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Topic: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. - page 90. (Read 227070 times)

legendary
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March 18, 2014, 12:10:48 PM
 Grin Grin Grin
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March 18, 2014, 11:51:13 AM
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Crimea has already officially introduced the ruble as a second currency along with the Ukrainian hryvna. On Monday the republic also created the Bank of Crimea and announced that all budget incomes, which up until now were being transferred to Kiev, will now be credited to the republic's accounts. The dual currency will be in place for about six months.

I read that as rubble at first, good laugh.
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 11:39:55 AM





Why, across the world, are America’s hands so tied?

A large part of the answer is our leader’s terrible timing. In virtually every foreign-affairs crisis we have faced these past five years, there was a point when America had good choices and good options. There was a juncture when America had the potential to influence events. But we failed to act at the propitious point; that moment having passed, we were left without acceptable options. In foreign affairs as in life, there is, as Shakespeare had it, “a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries.”

When protests in Ukraine grew and violence ensued, it was surely evident to people in the intelligence community—and to the White House—that President Putin might try to take advantage of the situation to capture Crimea, or more. That was the time to talk with our global allies about punishments and sanctions, to secure their solidarity, and to communicate these to the Russian president. These steps, plus assurances that we would not exclude Russia from its base in Sevastopol or threaten its influence in Kiev, might have dissuaded him from invasion. …

Able leaders anticipate events, prepare for them, and act in time to shape them. My career in business and politics has exposed me to scores of people in leadership positions, only a few of whom actually have these qualities. Some simply cannot envision the future and are thus unpleasantly surprised when it arrives. Some simply hope for the best. Others succumb to analysis paralysis, weighing trends and forecasts and choices beyond the time of opportunity.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304747404579445170801186310?mod=hp_opinion
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 10:54:51 AM
You can see this in English here http://rt.com/news/putin-include-crimea-sevastopol-russia-578/

Reading comments from the beginning...

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BillK 18.03.2014 13:33
Now for referendums in the east and south. That will isolate the nazis and fascists and real Ukrainians can wipe them out once and for all.

By then west Ukraine might choose to have their own referendum.

+1
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 10:49:06 AM
Meanwhile the bandits, occupying the government offices in Kiev, proclaimed formation of "National Guardia" and announced that cars and other equipment will be confiscated from civilians and small businesses to equip this "army".
Whaat?!  Huh
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 10:31:47 AM
Meanwhile the bandits, occupying the government offices in Kiev, proclaimed formation of "National Guardia" and announced that cars and other equipment will be confiscated from civilians and small businesses to equip this "army".

Cars against MBTs?
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 10:22:53 AM
(Russia Today news channel, rt.com seems to be under DDOS, or is it only me?)
http://rt.com/ is working for me
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 10:16:55 AM
Meanwhile the bandits, occupying the government offices in Kiev, proclaimed formation of "National Guardia" and announced that cars and other equipment will be confiscated from civilians and small businesses to equip this "army".

http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1056452?utm_medium=rss20

Russia Today site, rt.com seems to be under DDOS. Right, then it's only me. It just stands and spins there for the longest while without ever loading. Worked fine earlier today.
EDIT: It seems corporate network firewall security policies (of a large US-based transnat) started blocking rt.com

Freedom of speech, oh yeah:
.@GoogleRussia confirms RT's YouTube channel suspended 'due to technical mistake'. They apologize to channel, users. http://t.co/4FOe6p887k

legendary
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legendary
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
March 18, 2014, 09:27:12 AM
Well , they got that map spot on.
You see that red thingy in eastern europe labelled Gypsies ?
Those are far more dangerous than nuclear warheads.
so far they only sell paper tissues at 50 cents a pack on european metros and trains not a big problem 
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 09:20:46 AM
https://i.imgur.com/CTthxjc.jpg (what each country leads the world in)

Surprised to hear that alcohol consumption in Moldovia is higher than that in Russia. Such a sad state of affairs.

Moldovia (along with Ukraine) was the breadbasket of the USSR. The best wines were produced there. Ethnic Moldvin birth rate was almost 3 times that of ethnic Russians (still lower than Soviet Germans).

The country was completely destroyed due to the USSR disintegration. 20-30% of the women sold as slaves to the Turks and Albanians. Men killing themselves with alcohol and drugs. First ex-USSR republic to go extinct?
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 08:27:50 AM
Russian Federation, the Republic of Crimea, and the City of Sevastopol signed a mutual agreement of accepting Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol into Russian Federation, and creation of new subjects inside Russian Federation. The document was signed by RF President Vladimir Putin, Chairman of the state senate of Republic Crimea Vladimir Konstantinov, Chairman of the Cabimet of Ministers of Republic of Crimea Sergje Aksjonov, and chairman of coordination committee of the Sevastopol city government Aleksej Chalov:

http://news.kremlin.ru/news/20604

Note that Republic of Crimea and the City of Sevastopol are two separate jurisdictions.

