Meriting: local boards posters vs rest of boards posters

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Quote from: cryptoaddictchie on July 11, 2020, 02:29:40 AM

Good point. Now I remembered the one you created that Ive translated even though the topic is hard to translate, I think some on our local boards appreciate the topic. We should admit that there are users who arent really good on english (me too) thats why they reading more some local post they ought to understand. Meriting it or not, is not an issue, how can it be? When the topic is reliable and a good source of knowledge.

This is the thread I am taking about:
Help me translate my best posts in your Local Board

The ultimate objective of this thread is having the “same post” merited on multiple local board. The merit are for the translator, rather than for the original writer, because of the translation work.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on July 06, 2020, 08:58:43 AM

so it’s not so much a double merit chance, but rather a chance to reach a broader scope of viewers (which is a good thing).

Sometime same guy who posted an english topic on global boards translate it also on his own language, its inevitable that some users who already merited an english post would also merited the local version but I dont see there is something wrong with it. Especially translating on a local lingo isnt easy to do. Maybe props for the effort.

Quote from: fillippone on July 11, 2020, 01:43:19 AM

This is what I wanted to achieve: maximise the circulation of new ideas in local boards, where language barrier is the first issue.

Good point. Now I remembered the one you created that Ive translated even though the topic is hard to translate, I think some on our local boards appreciate the topic. We should admit that there are users who arent really good on english (me too) thats why they reading more some local post they ought to understand. Meriting it or not, is not an issue, how can it be? When the topic is reliable and a good source of knowledge.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on July 06, 2020, 08:58:43 AM

Quote from: so98nn on July 06, 2020, 08:36:59 AM

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So it's like getting double merits for the same posts, just into different languages.
Yes, this is happening but we can't do anything about it I guess.

Nor should we. Posts that are placed both on the general English boards, and on translated on Local boards, do have an added value of bringing content over to a wider scope of readers. That is in fact beneficial in the big picture. I don’t think that posts of this nature are likely to be merited by the same person in more than one language, at least to any significant level, so it’s not so much a double merit chance, but rather a chance to reach a broader scope of viewers (which is a good thing).

Definetly agree. I already linked my “translation thread“ above and I can confirm this is actually why is happening.
When a post is translated on a local board the translated post get merited from a lot of local posters I never heard about, who probably don’t post much on international board and get exposed to the new content.
This is what I wanted to achieve: maximise the circulation of new ideas in local boards, where language barrier is the first issue.

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Quote from: so98nn on July 06, 2020, 12:17:39 PM

Quote from: Harlot on July 06, 2020, 09:22:49 AM

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Yeah, if a person is originally from English background then it’s like whole forum is their home and they have better chances of getting merits. I mean if local board has people from same community then overall forum has English plus rest posters reading the OP thus making it more widespread and should get recognised faster for merits.

Where are you going at here? OP is complaining about how the competition for merit is tough in local boards because there is a whole group abusing it. He didn't point out anything about English speaking people getting more merits compared to local board posters and besides no one is stopping them on learning English in their own and be better at it if you think that way.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on July 06, 2020, 08:58:43 AM

Quote from: so98nn on July 06, 2020, 08:36:59 AM

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So it's like getting double merits for the same posts, just into different languages.
Yes, this is happening but we can't do anything about it I guess.

Nor should we. Posts that are placed both on the general English boards, and on translated on Local boards, do have an added value of bringing content over to a wider scope of readers. That is in fact beneficial in the big picture. I don’t think that posts of this nature are likely to be merited by the same person in more than one language, at least to any significant level, so it’s not so much a double merit chance, but rather a chance to reach a broader scope of viewers (which is a good thing).

Yeah that is a good point. That’s why I said it’s better to share posts with some informative stuff in it over local boards and are ultimately merit-able.

Quote from: Harlot on July 06, 2020, 09:22:49 AM

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Yeah, if a person is originally from English background then it’s like whole forum is their home and they have better chances of getting merits. I mean if local board has people from same community then overall forum has English plus rest posters reading the OP thus making it more widespread and should get recognised faster for merits.

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What are you talking about? Basing it from your post history you haven't had posted in any local board whatsoever so I don't see your point on how you are "unable to compete" with them if you aren't even posting in any of them, basically when it comes to you accusing a local board of having a merit circle should have no kind of traction in it since you aren't a local board poster to even know it or see it happen. From what I see in your post history as well you aren't really active here in the forum and will only come online if a signature campaign is open so do you really think you deserve merits at all?

