I feel like as long as people are over 18, they should be able to gamble. I know that sounds like a very young age when you are old enough, I certainly think that 18 year olds are kids and not adults yet, but at the same time there are so many of them who go off to live their own life and not with their parents anymore.
Gambling is a risky activity to engage in; when we gamble, we automatically sign up for both earnings and losses; that's all we have to deal with. Adults are more likely to gamble when they believe they have fulfilled certain duties, and they may follow their friends in doing whatever they believe is right. You are correct; once a child reaches the age of 18, he or she is no longer considered a child, but rather a teen capable of caring for themselves. 21 years is more significant because it provides an advantage over other specified hurdles. I'm not encouraging our young adults to gamble, rather they should gamble with less risks.
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I feel like as long as people are over 18, they should be able to gamble. I know that sounds like a very young age when you are old enough, I certainly think that 18 year olds are kids and not adults yet, but at the same time there are so many of them who go off to live their own life and not with their parents anymore.
This make sense, however for a teenager who's just learning to live independently it is not really god for them if they engage into something that cost their money with a higher probability of losing it than earning. I always prefer over 21 above because at this stage our kids might already have their stable job that could sustain their lifestyle. It's better this way than being broke because of gambling at a very early stage of your life. 18 is like more of testing the waters, in which field they would work comfortably. In fact some of them are still in school while having a part time job to sustain their educational needs. Each casino in every country has it's own preferences, but it's always a good preference if you're thinking about the future of the children.
I feel like as long as people are over 18, they should be able to gamble. I know that sounds like a very young age when you are old enough, I certainly think that 18 year olds are kids and not adults yet, but at the same time there are so many of them who go off to live their own life and not with their parents anymore.
It means that it is time for them to learn real life, I certainly did and it was a very tough wake up call to learn that I was a child that was cared for and real world do not care about me at all. Took me a few years to realize that I have to grab the bull by the horn and just ride it out, and they should be able to learn how difficult life is by making these mistakes. If they are any younger then it is not a lesson, their parents would help them as best as they can, if they are older then it is too late.
It means that it is time for them to learn real life, I certainly did and it was a very tough wake up call to learn that I was a child that was cared for and real world do not care about me at all. Took me a few years to realize that I have to grab the bull by the horn and just ride it out, and they should be able to learn how difficult life is by making these mistakes. If they are any younger then it is not a lesson, their parents would help them as best as they can, if they are older then it is too late.
There are many purposes of KYC not just the two that you mentioned. There is that; It is used for the government to get involved in the casino so that they can legally tax them. KYC can also be used to possibly prevent or reduce the fraudulent activity inside the casino.
If the casino is not strict enough in terms of KYC verifications then yes it can be bypassed easily if the gambler is also wise enough. Inside job can also happen where the casino can get bribes in exchange of immediate access and these gamblers will not be asked by a KYC in the future. There are casinos who doesn't mandate a KYC but only restrict some certain countries. This can easily be bypassed by using a VPN but this was still risky because our accounts or withdrawals can get blocked later on.
Indeed. KYC may have varied purposes, not only 2 purposes I stated above. I never said that KYC only has 2 purposes, so I never limit the purposes.If the casino is not strict enough in terms of KYC verifications then yes it can be bypassed easily if the gambler is also wise enough. Inside job can also happen where the casino can get bribes in exchange of immediate access and these gamblers will not be asked by a KYC in the future. There are casinos who doesn't mandate a KYC but only restrict some certain countries. This can easily be bypassed by using a VPN but this was still risky because our accounts or withdrawals can get blocked later on.
I agree that tax issues and avoid fraudulent activity are 2 other reasons of KYC procedure. Without KYC, the government has no chance to identify people's data to be imposed with the tax. The casino will be also difficult to handle fraudulent activities because they have no data of each gambler. These are just the examples of the benefits of KYC.
That's exactly what the points of my explanation above.