PS: I just love reading comments, where people give heartfelt thanks to Obama and his spending of 5 billion of American taxpayers' dollars on creating such conditions in Ukraine, where regions flee the county and seek reunification with the mainland.

Maybe this is Obama's covert way of finally justifying his Nobel Peace Prize? Grin Roll Eyes

You would also often come across individual comments along the lines if "Odessa wants back as well" and "Don't forget about us in Donbass". Wink
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 07:12:28 AM
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Crimea has already officially introduced the ruble as a second currency along with the Ukrainian hryvna. On Monday the republic also created the Bank of Crimea and announced that all budget incomes, which up until now were being transferred to Kiev, will now be credited to the republic's accounts. The dual currency will be in place for about six months.
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 06:59:34 AM
Gorbachev has spoken on the subject of Crimean referendum:

http://rt.com/news/mistake-fixed-crimea-gorbachev-422/

http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6888

Well... Congrats to citizens of the Republic of Crimea, 50 years of Ukrainian occupation has been ended. Smiley

Actually, 60 years of occupation.

From the 19th of February 1954 until the 15th of March 2014.

Congratulations, Crimeans!
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 06:56:15 AM
http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/6888

Well... Congrats to citizens of the Republic of Crimea, 50 years of Ukrainian occupation has been ended. Smiley
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in defi we trust
March 18, 2014, 06:51:58 AM
China can't supply Russia with the goods that the eu does. In fact they are also dependent from the EU just like all the Brics.
Machinery ,industrial robots , electronics and electrical equipment that is all the brics countries have failed to produce at the standard need.

Basically without the machinery from the eu and us , China won't be able to produce anything. At least not something that would last more than 10 days.
each country exports their leading products and i dont see much EU exports to russia

https://i.imgur.com/CTthxjc.jpg (what each country leads the world in)

Well , they got that map spot on.
You see that red thingy in eastern europe labelled Gypsies ?
Those are far more dangerous than nuclear warheads.
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 06:51:27 AM
Good luck on that.Smiley
In an economical war , there will be only one winner, And that ain't Russia.

Can't argue with that, but the point is not Russia winning, but not letting NATO win. Some goods need to be purchased from abroad, and buying them from India, China or Brazil would be preferable in the current political climate. I predict that the true winner in this situation will be China. Wink

Oh, and here is talk of Russia leaving WTO mafia group.

China can't supply Russia with the goods that the eu does. In fact they are also dependent from the EU just like all the Brics.
Machinery ,industrial robots , electronics and electrical equipment that is all the brics countries have failed to produce at the standard need.

Basically without the machinery from the eu and us , China won't be able to produce anything. At least not something that would last more than 10 days.

That article talked about foods, mainly from Spain, Holland and Poland.
Potentially Russia can be self-sustained, but the industry and production were systematically destroyed and left in neglect after the SU dissolvment. The sanctions might be just what the doctor ordered to bring Russian home production back on track.
legendary
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
March 18, 2014, 06:44:51 AM
China can't supply Russia with the goods that the eu does. In fact they are also dependent from the EU just like all the Brics.
Machinery ,industrial robots , electronics and electrical equipment that is all the brics countries have failed to produce at the standard need.

Basically without the machinery from the eu and us , China won't be able to produce anything. At least not something that would last more than 10 days.
each country exports their leading products and i dont see much EU exports to russia

https://i.imgur.com/CTthxjc.jpg (what each country leads the world in)
hero member
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in defi we trust
March 18, 2014, 06:30:42 AM
Good luck on that.Smiley
In an economical war , there will be only one winner, And that ain't Russia.

Can't argue with that, but the point is not Russia winning, but not letting NATO win. Some goods need to be purchased from abroad, and buying them from India, China or Brazil would be preferable in the current political climate. I predict that the true winner in this situation will be China. Wink

Oh, and here is talk of Russia leaving WTO mafia group.

China can't supply Russia with the goods that the eu does. In fact they are also dependent from the EU just like all the Brics.
Machinery ,industrial robots , electronics and electrical equipment that is all the brics countries have failed to produce at the standard need.

Basically without the machinery from the eu and us , China won't be able to produce anything. At least not something that would last more than 10 days.
legendary
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March 18, 2014, 06:24:15 AM
Good luck on that.Smiley
In an economical war , there will be only one winner, And that ain't Russia.

Can't argue with that, but the point is not Russia winning, but not letting NATO win. Some goods need to be purchased from abroad, and buying them from India, China or Brazil would be preferable in the current political climate. I predict that the true winner in this situation will be China. Wink

Oh, and here is talk of Russia leaving WTO mafia group.
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