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Quote from: so98nn on July 06, 2020, 08:36:59 AM

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So it's like getting double merits for the same posts, just into different languages.
Yes, this is happening but we can't do anything about it I guess.

Nor should we. Posts that are placed both on the general English boards, and on translated on Local boards, do have an added value of bringing content over to a wider scope of readers. That is in fact beneficial in the big picture. I don’t think that posts of this nature are likely to be merited by the same person in more than one language, at least to any significant level, so it’s not so much a double merit chance, but rather a chance to reach a broader scope of viewers (which is a good thing).

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This is so true but I don't think we can have any sort of mechanism to trace this thing. If a DT is told to screen such fowl acts of meriting then they will literally exhaust over the time. Since the number of non-english boards are outnumbered so as to non-english users.

Frankly speaking we can't do anything about this.

Moreover, there is also one more way to attract meriters, you create posts with knowledge sharing stuff and some merits do come along the way. If you are not abusing then everything is just fine.

Now here is the twist:
People do share these knowledge sharing posts one more time into Local boards and earn the merits for it.

So it's like getting double merits for the same posts, just into different languages.

Yes, this is happening but we can't do anything about it I guess.

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Quote from: shield132 on June 25, 2020, 05:40:16 PM

I see a lot of people that have a lot of merits and mostly write posts in English language but then when I see their merit stats, a bunch of merits comes from local boards and you'll rarely find 1-2 merit that may be given from default/global boards.
The idea behind merit was to make it difficult for low quality posters that are seeking for sig campaigns to rank up. I think the problem that we face from local boards regarding to merit abuse needs some glance over again.

In our local (Pilipinas) it is hard to earn merit before you can get single merit or a bunch of merits you must need to have a good quality of post that satisfy other local members by that at the start of the local board you must need immediately learn to make a constructive content before going into other boards.

The local board is like training ground before getting outside you must need to learn a lot to make a good output thread and just not creating only to gain merit.

IMO looks like every Filipino here on the forum wants to become competitive and productive on our forum.

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Quote from: shield132 on June 25, 2020, 05:40:16 PM

Also since you mentioned ChuckBuck , want to note that I can't understand the merit on posts like this

It is more abusive in merit system than those who received merits in local boards. I don't know why such application will be given by merit. I don't know the reason behind that. Is it really helpful for community or for the user itself?

Even those who joined in raffle or contest that needs merit just to qualify their entry. They received merits in order qualify? Now, it should be the focused of the forum rather than those who are posting in local boards with their helpful contents.

But then, I respect everyone who helps every users in this forum. And as long as there is no modification in merit system. We cannot judge everyone because giving merits is depend upon the user, if he satisfied, glad or impressed by that user.

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I see a lot of people that have a lot of merits and mostly write posts in English language but then when I see their merit stats, a bunch of merits comes from local boards and you'll rarely find 1-2 merit that may be given from default/global boards.
The idea behind merit was to make it difficult for low quality posters that are seeking for sig campaigns to rank up. I think the problem that we face from local boards regarding to merit abuse needs some glance over again.

Also since you mentioned ChuckBuck , want to note that I can't understand the merit on posts like this

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As you know, I am a strong supporter of local boards.
Language barriers (something that is not part of my background, for a variety of reasons) prevent a lot of users deepening their knowledge of an already difficult subject as bitcoin is.

So, yes, local boards are perfectible, and probably in some of them is easier to get merits rather than English ones, both because local MS or because of the "slowness" of some of them, where it is basically impossible for a good post to be unnoticed.

But the good service they do to the forum is vastly overturning this slight "bias".
Local boards permit new users to be more confident to ask questions about bitcoin, exchange of ideas and grow into real bitcoiners.
Some users contribute to local boards translating good posts in their language for others to read.
Some good local users helps more "global" ones to discuss and exchange ideas for post in the international sections.
A lot of very good users aren't confident enough with their second (or third) language to write in the English forum, they might struggle with some cultural barrier, or, simply, they do not care.
I think It would be unfair to penalise them for this choice.

Taking out these boards from the merit system would endanger the steam that keeps those machines running smoothly.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 25, 2020, 01:54:15 PM

Quote from: Sanugarid on June 25, 2020, 12:53:04 PM

But I noticed on my local board they are really helping each other that's why I don't mind seeing a lot of merits being sent to one another.

I don't think anyone really has a problem with local boards having merits circulate within them, and in fact I think all local boards that have enough traffic ought to have at least one merit source representing them. Just because you don't speak English doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to rank up as long as you're contributing to the best of your ability.

