Merit "trading" - buying and selling Bitcointalk merit - page 12.

Mahanton

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 18, 2019, 10:17:00 AM

Quote from: Dark_Angel919 on April 14, 2019, 02:59:05 AM

pretty interesting threads....may be some time soon we may see merits getting listed in exchange

That can't really be done of course but it is an interesting idea. I'd be very curious to know a real value people are willing to put on it.

There are a few examples out there like this - https://www.fiverr.com/bounty_1/supply-bitcointalk-merits-for-your-bitcointalk-account?ref_ctx_id=fc2e0741-c788-4508-a5a9-d4e60d713aa3

That's $20 for one merit. Since it takes no more time to create a post worth meriting than a shitpost I'd love to know what's going on in the mind of someone willing to pay that.

There would be always those kind of people who do really willing to pay for that much for a merit yet they do know that having a higher account on this forum is
really valuable when it comes to campaigns and other related task that do give out chance on making some profits out of those.
Selling of merits do fly around without even noticed by mods or dt's.

logicgate

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Quote from: spike420211 on April 18, 2019, 08:31:55 AM

Quote from: bantano on March 14, 2019, 10:16:17 AM

Hi guys,
I agree that it would be much more spammy here without a system like merit, and that trading merit per se is not something good. I'm currently looking forward to become a Junior Member and just wonder how often it happens that someone actually gives merit to someone else? Is that only done for exceptionally good posts? Not looking into detailed stats, just wondering what my chances are. Wink

That's it. The system of merit motivates both old and new users to write more informed messages, better choose the question before answering or commenting, and also teaches users to search to some extent, so as not to fall into the mud in front of forum users.

you are right before getting in the market I think one should know about the movement of the market very well because as you said getting in without information is just like falling in the mud, or jumping in the river even you don’t know how to swim, so merit it not a thing to sell or to buy but it is like gaining, you will have to work for it and struggle.

gentlemand

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Quote from: Dark_Angel919 on April 14, 2019, 02:59:05 AM

pretty interesting threads....may be some time soon we may see merits getting listed in exchange

That can't really be done of course but it is an interesting idea. I'd be very curious to know a real value people are willing to put on it.

There are a few examples out there like this - https://www.fiverr.com/bounty_1/supply-bitcointalk-merits-for-your-bitcointalk-account?ref_ctx_id=fc2e0741-c788-4508-a5a9-d4e60d713aa3

That's $20 for one merit. Since it takes no more time to create a post worth meriting than a shitpost I'd love to know what's going on in the mind of someone willing to pay that.

spike420211

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Quote from: bantano on March 14, 2019, 10:16:17 AM

Hi guys,
I agree that it would be much more spammy here without a system like merit, and that trading merit per se is not something good. I'm currently looking forward to become a Junior Member and just wonder how often it happens that someone actually gives merit to someone else? Is that only done for exceptionally good posts? Not looking into detailed stats, just wondering what my chances are. Wink

That's it. The system of merit motivates both old and new users to write more informed messages, better choose the question before answering or commenting, and also teaches users to search to some extent, so as not to fall into the mud in front of forum users.

Dark_Angel919

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pretty interesting threads....may be some time soon we may see merits getting listed in exchange

Freny250

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From the start merit is not supposed to be sold for money. The main aim for merit is to reward and appreciate good and quality post and not for trade purpose

bitzizzix

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Quote from: bitbunnny on March 18, 2019, 12:04:53 PM

Quote from: Indamuck on March 17, 2019, 12:46:17 PM

Quote from: bantano on March 14, 2019, 10:16:17 AM

Hi guys,
I agree that it would be much more spammy here without a system like merit, and that trading merit per se is not something good. I'm currently looking forward to become a Junior Member and just wonder how often it happens that someone actually gives merit to someone else? Is that only done for exceptionally good posts? Not looking into detailed stats, just wondering what my chances are. Wink

Its just as bad as before and it may have even gotten worse. Merit did nothing to counter spam, it just encourages more shady behavior because now people have some type of black market currency they can also trade. I wish we had the old system back because I believe the merit system is truly broken. I see many great posters go un merited and it just seems wildly unfair.

I completely agree. I can't see any improvement of merit system. Unfortunately people have found the way to abuse merits and it's obviously there are many who are trading it. I.don't want to say that merit is a bad concept, just that is poor executed and often abused by dishonest users who have made business out of it a kind of keep monopole on it. This should be changed.

I agree with you, and the misuse of Merit has made the Merit system no longer effective and the incident has been long.
and what I see is that there are a number of posts that I think are not eligible but get Merit and people will try various ways to get it just to improve rankings without being on the right track, I personally don't really expect Merit and who most importantly I work well and make good posts and obey the rules that have been determined and that is enough for me and without me realizing Merit will come by itself.

eaLiTy

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Quote from: Sihab76 on March 21, 2019, 07:59:39 PM

If any one tries to farming accounts and tries to sell or buying merits, and any way he caught by forum moderators, then he must get negative feedback.