KYC verification can be manipulated with fake data, but I think it will be a small chance to bribe money to the team members of the casinos. Regarding the country restriction, surely it can be bypassed by VPN. But the gambler ID can show where the gambler comes, it can't be handle by VPN only. However, it can still be passed with fake data.
However, in an online casino it is much more difficult to apply punishments for two reasons:
The first is the difficulty in finding or finding evidence that these people are gambling;
Second is the impossibility of imposing fines or restricting access to the site if it is operating on a site that is hosted outside the jurisdiction where the crime was caught.
Currently, the convenience of accessing online gambling platforms is available everywhere. Even in my country, which incidentally prohibits gambling, this is inseparable. Lots of new platforms keep popping up through advertisements on various games played by young children. So that they can easily access the online gambling platform through these advertisements. And what's more, as we know, in gambling advertisements, of course they will provide very tempting motivation, namely in the form of very easy wins to earn very large amounts of money. But in reality we know how the process goes. But what is faced here are children, where sometimes they still don't understand these advertisements and are only interested in imagining the money they want to get, while they can easily access and play it. So, it's quite difficult to have punishment or other things because at this time, online gambling is developing very rapidly with various conveniences and sometimes without data verification or even identity for age. The first is the difficulty in finding or finding evidence that these people are gambling;
Second is the impossibility of imposing fines or restricting access to the site if it is operating on a site that is hosted outside the jurisdiction where the crime was caught.
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I grew up in California and always thought the gambling age was 18. I’m a bit surprised to learn that in most of the country it is 21.
Well, I can assure you that this is the first time I have heard this. All my life, I have always known that gambling is just for 18-year-olds. Even in my country, it's the same thing as what you thought, but you will even see some 16- and 17-year-old kids gambling here.
I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.
Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
In a physical casino, the entry of people who do not have the minimum age can generate very serious consequences for the establishment, from heavy fines to the interdiction of the place and collection of the permission to operate.
However, in an online casino it is much more difficult to apply punishments for two reasons:
The first is the difficulty in finding or finding evidence that these people are gambling;
Second is the impossibility of imposing fines or restricting access to the site if it is operating on a site that is hosted outside the jurisdiction where the crime was caught.
So, I think it's worth making a complaint, if possible, to the body that issued your operating license or to the competent local authorities, but I don't advise you to spend more efforts than that to try to reach a punishment for the site that is committing this offense.
Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
In the past, I once made a topic about age limits in several countries for gambling. And surprisingly, there are those who, in my opinion, are still under-aged but are allowed in certain countries. Here are the lists (don't know if there are changes or not).Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53962700
But for other things related to online casinos, maybe this will be different. Because there are some casinos that do require YC to become their users. However, what about casinos that don't need KYC, then this won't be a problem. In this case, actually gambling for children or under-age needs control from parents, because emotionally, they are usually more unstable. It is feared that there are some negative effects that easily attack them.
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Are there differences in the risk level of the 3?
I don't believe there's a huge difference in the risk among the three options. All of them carry risks, and there isn't one that is safer than the others. However, there might be variations in age restrictions, such as in Florida or Connecticut where poker may have a higher age restriction compared to gambling in a casino or sports betting. This could be probably that poker is potentially less addictive than other forms of gambling. However, this is purly based on my own guess.Are there differences in the risk level of the 3?
In my country, people can gamble even at a younger age. Personally, I have witnessed some underage gamblers participating in sports betting on a weekly basis without any apparent issues. It's possible that they are engaging in illegal gambling and keeping it a secret from the government.
In my country, the age is 18+ but I think the law should be amended. This is because some people are 18 and yet no source of income. It should be when an individual is able to earn, that is when they should gamble.
Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
I have never seen any underage gambling being exposed. The minimum age to gamble should be 21 years. And anyone one below such age found gambling should be punished. I mean legal action should be taken against the person. I suggest that individuals be made to write an essay on negative effect of gambling addiction on underaged gamblers. They should also have the person sit through lectures on gambling addiction and attend Gambling Anonymous meetings. This is to enable see firsthand the inherent dangers of gambling when it goes out of hand. Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?