Back then this already might be considered as Merit Abuse, but as time pass by, we don't for we are seeing their works/contributions along the way. Also we do accept the fact that not all are being given Merits that's also another reason why we should atleast spread those Merits even if its on a repeated cycle / the same user (depends whether they're actually good) , so sooner or later whoever has one and finds them they'll get what deserve.

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Quote from: barbara44 on June 21, 2020, 03:34:13 AM

When I checked why most meriting is NOT happening on usual boards[1] (other than meta/reputation/scam accusation), I was told most posts on usual discussion boards are JUST REPEATED THOUGHTS.

I can't speak for the local boards since I don't frequent any of them, but the above is pretty much true. And it's not only that thoughts keep getting repeated, they're repeated in such a low quality manner that the result is that those sections are chock full of garbage posts which are often times hard to understand anyway. That's especially true in sections like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion and Speculation.

Quote from: Sanugarid on June 25, 2020, 12:53:04 PM

But I noticed on my local board they are really helping each other that's why I don't mind seeing a lot of merits being sent to one another.

I don't think anyone really has a problem with local boards having merits circulate within them, and in fact I think all local boards that have enough traffic ought to have at least one merit source representing them. Just because you don't speak English doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to rank up as long as you're contributing to the best of your ability.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on June 21, 2020, 10:52:14 AM

Quote from: barbara44 on June 21, 2020, 03:34:13 AM

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I’ve no doubt that local boards are an potentially an important point of contact with Bitcoin for many users, and as such, constitute an element to enhance, rather than penalize by excluding them from taking part in the Merit System. Whether we like it or not, ranks are an incentive to most as a lateral aspect of the forum, and people on Local Boards should not be deprived from that in any way.

But I noticed on my local board they are really helping each other that's why I don't mind seeing a lot of merits being sent to one another. To be fairly honest, local boards discussion is deeper than the 2nd language of their own, if you're not a born english speaker then you would not understand the every meaning of the words behind metaphors and jargons which is reciprocal on local boards discussion.

Actually we can abuse anything, just like creating accounts on bitcointalk but be ready for the consequences.

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on June 21, 2020, 10:52:14 AM

Instead of generalizing on what may be happening on (some) Local Boards, it would be much more enlightening to bring some concrete cases to the table in any case, and not to generalize over some kind of grudge over what your personal experience may be. You do mention a specific case as an example, but that is of a concrete single account, thus taking the part for the whole, and extrapolating that case as reason enough to rant about local boards on the whole.

I know meriting are mostly happening in local boards but it is not right to deprive them with forum's incentive. Anyways, it is their merit they do what they want to do with it.

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Quote from: Nellayar on June 22, 2020, 11:35:15 AM

For OP, is english language is your native language? If yes, you will never realize how it becomes a barrier for a noob to learn the deepest or even fundamentals of cryptocurrency specially when you english is not your primary language.

All of those post are made by my countrymen in local board. Thay made my confusions gone and make things easier to understand. So tell me, is it good to have merits spread in local board? Yes, because my fellow countrymen and even I became more quality posters and contributor of the forum.

You're quite right as even I myself are frequently posting in our Local Board (Filipino), yet just for the sake of OP's case to be closed, I've calculated my own merits and only 25% of it (8 out of 32 merits in the last 120 days) are from local boards. Hence it wasn't big enough even my posts in the Local are of pure quality and lengthy posts. I was even merited in my previous comment here as I've only stated a concrete point on how local posts are merited (and we had the same perspective with the topic).

Therefore, it's better I guess to lock this thread as we all proved (even DdmrDdmr indicates statistical data with regards to the local boards' merits) that there's nothing wrong with merit giving in local boards as it was a better medium to understand each other's ideas and as long as you've made yourself good points in your posts, sooner or later you'll be having merits.

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For OP, is english language is your native language? If yes, you will never realize how it becomes a barrier for a noob to learn the deepest or even fundamentals of cryptocurrency specially when you english is not your primary language.

Why there are content created again in local board? Simply, to help some newbies who cannot understand english language. I know all of us here started from a scratch and having a local board helps us to grasp everything in cryptocurrency. That is why there are posts in local boards that given a merit/s.

Now, you will say that it is a merit abuse? I believe it is not. Why? Because posters who are giving effort just to help and share learnings in this forum MUST be merited wherever he post it.

Why do you want to stop giving merit in local boards? Are you sure that if a topic is in local board, it is useless? There are some people who can express more their suggestions throught their language.