Rightly said and hopefully is that not the reason you got painted in your account by other members? Wink

. If you try to trick the system you will end up being caught by members who are spending their free time looking to improve the forum, you can understand if you are misusing anything if you carefully monitor your merit history and posting patterns.

cryptovigi

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Quote from: Hamphser on April 04, 2019, 07:04:06 PM

Most merits on where members do earn is on Meta, Reputation, Scam accusations board basing on my own observation but not all people do really come to that place and
there are lots of post which haven't recognized which is really meritable.This system isn't really perfect but I do much prefer yet this do prevent account sales because you wont able
to rank up if you haven't reached certain required merit.

Of course - Meta section is one of the most generously distributing merit, but in others scections you can get a lot of merits as well. The sections you mentioned were Meta - 10.81% and Reputation and Scam Accusations both are in the Trading Discussions sub-pool which collected 3.83% of merits. So, together, it is only less than 16%, so more than 84% of merits go elsewhere.
Particular attention should be paid to the local sections, which are often also good places to get merits. Currently, we have over 120 merit sources and I think that receiving a merit is not a very difficult task - I can be an example of this;).

Quote from: gentlemand on April 04, 2019, 05:25:32 PM

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I agree that it's far too heavily given out in certain sections and alts could do with more attention, but the people who earn the most merit don't want to go into the alt section. There should be more merit sources who hang out in alts.
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I can't agree with you - a lot of merit went to the altcoin section - for example

number of merits	% of all merits given away	Subboard
35020	9,99%	Announcements (Altcoins)
14332	4,09%	Altcoin Discussion
6091	1,74%	Mining (Altcoins)
3410	0,97%	Speculation (Altcoins)

Best Dreams

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Quote from: Taki on April 02, 2019, 06:03:43 AM

Since merit system appeared I've got only 14 merits. I wander, am I do bad commentator or there are a lot of people who trade merits behind the back?

I think it is much better to have your own merit and work hard than taking some other people merit and do this illegal act, it is not good we will have to work and make worthy profit by posting good stuff in market and follow your knowledge, buying merit is not good at it is almost same as cheating and deceiving.

gentlemand

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Quote from: Hamphser on April 04, 2019, 07:04:06 PM

Most merits on where members do earn is on Meta, Reputation, Scam accusations board basing on my own observation but not all people do really come to that place and
there are lots of post which haven't recognized which is really meritable.This system isn't really perfect but I do much prefer yet this do prevent account sales because you wont able
to rank up if you haven't reached certain required merit.

The wall observer thread is the real merit mine. And plenty of the time it's kind of hard to say the posts that get rained on have a great deal of actual merit. It's just what the mainstays have gotten used to and they tend to have become a closed loop. No harm's being done but it is kind of odd to observe.

Hamphser

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 04, 2019, 05:25:32 PM

Quote from: Indamuck on March 17, 2019, 12:46:17 PM

Its just as bad as before and it may have even gotten worse. Merit did nothing to counter spam, it just encourages more shady behavior because now people have some type of black market currency they can also trade. I wish we had the old system back because I believe the merit system is truly broken. I see many great posters go un merited and it just seems wildly unfair.

It's a long way from perfect but I think it's definitely working in preventing the real zombies from ranking up. I don't need to refer to someone's stats to guess at their merit count now. I know it'll be piffling or overflowing by the shit or genius they write.

It doesn't stop spam but it might deter enough to make a difference.

It's been a long time since it was implemented and most of those who were airdropped it will have spent it by now. What's left is merit earned.

I agree that it's far too heavily given out in certain sections and alts could do with more attention, but the people who earn the most merit don't want to go into the alt section. There should be more merit sources who hang out in alts.

Most merits on where members do earn is on Meta, Reputation, Scam accusations board basing on my own observation but not all people do really come to that place and
there are lots of post which haven't recognized which is really meritable.This system isn't really perfect but I do much prefer yet this do prevent account sales because you wont able
to rank up if you haven't reached certain required merit.

gentlemand

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Merit: 3008

Welt Am Draht

Quote from: Indamuck on March 17, 2019, 12:46:17 PM

Its just as bad as before and it may have even gotten worse. Merit did nothing to counter spam, it just encourages more shady behavior because now people have some type of black market currency they can also trade. I wish we had the old system back because I believe the merit system is truly broken. I see many great posters go un merited and it just seems wildly unfair.

It's a long way from perfect but I think it's definitely working in preventing the real zombies from ranking up. I don't need to refer to someone's stats to guess at their merit count now. I know it'll be piffling or overflowing by the shit or genius they write.

