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Quote from: TelolettOm on July 04, 2023, 07:52:51 PM

Quote from: noormcs5 on July 03, 2023, 07:59:27 PM

This is another issue with the KYC, that is FAKE documents submit to pass the KYC (And I will discuss this separately) but if the casino can't check if the data provided with us is real or fake, then what is the purpose of the KYC. Casinos should have a mechanism to verify the data and an intelligent system that can detect fake ID Cards, driving licenses, and/or passport submissions.

They could make use of live camera technology to scan these documents but the point is that once they make an effort to collect real data, they should also make use of that data correctly, which means that they should filter the minors and deny them the opportunity to gamble.

The purpose of KYC procedure is to eliminate the underage and the people from restricted countries. But there is always a chance for people to manipulate the data, they can use fake data to register on the casino sites. Casino must have a good mechanism to validate the data, but Casino has no ability to know who is the real user of the account. As I said above, underage can use his parents data, while people from restricted area can use other people data from permitted area. No mechanism is perfect, even a strong security can be hacked by scammers.

for crypto casinos maybe KYC verification is more organized. but for other online casinos, especially those that focus on access with fiat or even those with applications such as slot games. Data verification is rarely important in games like that.
still, children who are still in school or not old enough according to regulations can still access gambling applications. After all, there are people who do not like KYC, and some casinos and gambling sites can make it easy for them to keep playing.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 04:28:18 PM

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?

In the country where I live, according to statistics, out of four people engaged in gambling, three are under 24 years old. Therefore, it turns out that the statistics around the world are similar. Young people who are full of ambition and have already graduated from school dream of winning money and retiring before the age of thirty. Remember what we were like, we dreamed about the same thing!

I think a lot of poker rooms and casinos are ready to work with people of any age, as long as they replenish the deposit. After all, there is a casino without KYC confirmation.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on July 04, 2023, 06:07:47 PM

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the maturity of the person is really a subjective matter. and that is also the reason why each country has different approach when it comes to the legality of a person who can go into gambling
and the access of these online gambling sites these days is now quite easy, no wonder the number of young people that are getting hook in gambling is fast increasing. they dont need to go to physical casino and get into trouble anymore. just connect to the net and they are in.

like in my city right now it's clear that minors are prohibited from gambling because they don't have good emotional control and there are some minors who secretly play slots on fiat sites and they always bet with stolen money because they no longer has good control, so there is a truth that gambling limits the age of being able to gamble because indeed an adult mind is needed, even for someone who is an adult, it is still difficult to control emotions.
and all of this is supported by the ease of accessing gambling nowadays because anyone who can access the internet can go online gambling at any time and unfortunately this fiat site does not require KYC to gamble so casinos don't seem to care about the age limit of gamblers. this is very bad at fiat gambling in my area.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 03, 2023, 07:59:27 PM

This is another issue with the KYC, that is FAKE documents submit to pass the KYC (And I will discuss this separately) but if the casino can't check if the data provided with us is real or fake, then what is the purpose of the KYC. Casinos should have a mechanism to verify the data and an intelligent system that can detect fake ID Cards, driving licenses, and/or passport submissions.

They could make use of live camera technology to scan these documents but the point is that once they make an effort to collect real data, they should also make use of that data correctly, which means that they should filter the minors and deny them the opportunity to gamble.

The purpose of KYC procedure is to eliminate the underage and the people from restricted countries. But there is always a chance for people to manipulate the data, they can use fake data to register on the casino sites. Casino must have a good mechanism to validate the data, but Casino has no ability to know who is the real user of the account. As I said above, underage can use his parents data, while people from restricted area can use other people data from permitted area. No mechanism is perfect, even a strong security can be hacked by scammers.

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Quote from: Youngkhngdiddy on July 04, 2023, 03:00:17 PM

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In my opinion, the level of responsibility of the gambler is unlikely to change much in three years. Personally, it took me much longer to change my views on gambling, but I also started gambling much earlier than 18.