Here are some of posts in my Local Board (Filipino):

Bitcoin Transaction without Internet. by finaleshot2016
[TUTORIAL] Send Bitcoin to Multiple Addresses in One Transaction Only by Greatarkansas
Interesting Stats 24 Hours after Bitcoin has Halved by theb

All of those post are made by my countrymen in local board. Thay made my confusions gone and make things easier to understand. So tell me, is it good to have merits spread in local board? Yes, because my fellow countrymen and even I became more quality posters and contributor of the forum.

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Quote from: barbara44 on June 22, 2020, 08:26:05 AM

@DdmrDdmr
Could you please narrow down your analysis by excluding meta and reputation boards.

Just wanted to analyze merit activities of local boards vs rest of boards excluding meta and reputation.

Excluding Meta and Reputation I presume is because you gather that the Merits obtained there are somewhat "not for the general public" in a sense. By that criteria though, other boards/threads could also be excluded, but it derives a consciously subset type of view.

Regadless:
Total awarded Merits: 691.439
Meta awarded Merits: 92.105
Reputation awarded Merits: 19.495

Total non-Meta and non_Reputation awarded Merits: 579.839
Total Local Board awarded Merits: 205.252 (35,40% of above).
The number of non-Meta and non_Reputation merited profiles is 33.836 out of 34.537 profiles.

With that, the resulting data is as follows:

a) All Merited Profiles (local merits vs non-meta, non-reputation merits):

Code:

LocalMerits         nUsers              %
[0]%                21503               63,55%
(0..10]%            301                 00,89%
(10..20]%           286                 00,85%
(20..30]%           242                 00,72%
(30..40]%           321                 00,95%
(40..50]%           544                 01,61%
(50..60]%           221                 00,65%
(60..70]%           323                 00,95%
(70..80]%           411                 01,21%
(80..90]%           385                 01,14%
(90..100)%          553                 01,63%
[100]%              8746                25,85%

b) All Merited Profiles with 100 or above earned Merits (local merits vs non-meta, non-reputation merits):

Code:

LocalMerits         nUsers              %
[0]%                421                 38,55%
(0..10]%            119                 10,90%
(10..20]%           40                  03,66%
(20..30]%           27                  02,47%
(30..40]%           26                  02,38%
(40..50]%           27                  02,47%
(50..60]%           33                  03,02%
(60..70]%           25                  02,29%
(70..80]%           42                  03,85%
(80..90]%           56                  05,13%
(90..100)%          198                 18,13%
[100]%              78                  07,14%

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Could you please narrow down your analysis by excluding meta and reputation boards.

Just wanted to analyze merit activities of local boards vs rest of boards excluding meta and reputation.

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This may shed some perspective. Out of all the merited accounts, this is the margin of contribution of the Local Gene by groups:

a) All Merited Accounts:

Code:

LocalMerits         nUsers              %
[0]%                22202               64,29%
(0..10]%            367                 01,06%
(10..20]%           329                 00,95%
(20..30]%           280                 00,81%
(30..40]%           348                 01,01%
(40..50]%           539                 01,56%
(50..60]%           240                 00,69%
(60..70]%           322                 00,93%
(70..80]%           411                 01,19%
(80..90]%           385                 01,11%
(90..100)%          518                 01,50%
[100]%              8595                24,89%

Looking at the above data it seems that:

-   Local boards are certainly important on the whole, since 35,71% of merited accounts have earned at least 1 local merit.

-   30,32% of merited accounts have earned at least half of their merits on local boards.

-   24,89% of all merited accounts have earned all their merits on local boards.

-   10,83% of all merited accounts are merited both on local boards and English boards.

b)   All accounts with 100 earned merits or above:

Code:

LocalMerits
[0]%                427                 38,89%
(0..10]%            148                 13,48%
(10..20]%           44                  04,01%
(20..30]%           40                  03,64%
(30..40]%           30                  02,73%
(40..50]%           27                  02,46%
(50..60]%           32                  02,91%
(60..70]%           23                  02,09%
(70..80]%           49                  04,46%
(80..90]%           59                  05,37%
(90..100)%          162                 14,75%
[100]%              57                  05,19%

Nevertheless, if we delimit the view to those that have earned 100 merits or above:

-   61,11% have earned at least 1 merit on a local board.

-   34,79% of merited accounts have earned at least half of their merits on local boards.

-   Only 5,19% of all merited accounts have earned all their merits on local boards.

-   55,92% of all merited accounts are merited both on local boards and English boards.

It seems to me that local boards are clearly important. On the whole, 205.252 out of 691.439 awarded merits are local (29,68%).

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