It doesn't stop spam but it might deter enough to make a difference.

It's been a long time since it was implemented and most of those who were airdropped it will have spent it by now. What's left is merit earned.

I agree that it's far too heavily given out in certain sections and alts could do with more attention, but the people who earn the most merit don't want to go into the alt section. There should be more merit sources who hang out in alts.

Taki

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Quote from: slaman29 on April 04, 2019, 02:56:40 AM

I've not done much better than you, but I know that from what I can observe, the best places for merit for me, which you will get from moderators and even staff, is if you help Bitcoin users with issues using Bitcoin, or answering technical questions about Bitcoin, or discussing technical issues in constructive manner.

I admit, I don't have the technical knowledge for these things, so I don't expect to gain very much merit. I'm sure it's the same for most people. So if merits are super important to you, you need to brush up technical knowledge.

In that sense, I think it's a great system. Even I know now who are the guys who know a lot and those who don't, just from merits.

This is of course generic. I know some people also gain merits from being contributive in other areas like even gambling.

I also do not have any technical knowledges and experience with many wallet's and exchangers to be super helpful to users who have this kind of problems. But I saw my own how stupid comments or sarcastic ones gain merits easily.

Quote from: Ridwan Fauzi on April 04, 2019, 01:39:30 PM

For those people who cheat this forum rule against smerit will have two possibilities i.e trade merit which also I haven't known how smerit being traded, I meant what is the price that must be spend by some users to buy one merit and second I believe there many users who give smerit to their alt account to push rank up, I often see there are many users who give smerit just for bounty report that I think it's nonsense.

I can an idea of how merit trading is happening. People simply make a deal on local boards, through PMs or connect each other on social networks.

Ridwan Fauzi

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Quote from: Taki on April 02, 2019, 06:03:43 AM

Since merit system appeared I've got only 14 merits. I wander, am I do bad commentator or there are a lot of people who trade merits behind the back?

For those people who cheat this forum rule against smerit will have two possibilities i.e trade merit which also I haven't known how smerit being traded, I meant what is the price that must be spend by some users to buy one merit and second I believe there many users who give smerit to their alt account to push rank up, I often see there are many users who give smerit just for bounty report that I think it's nonsense.

slaman29

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Quote from: Taki on April 02, 2019, 06:03:43 AM

Since merit system appeared I've got only 14 merits. I wander, am I do bad commentator or there are a lot of people who trade merits behind the back?

I've not done much better than you, but I know that from what I can observe, the best places for merit for me, which you will get from moderators and even staff, is if you help Bitcoin users with issues using Bitcoin, or answering technical questions about Bitcoin, or discussing technical issues in constructive manner.

I admit, I don't have the technical knowledge for these things, so I don't expect to gain very much merit. I'm sure it's the same for most people. So if merits are super important to you, you need to brush up technical knowledge.

In that sense, I think it's a great system. Even I know now who are the guys who know a lot and those who don't, just from merits.

This is of course generic. I know some people also gain merits from being contributive in other areas like even gambling.

Taki

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Since merit system appeared I've got only 14 merits. I wander, am I do bad commentator or there are a lot of people who trade merits behind the back?

Yaunfitda

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Quote from: Sihab76 on March 21, 2019, 07:59:39 PM

If any one tries to farming accounts and tries to sell or buying merits, and any way he caught by forum moderators, then he must get negative feedback.

Lol, you trolling yourself? Grin

. Or this is still part of the prank this April Fools?

You exactly get your negative feedback from farming and abusing bounties. Grin

I'm sure that you learn your lessons very well. The merit system really did what it's supposed to do, get rid of shitposters around and even catching merit farming and some of them have been tagged as usual.

qwertyup23

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Quote from: fabianji on February 03, 2018, 11:31:08 PM

While this was introduced to increase post quality it has of course created a counter movement and a market place for "trading" merit - for money.
So this is just a reminder for everyone that the introduction of merit is a GOOD thing because it will help improve the quality of this forum for everybody.

"Trading" merit will undermine this and render it eventually useless.

At first, I was against the implementation of the merit-system as being counter-productive. Most quality posts are being overshadowed and buried under the pile of spams and shitposters in a current forum section. But as time eventually took the wheel, the merit system proved itself to be the cross that mostly prevented a number of spammers and hackers from abusing the old system.

Making alt accounts and farming them were the problems before and they have been addressed with this implementation. Of course, there can never be a perfect system wherein everyone can benefit as the implication of the merits also made it difficult for quality posters to have the spotlight of being the deserved ones to rank-up. Overall, I could say that it was indeed a success but we have to embrace all the consequences it follows.

Sihab76

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If any one tries to farming accounts and tries to sell or buying merits, and any way he caught by forum moderators, then he must get negative feedback.

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