Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 92. (Read 227096 times)

@balthazar +1 - proper execution.

According to my rules?   Try to read something better than BBC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)

It's a regional referendum, only Crimea population should be allowed to decide their own fate. Otherwise it would a be legal, but illegitimate referendum. Illegal & legitimate much better than legal & illegitimate.

Lol, Hans Christian Andersen: Fairy Tales and Stories?  

1) If you really believe that special forces were unable to resolve such type of problem, then you have never seen this guys in action. Less than 15 minutes would be required to resolve this by force, and nobody would be able to resist. Don't be a fool repeating such stupid propaganda.

2) That's a pure lie from a fascist so-called government, he didn't that. He would be able to take down an "opposition" in any moment, but he chose the dialogue instead. That's why he signed an agreement for early elections.

Who said you that? CNN, BBC or FoxNews? Do they understand what the word "legitimate" means?

He was legal and legitimate president.

1) legal because his elections were fair, it was confirmed by EU and US observers;
2) legitimate because he had a major support by people.

If you are disagree with that, then proove your point of view with something more sensible than "he was not democratic", "he was a dictator", "he own biological weapon" or another shit from the media.

Blah blah blah... Do you have something except democracy in your consciousness?

... because you say that, right?   Tell me, where do you seen the democracy? I want some good laugh.

Maybe because their level of education allows them to do so? By the way, you need to know that "legitimacy" and "legality" have absolutely no relation with the democracy... It's possible to create a non-democratic*, legal and legitimate government. Is that a surprise for you?

Try to dedicate some time to education, this would be much better than such ignorant advice. If you are not able to understand the basics of sociology, then you have a serious problem.

You have to tell the same to your tutor.

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* See any absolute monarchy. It's the best known example of legitimate, legal and non-democratic government.

They can huff and they can puff but they will not blow Crimea down.

Russia should actually issue economic sanctions against US and European states for double morale.

In other news that don't add up:
- Ukrainian Rada has registered a law proposition to break diplomatic relations with Russia
- Russia allowed Ukrainian, as well as German-Arerican flight groups and inspection flight over Russian territory to inspect any traces "undeclared military activity"

Any joke contains some truth. Tanks on these monuments are usually in working condition, but without fuel and ammunition.

Text: "Russia can capture a European country using only monuments."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/16/crimea-vote-_n_4975678.html

Ahaha good sample of propaganda

1) "No observers" statement;
2) Ukrainian tank column video with "Russian occupation" comment.

Huffington Post, you've got a prize.  

If 50% +1 of bulletins are invalid or left blank then it assumed that referendum or elections didn't took place, it's almost identical to vote against all options.

Actually I would prefer to vote for the second option (restore the 1992 constitution) because it provides incredible autonomy. But it seems that local popupation doesn't want to have any relation with Kiev, even as a formality.

Well yes, of course.  But presumably that might have been a "statement", but such votes would surely have been ignored for the decision.  (As they are in parliamentary elections in Austria and probably everywhere around the world.)

Would it not have been possible to vote blank, effectively both against seceding from Ukraine and against joining Russia? I am thinking a binary truth table here.
If not, then my statement in the previous previous post was incorrect.

Colonel Obama

crimeans recognize rouble as official currency. so much teasing.

While I agree with this view largely, can you please give your sources for the "three options" you mentioned?  As far as I know, there were only two options offered on the poll (stay with Ukraine but institute a constitution that gives parliament the right to secede, and join with Russia).  "Leave everything as is" was not offered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xtqSfuLKOs&feature=youtu.be (Deutsch with Russian translation)

Merkel just fucked up  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdhT_2DO3Uw (Deutsch)

Full Gysi's speech

From Aksenov's (prime minister of Crimea) twitter:



 

P.S. https://twitter.com/sergyaksenov

90% of people living in Crimea. Russians is the historic majority for several hundred years. Don't forget that the people of Crimea were given away as a present against their will (slavery, anyone) 60 years ago.

When US votes by a 55% meet-up for a new president, who is voting for a president of whom? The descendants of a rag-tag band of immigrants and occupants who took the land from Indians? Look who's talking.

Tatars had their say as well. They were also offered a permanent minimum number of places in the Parliament (it's as if Indians in the US were offered permanent percentage of places in the Congress). Third option? There were three combinatorial options: 1. leave everything as is, 2. secede from Ukraine, but stay independent, and 3. secede from Ukraine, but re-join RF. Everyone had their rightful say, and if they didn't use it, it's their own problem. This will always be the case in any voting or referendum.

Those times I visited Crimea, no one there, not even Tatars spoke Ukrainian. Hell, during the time I spent in Kiev I almost never heard Ukrainian - it would be funny if Kiev seceded from Ukraine next.

lol
touché

Altough US just care about themselves, so it would help if they dont act like f*****g cowboys all around the globe in the holy name of democracy.

why dont you put on the list the American colonies declaration of independence from UK, no where under the UK law they were allowed to secede  so they should bo back and be a colony again 

They had no problems with legitimacy in Kosovo, Libya, Iraq.etc