I think that 18+ or 21+ limitations are just conventions that aren't effective because some people at 18 already know where they want to work and achieve their goals, while others spend their entire lives changing jobs hoping to find the right one, but never find it.

the maturity of the person is really a subjective matter. and that is also the reason why each country has different approach when it comes to the legality of a person who can go into gambling
and the access of these online gambling sites these days is now quite easy, no wonder the number of young people that are getting hook in gambling is fast increasing. they dont need to go to physical casino and get into trouble anymore. just connect to the net and they are in.

Even with the restrictions that are set by different country for the minimum age to gambler, since the creation of cryptocurrency and the no KYC cryptocurrency Casinos it had been very different for casinos to know whether there gambler are up to the age to gamble or not. The age regulations in gambling can be carried out by fiat casinos because the owner account can even be tracked through KYC that will be done by each customers that want to gamble. Gambling is a thing if choice and we need to know how to go about what we want so that it will not look like we are doing it excessively.

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 04, 2023, 03:18:30 PM

Quote from: Youngkhngdiddy on July 04, 2023, 03:00:17 PM

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In my opinion, the level of responsibility of the gambler is unlikely to change much in three years. Personally, it took me much longer to change my views on gambling, but I also started gambling much earlier than 18.

I think that 18+ or 21+ limitations are just conventions that aren't effective because some people at 18 already know where they want to work and achieve their goals, while others spend their entire lives changing jobs hoping to find the right one, but never find it.

the maturity of the person is really a subjective matter. and that is also the reason why each country has different approach when it comes to the legality of a person who can go into gambling
and the access of these online gambling sites these days is now quite easy, no wonder the number of young people that are getting hook in gambling is fast increasing. they dont need to go to physical casino and get into trouble anymore. just connect to the net and they are in.

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I believe that there may be gambling sites that allow users of any age to access their platform without verifying if they are above 18. This lack of KYC requirements is problematic and can have a negative impact on teenagers to be honest.

Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 04:28:18 PM

Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?

As I mentioned, some casino sites aren't implementing any type of age verification, which in my opinion is not good. I firmly believe that every gambling site should require age proof to ensure that only legal-age gamblers can use their platform.

Like personally I know some kids in my country who are as young as 14 or 15 and are gambling without any issues. Surprisingly, even their parents are unaware of their activity too.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 04:28:18 PM

I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?

Casinos are legally obligated to not allow minors to gamble, so once they know for sure or they even suspect the person behind the account that has been gambling with them is a minor then the account should be closed or at least it will be frozen until it is proven otherwise, after all even if I am in favor of people having as much freedom as they want, there are things that should be restricted until people have the mental maturity to deal with them, and gambling is one of them.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 04, 2023, 04:23:41 PM

But in the case of online casinos, there are various tricks that young children can do to gamble without getting caught. i mean they do KYC using their parents data. cases like this, difficult to trace. So, how do we find out if this user is really an adult.

Casinos do not yet have the feature of detecting user age while playing gambling but they only get user information from KYC verification, casinos have complied with applicable regulations so there is nothing wrong with their rules, but parents are to blame for negligence in maintaining the accessibility of their gambling account or account verification services from irresponsible third parties.

I think the implementation of KYC is maximal to determine the age limit of users, even though there are some users who are underage because they use identity data from other people, but I believe that the case is very low and maybe a trusted casino can suspect abnormal gambling activity from the account to be sanctioned or the account will be suspended.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 04:28:18 PM

I came across an article How Old Do You Have to Be to Gamble in USA?. In this article, i saw that the minimum age to gamble is between 18 to 21 years. I wonder if the online casino do follow this minimum age for gambling.

Yes, the gambling sites have our age data through the KYC documents. Do they ever restrict anyone who is underage to not to gamble?
Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?

I'm not an American citizen, so I don't know the jurisdiction regarding what happens when minors gamble. but at least, the age limits allowed by each country will not be too different. minimum, 18+ and above. well, referring to your question, I honestly can't give the right answer. because, I am not a law enforcer who can decide or sanction those who violate the applicable rules. Usually in land based casinos a minor can't enter the casinos.

