talk about combined races also) around 2%

Crimean Tatars are about 10-12% of the population of Crimea, and that would make 0.1-0.2% of the population of Russia.

Just what I was saying.  Just pointing things out in your posts.
 
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March 17, 2014, 11:24:59 PM
Population of Crimea. Not of whole Russia. They are less than 3% now. The same numbers as american natives in the Us. (if we talk about combined races also) around 2%

Crimean Tatars are about 10-12% of the population of Crimea, and that would make 0.1-0.2% of the population of Russia.
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March 17, 2014, 10:12:47 PM
What about the Tatar ethnic minority? The people who would have been the natural majority of Crimea if they hadn't mostly been killed or driven away by Russian imperialists.

The Crimean Tatars enslaved, butchered and destroyed the Russians for almost 400 years, until Russia defeated them in 1783. However, they were allowed to stay in Crimea as Russian citizens. Currently, they comprise 10-12% of the population.

On the other hand, the American Indians warmly welcomed the European migrants in the 16th century when they first arrived at Massachusetts. In return, they were massacred and forcibly assimilated using inhuman means. Until the 1970s Indian children were banned from speaking their native language, which has resulted in the extinction of 99% of the Indian languages.

The Indians also would have been the natural majority of the US, if they were not killed off by the colonists.


Population of Crimea. Not of whole Russia. They are less than 3% now. The same numbers as american natives in the Us. (if we talk about combined races also) around 2%
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March 17, 2014, 10:05:49 PM
What about the Tatar ethnic minority? The people who would have been the natural majority of Crimea if they hadn't mostly been killed or driven away by Russian imperialists.

The Crimean Tatars enslaved, butchered and destroyed the Russians for almost 400 years, until Russia defeated them in 1783. However, they were allowed to stay in Crimea as Russian citizens. Currently, they comprise 10-12% of the population.

On the other hand, the American Indians warmly welcomed the European migrants in the 16th century when they first arrived at Massachusetts. In return, they were massacred and forcibly assimilated using inhuman means. Until the 1970s Indian children were banned from speaking their native language, which has resulted in the extinction of 99% of the Indian languages.

The Indians also would have been the natural majority of the US, if they were not killed off by the colonists.


So true, the irony.  Smiley
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March 17, 2014, 09:50:11 PM
What about the Tatar ethnic minority? The people who would have been the natural majority of Crimea if they hadn't mostly been killed or driven away by Russian imperialists.

The Crimean Tatars enslaved, butchered and destroyed the Russians for almost 400 years, until Russia defeated them in 1783. However, they were allowed to stay in Crimea as Russian citizens. Currently, they comprise 10-12% of the population.

On the other hand, the American Indians warmly welcomed the European migrants in the 16th century when they first arrived at Massachusetts. In return, they were massacred and forcibly assimilated using inhuman means. Until the 1970s Indian children were banned from speaking their native language, which has resulted in the extinction of 99% of the Indian languages.

The Indians also would have been the natural majority of the US, if they were not killed off by the colonists.
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March 17, 2014, 11:40:27 AM


                                             
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March 17, 2014, 11:15:10 AM
yea tell me about it.
plus, coming from a guy with "blablahblah" as a nick really pins the tail on the donkey Grin
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March 17, 2014, 11:04:48 AM
Just tired of "blahblahblah democracy blahblahblah dictator".
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