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Yes, parents are the first people who should be questioned why their underage children can access gambling sites, I mean when they give freedom to hold cellphones for example, they should also control what their children do with their cellphones. I think it is quite easy to see slightly different behavior when their children have become users who play gambling. From money for example, surely children who are still minors have money from their parents' gifts, and as parents must have set aside how much their monthly / weekly / daily money is, when they look more extravagant then it is suspicious which then must be followed up.Maybe we will think as parents we should check our children's cellphones frequently, but in my opinion it is less effective because children who are still minors now may be more adept at using cellphones than their parents. Although we also have to do that.
I disagree that checking a child's phone regularly is "less effective" owing to their strong digital skills. Even if today's kids are tech-savvy, parents must be vigilant and discuss proper online behaviour.
Yes, parents are the first people who should be questioned why their underage children can access gambling sites, I mean when they give freedom to hold cellphones for example, they should also control what their children do with their cellphones. I think it is quite easy to see slightly different behavior when their children have become users who play gambling. From money for example, surely children who are still minors have money from their parents' gifts, and as parents must have set aside how much their monthly / weekly / daily money is, when they look more extravagant then it is suspicious which then must be followed up.
Sometimes it really looks like most parents in so-called developed countries don't even try to raise their children, they just feed them, cloth them, buy them stuff and outsource looking after them to schools or nurseries.
Controlling what kids do on their phones gets almost impossible when we're talking about late teens. If you didn't teach your kids self-control and installed proper values by then, there's not much you can do.
In terms of preventing them from gambling, the best you could do is control their finances and monitor their spending. To gamble online they'd have to make an online deposit, for which you'd need a bank account. I don't even know if it'd be possible to make such deposit from a junior account.
That is very complicated. There's no time for regulators to identify who the parents are. The easiest way for them to take action is to sue the site for allowing minors. Of course, no gambling sites would permit a minor to gamble. Even if they don't require KYC at first, once you sign up with the site, you agree that you are not underage. However, in some cases, individuals may easily lie.
Therefore, as parents, we have a duty to always control what children access. In the case of those who misuse personal data, things like using data from the internet, stealing and currently a lot of personal data are also being sold. It's hard to appreciate, apart from being the parents' job, who really have to be able to monitor the child's movements when they are identified as accessing gambling.All these things must be under the control of the parents, so that the children don't go out of hand and only do things that are not harmful for them and their parents, and if they do something like that, I would blame the parents more than the children themselves because they are not yet mature enough.
Maybe we will think as parents we should check our children's cellphones frequently, but in my opinion it is less effective because children who are still minors now may be more adept at using cellphones than their parents. Although we also have to do that.
I never know what kind of legal action will occur when minors gamble, because they can take other people's identity documents to verify KYC completely, be it their family or from other parties. Children now understand technology much more and they can even easily enter online gambling sites that exist for now in a way that they know. Legal action will make blocking of the account most likely and they will no longer be able to access the site and that's all I know about legal action.
Some gamble site here in my country will frustrate you when you use third party identity to complete your KYC because you can not be able to withdraw your funds unless you bind your account. To bind account successfully, the name on the account has to tally with the name on the identity submitted for KYC otherwise both your deposit and winning is gone. You can decide to use others identity to bypass the age requirement but I don't think one will be comfortable to use others account too.I don't know how they're operating in your country but that's how it works here. Although minors are still playing offline where you'll just walk into one of their agent shop and place your bets without having to open account with them. There's a banner placed everywhere around those shops with caption "under 18 not allowed" but children of ten years are gambling.
The purpose of KYC procedure is to eliminate the underage and the people from restricted countries. But there is always a chance for people to manipulate the data, they can use fake data to register on the casino sites. Casino must have a good mechanism to validate the data, but Casino has no ability to know who is the real user of the account. As I said above, underage can use his parents data, while people from restricted area can use other people data from permitted area. No mechanism is perfect, even a strong security can be hacked by scammers.