But in the case of online casinos, there are various tricks that young children can do to gamble without getting caught. i mean they do KYC using their parents data. cases like this, difficult to trace. So, how do we find out if this user is really an adult. Also, any casino that has a trusted license will not allow minors to conduct gambling sessions on their sites. because, they will obey the rules stated in the license + prohibit minors from gambling.
So, I think if the casino is licensed and trusted. very clear, they will comply with applicable regulations and even prohibit users who are not yet an adult. however, if casinos were illegal, cases of underage gambling could occur. and if they are proven, the competent authorities in the country can prosecute them and bring them to court.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on July 04, 2023, 10:10:26 AM

Most of the casinos right now are following the law and doing KYC, and for sure they know the age of the gamblers that are registering on the platform, so for sure they are following the law and not violating it except for those online casinos that are illegally operated and do not force KYC on the platform. In my country, the minimum age that you can gamble is 18 and above, and in other countries, it is higher, which really depends on the country.

Unlike physical casinos on which there's no way that youngsters would really be able to play or getting in on the premises of such place unlike when we do talk about online platforms on which there's no way
that it could filter out those people who are young to play on a site whether if we are talking about casino platforms which are licensed or not because they arent really asking for some documentation first
before you could play on which you would really be just given up some prompt whether you are 18+ above or not and people could simply tick out that checkbox and then you're good to go.
Usually this falls down on that legal age of 18 most of the time if we do speak on things which does really require that enough age on dealing with it.

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Quote from: Youngkhngdiddy on July 04, 2023, 03:00:17 PM

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In my opinion, the level of responsibility of the gambler is unlikely to change much in three years. Personally, it took me much longer to change my views on gambling, but I also started gambling much earlier than 18.

I think that 18+ or 21+ limitations are just conventions that aren't effective because some people at 18 already know where they want to work and achieve their goals, while others spend their entire lives changing jobs hoping to find the right one, but never find it.

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It varies for different sites and in different countries but the general age bracket worldwide is from 18-21 but left for me I'll say 21 because generally most people are prone to making more mistakes at their teenage age, I don't know if I'm allowed to called it the teenage age syndrome. Though 18 years is considered adult in our society but I still classify them as teenagers because most people still leave their teenage life and still act childish at that age but get more matured and experienced in adulthood when they get to 20 and above.

Now back to the question like I mentioned earlier I'll considered 21 years to be the minimum age of gambling because at 21 you're more matured and responsible for your actions whether good or bad. And at the age of 18 you're just gradually stepping into adult level of your life and have new experience so I find it not suitable for one who's about experiencing adult lifestyle to start by gambling which we all know have many negative effects like low self-esteem, mental health disorder, depression and several others.

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Quote from: naira on July 04, 2023, 10:28:08 AM

Quote from: maydna on July 04, 2023, 09:37:31 AM

When it comes to online casinos, kids are caught out if they are kids when they are asked to do KYC by the casinos so they don't unless they borrow an adult's identity. And it seems like this is an easy thing for minors because they can borrow the identity without difficulty.

But if minors play at crypto casinos, it seems they can freely play casino gambling because there are still many crypto casinos that don't require KYC verification and only use email. There are even casinos that only require a wallet-to-casino connection so that minors can buy coins at exchanges that are verified by adults and have them sent to their personal wallets.

I am still optimistic that there are still quite a lot of gambling cases for minors, maybe the average age is below the average for people who play more online games. In this case it may be that minors from countries other than the US are still prohibited from accessing casinos or operating crypto casinos. But do not rule out environmental factors that influence.

Are there any cases you mentioned of minors smoothly running crypto casinos? and how is their scheme when it comes to controlling crypto wallets? Doesn't it take a little skill and knowledge enough? This is just my big question mark because as far as I know, minors use fiat currency more than crypto.

Some uses this techbology, ofcourse, because of restrictions concerninf age. We have to accept it that the generations now aare more inclined with technology. This is why KYC is implied to many gambling sites especially with web 3.0 to somehow lessen young ones' exposure of this technology. Unfortunately, there are just ways which still allows gamblers below 18 years old to still gamble in this platform. As we all know, this restiction of age is concerned with their capability of gambling. They are mostly not having jobs to suffice and that also means thir money would be coming from other means such as from their parents and such. They would be more prone to addiction given that they are getting the money that they gamble, easier.

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Age in gambling is similar to that of alcohol. Just the way that underage drinks alcohol in secrete or openly is what is also applied to in gambling. In a country that gambling is legalize underage people will still gamble. We are humans and we would always have people who must break the law for their own personal interest. We need to understand that there is an age that a teen will feel that he is big enough to be an adult or he can do whatever an adult does. At this age withing the age range of 14-17yrs youths go into gambling a lot either online or offline. There are casinos who don't ask for KYC and these set of youths can take their time to make research of such casinos and gamble secretly on them.

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Quote from: maydna on July 04, 2023, 09:37:31 AM

When it comes to online casinos, kids are caught out if they are kids when they are asked to do KYC by the casinos so they don't unless they borrow an adult's identity. And it seems like this is an easy thing for minors because they can borrow the identity without difficulty.

But if minors play at crypto casinos, it seems they can freely play casino gambling because there are still many crypto casinos that don't require KYC verification and only use email. There are even casinos that only require a wallet-to-casino connection so that minors can buy coins at exchanges that are verified by adults and have them sent to their personal wallets.

I am still optimistic that there are still quite a lot of gambling cases for minors, maybe the average age is below the average for people who play more online games. In this case it may be that minors from countries other than the US are still prohibited from accessing casinos or operating crypto casinos. But do not rule out environmental factors that influence.

Are there any cases you mentioned of minors smoothly running crypto casinos? and how is their scheme when it comes to controlling crypto wallets? Doesn't it take a little skill and knowledge enough? This is just my big question mark because as far as I know, minors use fiat currency more than crypto.

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Most of the casinos right now are following the law and doing KYC, and for sure they know the age of the gamblers that are registering on the platform, so for sure they are following the law and not violating it except for those online casinos that are illegally operated and do not force KYC on the platform. In my country, the minimum age that you can gamble is 18 and above, and in other countries, it is higher, which really depends on the country.

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Kids in US can get drivers permit starting from age 14, start driving by themselves from 18 and get alcohol from 21. In most Europe countries kids can get the same starting from 18. Lots of kids leave their nest as soon as they hit 18. At some countries, starting from age 16, kids are allowed to operate with money and start working (basically they can become sellers, or allowed to use cashdesk in McDonalds). And I am not talking how progressive kids are now in adult industry and the age they get full access to the internet. Someone really think there must be a real age minimum for gambling ? 18 yo is a proper age to be able to do anything imho.

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What people are forget is the centralized group e.g. government, site, etc implemented such rule because they just want to play safe and get respected by other nations.

The government and the casino ask minimum of 18 years old in order to gamble, but they're not asking KYC in the first time during registration. The casino don't allow an addict to gamble in their casino, but people who have gamble a lot money always lose and they didn't stop it.

They stop it when the case went viral and they will gain reputation after doing that, for small case they will close their eyes.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 01, 2023, 04:28:18 PM

Also, if we find any site allowing minors to gamble, can legal action be taken against them?

The legal action taken will usually apply to the child's parents because the underage age range is still under parental control.

That is very complicated. There's no time for regulators to identify who the parents are. The easiest way for them to take action is to sue the site for allowing minors. Of course, no gambling sites would permit a minor to gamble. Even if they don't require KYC at first, once you sign up with the site, you agree that you are not underage. However, in some cases, individuals may easily lie.

When it comes to online casinos, kids are caught out if they are kids when they are asked to do KYC by the casinos so they don't unless they borrow an adult's identity. And it seems like this is an easy thing for minors because they can borrow the identity without difficulty.

But if minors play at crypto casinos, it seems they can freely play casino gambling because there are still many crypto casinos that don't require KYC verification and only use email. There are even casinos that only require a wallet-to-casino connection so that minors can buy coins at exchanges that are verified by adults and have them sent to their personal wallets.

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