There are many purposes of KYC not just the two that you mentioned. There is that; It is used for the government to get involved in the casino so that they can legally tax them. KYC can also be used to possibly prevent or reduce the fraudulent activity inside the casino.If the casino is not strict enough in terms of KYC verifications then yes it can be bypassed easily if the gambler is also wise enough. Inside job can also happen where the casino can get bribes in exchange of immediate access and these gamblers will not be asked by a KYC in the future. There are casinos who doesn't mandate a KYC but only restrict some certain countries. This can easily be bypassed by using a VPN but this was still risky because our accounts or withdrawals can get blocked later on.
We do know that they do really love that taxation everywhere and here or anywhere.
The purpose of KYC procedure is to eliminate the underage and the people from restricted countries. But there is always a chance for people to manipulate the data, they can use fake data to register on the casino sites. Casino must have a good mechanism to validate the data, but Casino has no ability to know who is the real user of the account. As I said above, underage can use his parents data, while people from restricted area can use other people data from permitted area. No mechanism is perfect, even a strong security can be hacked by scammers.
... There are casinos who doesn't mandate a KYC but only restrict some certain countries. This can easily be bypassed by using a VPN but this was still risky because our accounts or withdrawals can get blocked later on.In my opinion, it is not worth it; to risk one's money for the sake of gambling without going through the KYC process.
It is just better to stick to reputable a long standing casinos and services, at least one can assume that they would gather and store our information in a safe way.
While, I can understand why people would go for non-KYC ones, using a VPN to bypass the ToS of the casino is foolish.
The purpose of KYC procedure is to eliminate the underage and the people from restricted countries. But there is always a chance for people to manipulate the data, they can use fake data to register on the casino sites. Casino must have a good mechanism to validate the data, but Casino has no ability to know who is the real user of the account. As I said above, underage can use his parents data, while people from restricted area can use other people data from permitted area. No mechanism is perfect, even a strong security can be hacked by scammers.
There are many purposes of KYC not just the two that you mentioned. There is that; It is used for the government to get involved in the casino so that they can legally tax them. KYC can also be used to possibly prevent or reduce the fraudulent activity inside the casino.If the casino is not strict enough in terms of KYC verifications then yes it can be bypassed easily if the gambler is also wise enough. Inside job can also happen where the casino can get bribes in exchange of immediate access and these gamblers will not be asked by a KYC in the future. There are casinos who doesn't mandate a KYC but only restrict some certain countries. This can easily be bypassed by using a VPN but this was still risky because our accounts or withdrawals can get blocked later on.
That is very complicated. There's no time for regulators to identify who the parents are. The easiest way for them to take action is to sue the site for allowing minors. Of course, no gambling sites would permit a minor to gamble. Even if they don't require KYC at first, once you sign up with the site, you agree that you are not underage. However, in some cases, individuals may easily lie.
Therefore, as parents, we have a duty to always control what children access. In the case of those who misuse personal data, things like using data from the internet, stealing and currently a lot of personal data are also being sold. It's hard to appreciate, apart from being the parents' job, who really have to be able to monitor the child's movements when they are identified as accessing gambling.All these things must be under the control of the parents, so that the children don't go out of hand and only do things that are not harmful for them and their parents, and if they do something like that, I would blame the parents more than the children themselves because they are not yet mature enough.
for crypto casinos maybe KYC verification is more organized. but for other online casinos, especially those that focus on access with fiat or even those with applications such as slot games. Data verification is rarely important in games like that.
I don't see the difference between crypto casinos and other online casinos. KYC should be organized and the verification must be important. Any type of casinos will follow the same rules, they must exclude the underage. But the problem is on the way to validate the data, it is always a chance to manipulate it, no matter how strict the process is.still, children who are still in school or not old enough according to regulations can still access gambling applications. After all, there are people who do not like KYC, and some casinos and gambling sites can make it easy for them to keep playing.
In each country, the age limit can be different. But generally, school kids shouldn't join gambling since they are actually underage. They are not mature enough to play gambling, it may lead to early addiction.Jump to: