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Quote from: virasog on February 02, 2020, 01:49:21 AM

The best way to stop the faucet abusers is to give the faucet only when the balance is NIL. In this way, a person cannot claim another faucet unless he has lost all the faucet amount in gambling and of course there is no way to withdraw the tiny faucet amount.

Not as simple as that, in fact most faucet on gambling sites are able to be claimed once user's balance is Zero but still there are many people who tried to abuse it.
Faucet abusers will keep on claiming the faucet only with no intentions to do real gambling by making deposit. Once they claim the faucet, they will use it to play, if lose then they will come back again.
They can create many accounts for faucet especially if the amount of the faucet is good enough. That's what we call with faucet abusers.

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Quote from: darewaller on February 01, 2020, 10:55:47 AM

Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

I agree with you, indeed the average gambling site provides faucets or freecoins not to be collected. But for try playing on the site.
I experienced it myself, there are several gambling sites after I tried playing with freecoins capital apparently the system is quite fair
in my opinion. And I immediately without hesitation made a deposit to play gambling on the site. So I also plan to start gambling on
the mintdice site starting with faucets first.

The best way to stop the faucet abusers is to give the faucet only when the balance is NIL. In this way, a person cannot claim another faucet unless he has lost all the faucet amount in gambling and of course there is no way to withdraw the tiny faucet amount.

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Quote from: darewaller on February 01, 2020, 10:55:47 AM

Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

I agree with you, indeed the average gambling site provides faucets or freecoins not to be collected. But for try playing on the site.
I experienced it myself, there are several gambling sites after I tried playing with freecoins capital apparently the system is quite fair
in my opinion. And I immediately without hesitation made a deposit to play gambling on the site. So I also plan to start gambling on
the mintdice site starting with faucets first.

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Quote from: darewaller on February 01, 2020, 10:55:47 AM

Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

We already have play money in our faucet too. It gets used a surprisingly large amount. We might gamify it's value down the road as well later.

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Quote from: adaseb on January 29, 2020, 01:37:57 AM

Just use play money or have some promos for your loyal members.

This is a good suggestion and might be a good alternative to fight those faucet abusers. If there's no choice, this could be the last option so these abusers will stopped what they do with the faucet abuse on mintdice.

Quote from: theskillzdatklls on January 31, 2020, 11:59:12 PM

On that note, I hope our rain platform is coming out soon, I've played with it on testnet a little so it's at least getting close but I can't quite give a launch date for it yet.

Also, a good option to use rains instead of faucets and hoping that no more abusing will be found.

Even so guys, this faucet abuse you're talking about there's no real benefit for players to use it other than just gaining insight about the games. So, even if there's a few people relying on the faucets the amounts are not enough to withdraw or play games where you can win for real money etc. And if the faucets are not built with these strategies in mind then rather than limiting the potential number of future customers by removing the faucets like you lot suggest which won't be sustainable not to mention that it won't look good on the casino, why not instead use the technology available to limit the power of the faucets in the way I mentioned above? This is something other casinos do btw

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Quote from: adaseb on January 29, 2020, 01:37:57 AM

Just use play money or have some promos for your loyal members.

This is a good suggestion and might be a good alternative to fight those faucet abusers. If there's no choice, this could be the last option so these abusers will stopped what they do with the faucet abuse on mintdice.

Quote from: theskillzdatklls on January 31, 2020, 11:59:12 PM

On that note, I hope our rain platform is coming out soon, I've played with it on testnet a little so it's at least getting close but I can't quite give a launch date for it yet.

Also, a good option to use rains instead of faucets and hoping that no more abusing will be found.

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Maybe there could still be a way to save faucets in all of casinos but I doubt it will ever happen, just to give an example, maybe there could be "play money" type of thing where it worths zero in real life unlike satoshis casinos give out for faucets, that way people could gamble with that fake money and get the fun of the website and they could actually end up liking the website thanks to it and deposit real money and gamble? Wasn't that the purpose of faucet? To show people what kind of website this is and make them gamble without risking anything before they deposit money?

Well, if that is the case people who do not want to deposit but first want to try, can do that with fake play money and after they decide if they like it or not they could deposit or not deposit depending on if they liked it or not.

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Quote from: ReiMomo on January 31, 2020, 11:21:35 PM

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Quote from: CaVO32 on January 29, 2020, 08:25:14 PM

but when it comes to casinos, you can only claim from the faucet if you don't have balance in your account. it is not that you can claim again even if you have the minimum balance to play.

on the other note, it is nice to hear that there are a lot of plans for mintdice. continuous improvement will aid in keeping the interest of players alive. they will look forward to additional features or rewards and what's in it for them as a gambler or investor.

Faucet has its role is a free money to test casinos and to get familiarized yourself with the casino platforms. How to gamble, win and lose money (faucet money). Some casinos ask for real deposits to withdraw money.

As I see, faucet plays its role to keep gamblers on casinos, and don't leave when their balance falls to zero after lost gambling orders.

Faucet is good for testing the gambling platform only but if you are looking forward to the money that might you get, you might be wrong.
It needs to have at least 1 transaction of deposit before you can allow withdrawing the faucet even your faucet claim reached 1BTC.(which is impossible) Afterall, the faucet is good to lure gambler and will stay on site.

If dev of this site want implement that for people to test their sit then it's good but if this option abused by some crazy bettors then it's another story then better to take this off and have another option like putting some test money for fair testing and abuse free site. But it's up to the owners decision on what is the counteraction they do since it's really good thing to have those option since actually it's certainly helpful for stretching up when betting.

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Quote from: justdimin on January 29, 2020, 10:00:50 AM

^^ The reality is that many people live in third world nations where even 1 dollar a day is a decent income, 30 dollars a month may not be good enough to live off from but it would certainly help them a long way as well, so to abuse the faucets is actually a decent way to make money for many of them.

So, I do understand them, they want just a small amount of money to make a living for themselves, however the method they are doing it is actually could be considered criminal, it is against the rules of the website and you can't just take their money without their permission even if it "looks like" you are doing something you are allowed to do. That is why I don't blame all the casinos that removed their faucets, if people don't use it properly, they don't deserve it all together.

We, to date, actually have no problem with real people using our faucet which gives out a very healthy 100 satoshis per use. We have a problem with bots using our site, which we'll fight against until either we win or the bots win and we shut it down ( so far we're winning

)

If real people want to use our faucet regularly, play in a non-abusive and friendly manner and chat and all that good stuff, they are more than welcome to not deposit and use the faucet and one day withdraw as far as we are concerned.

On that note, I hope our rain platform is coming out soon, I've played with it on testnet a little so it's at least getting close but I can't quite give a launch date for it yet.

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Quote from: hd49728 on January 31, 2020, 11:11:33 PM

Quote from: CaVO32 on January 29, 2020, 08:25:14 PM

but when it comes to casinos, you can only claim from the faucet if you don't have balance in your account. it is not that you can claim again even if you have the minimum balance to play.

on the other note, it is nice to hear that there are a lot of plans for mintdice. continuous improvement will aid in keeping the interest of players alive. they will look forward to additional features or rewards and what's in it for them as a gambler or investor.

Faucet has its role is a free money to test casinos and to get familiarized yourself with the casino platforms. How to gamble, win and lose money (faucet money). Some casinos ask for real deposits to withdraw money.

As I see, faucet plays its role to keep gamblers on casinos, and don't leave when their balance falls to zero after lost gambling orders.

Faucet is good for testing the gambling platform only but if you are looking forward to the money that might you get, you might be wrong.
It needs to have at least 1 transaction of deposit before you can allow withdrawing the faucet even your faucet claim reached 1BTC.(which is impossible) Afterall, the faucet is good to lure gambler and will stay on site.

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Quote from: CaVO32 on January 29, 2020, 08:25:14 PM

but when it comes to casinos, you can only claim from the faucet if you don't have balance in your account. it is not that you can claim again even if you have the minimum balance to play.

on the other note, it is nice to hear that there are a lot of plans for mintdice. continuous improvement will aid in keeping the interest of players alive. they will look forward to additional features or rewards and what's in it for them as a gambler or investor.

Faucet has its role is a free money to test casinos and to get familiarized yourself with the casino platforms. How to gamble, win and lose money (faucet money). Some casinos ask for real deposits to withdraw money.

As I see, faucet plays its role to keep gamblers on casinos, and don't leave when their balance falls to zero after lost gambling orders.

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Quote from: justdimin on January 29, 2020, 10:00:50 AM

^^ The reality is that many people live in third world nations where even 1 dollar a day is a decent income, 30 dollars a month may not be good enough to live off from but it would certainly help them a long way as well, so to abuse the faucets is actually a decent way to make money for many of them.

So, I do understand them, they want just a small amount of money to make a living for themselves, however the method they are doing it is actually could be considered criminal, it is against the rules of the website and you can't just take their money without their permission even if it "looks like" you are doing something you are allowed to do. That is why I don't blame all the casinos that removed their faucets, if people don't use it properly, they don't deserve it all together.

but when it comes to casinos, you can only claim from the faucet if you don't have balance in your account. it is not that you can claim again even if you have the minimum balance to play.

on the other note, it is nice to hear that there are a lot of plans for mintdice. continuous improvement will aid in keeping the interest of players alive. they will look forward to additional features or rewards and what's in it for them as a gambler or investor.

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^^ The reality is that many people live in third world nations where even 1 dollar a day is a decent income, 30 dollars a month may not be good enough to live off from but it would certainly help them a long way as well, so to abuse the faucets is actually a decent way to make money for many of them.

So, I do understand them, they want just a small amount of money to make a living for themselves, however the method they are doing it is actually could be considered criminal, it is against the rules of the website and you can't just take their money without their permission even if it "looks like" you are doing something you are allowed to do. That is why I don't blame all the casinos that removed their faucets, if people don't use it properly, they don't deserve it all together.

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Quote from: theskillzdatklls on January 28, 2020, 12:00:23 PM

Yes, it is quite sad. Fortunately, so far, in the fight between MintDice and faucet abusers, we actually seem to be winning. Whether or not we can win long term with anti-abuse solutions awaits to be seen.

At first I never really understood why bitcoin casinos had faucet instead of just having some demo or play money. Basically the faucet is a very small amount and as long as the game play is the same then it makes no difference between a faucet or play money.

But then when you learn about bitcoins history you find that the faucet had a big role in the adoption of cryptocurrencies. Remember that faucet back in the day that gave 1 BTC per day? So many bitcoin services and websites have started to include a faucet on their site.

Eventually due to large fees, faucets were removed for on-chain transactions. The off-chain faucets for casinos still remained pretty much until 2017 which attracted a bad crowd and led to all this abuse and faucet removal or frozen withdraws.

Hence what casinos do these days is smarter. Just use play money or have some promos for your loyal members.

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Quote from: iram3130 on January 27, 2020, 02:48:06 AM

The background music of Plinko is quite holding and I played for like an hour at once... Grin

Not a big fan of these games, I get more enjoyment than winning or loosing. Hope to get new games soon.

I'm glad to hear you like the music actually. Depends a lot on the person for sure so how to deal with this we haven't exactly figured out. I'm a little disappointed you don't like the games but we're trying our best with a whole new suite of games coming up as you know

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Quote from: Sadlife on January 26, 2020, 04:16:43 AM

The design looks great but the sidebar menu looks it kinda need more styling, i dont know if its just me but im using android, so maybe its different in a desktop browser.

Sadly, the site isn't ready yet for android but you could make it more responsive i think the functions will work the same.

Also could you add blackjack or betting games for sport games

Hey Sadlife, welcome

It is getting completely restyled and mobile ready... Ideally our plan is to launch this 2.0 product in May if all goes to plan but no promises.

As far as games, at that same time point in May with the 2.0 redesign we plan to launch sports betting. Blackjack is not on the immediate time horizon but hasn't been ruled out either, but I'd suspect that at the earliest that would come 2-3 years from now so don't hold your breath Wink

It is nice to see that Mintdice has many attractive plans for the 2.0 version, hopefully all goes as planned. No need to be in a rush for the 2.0 version, make sure everything works fine first before launching the 2.0. Maybe having a closed beta test phase for the 2.0 would be better so you can get some feedback before the official release.

We do have a testnet that we use prior to deployment for anything. Since this will be a bigger than normal release when it comes out, I'll ask if we can have a few private beta testers. Thanks for the idea.

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Quote from: darewaller on January 27, 2020, 10:59:46 AM

It is too sad that almost all casinos that offer faucet is having troubles with faucet abusers, it is really a shame because most places for example started to remove or already removed their faucet since it did more harm than help them.

You can't blame them (casinos) for removing that feature, as you've said its being abused heavily by those who knows how to manipulate the system. Whats funny is if this people can send that loophole to the developers of online casinos, they can earn bounty for that.

Quote from: darewaller on January 27, 2020, 10:59:46 AM

The idea behind faucet wasn't to get people earn money, it wasn't even really just help the poor people feel like they gamble neither, it was to show people what type of website a casino is and get them to play and see and if they enjoy the faucet part of the deal, they might also deposit as well. That is the real reason why faucets on casinos really first started.

Agree and its not only for that reason, like for myself who is with Bitsler for a long time and I use their faucet before it was taken down. Most of the time I use that feature so that I can still continue playing even when I don't have enough funds. You know how it feels when you run out of funds and yet you still have that urge to play. Use that function and keep playing but don't forget to add funds to your wallet and not rely on faucets only.

Yes, it is quite sad. Fortunately, so far, in the fight between MintDice and faucet abusers, we actually seem to be winning. Whether or not we can win long term with anti-abuse solutions awaits to be seen.

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Quote from: darewaller on January 27, 2020, 10:59:46 AM

It is too sad that almost all casinos that offer faucet is having troubles with faucet abusers, it is really a shame because most places for example started to remove or already removed their faucet since it did more harm than help them.

You can't blame them (casinos) for removing that feature, as you've said its being abused heavily by those who knows how to manipulate the system. Whats funny is if this people can send that loophole to the developers of online casinos, they can earn bounty for that.

Quote from: darewaller on January 27, 2020, 10:59:46 AM

The idea behind faucet wasn't to get people earn money, it wasn't even really just help the poor people feel like they gamble neither, it was to show people what type of website a casino is and get them to play and see and if they enjoy the faucet part of the deal, they might also deposit as well. That is the real reason why faucets on casinos really first started.

Agree and its not only for that reason, like for myself who is with Bitsler for a long time and I use their faucet before it was taken down. Most of the time I use that feature so that I can still continue playing even when I don't have enough funds. You know how it feels when you run out of funds and yet you still have that urge to play. Use that function and keep playing but don't forget to add funds to your wallet and not rely on faucets only.

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Quote from: theskillzdatklls on January 26, 2020, 05:18:52 PM

Quote from: Sadlife on January 26, 2020, 04:16:43 AM

The design looks great but the sidebar menu looks it kinda need more styling, i dont know if its just me but im using android, so maybe its different in a desktop browser.

Sadly, the site isn't ready yet for android but you could make it more responsive i think the functions will work the same.

Also could you add blackjack or betting games for sport games

Hey Sadlife, welcome

It is getting completely restyled and mobile ready... Ideally our plan is to launch this 2.0 product in May if all goes to plan but no promises.

As far as games, at that same time point in May with the 2.0 redesign we plan to launch sports betting. Blackjack is not on the immediate time horizon but hasn't been ruled out either, but I'd suspect that at the earliest that would come 2-3 years from now so don't hold your breath Wink

It is nice to see that Mintdice has many attractive plans for the 2.0 version, hopefully all goes as planned. No need to be in a rush for the 2.0 version, make sure everything works fine first before launching the 2.0. Maybe having a closed beta test phase for the 2.0 would be better so you can get some feedback before the official release.

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Quote from: zhekinsp on January 23, 2020, 12:49:57 PM

Tried few browsers and the condition is still the same,I don't think this has anything to do with the browser,its just from the website which takes like 5 or more seconds to get loads up but not having any issues once the website opened up which switching the tabs or games.

There have been some lag issues, this had to do with two major things, dealing with a faucet abuser (with cloudflare) and also improving our sockets. Hopefully both are at least better taken care of now than before. If there continues to be some lag please report it here and if possible be specific and we'll try to fix/improve it.

It is too sad that almost all casinos that offer faucet is having troubles with faucet abusers, it is really a shame because most places for example started to remove or already removed their faucet since it did more harm than help them.

The idea behind faucet wasn't to get people earn money, it wasn't even really just help the poor people feel like they gamble neither, it was to show people what type of website a casino is and get them to play and see and if they enjoy the faucet part of the deal, they might also deposit as well. That is the real reason why faucets on casinos really first started.

However with the amount of technology available, many people literally hacked together a bot that could basically try to abuse faucets as much as possible and get as much money as possible. In the end they can't be making too much money from it, plus they are also making sure no one else can use it neither. It is a loss-loss equation that they are too blind to see.

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The background music of Plinko is quite holding and I played for like an hour at once... Grin

Not a big fan of these games, I get more enjoyment than winning or loosing. Hope to get new games soon.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on January 20, 2020, 07:29:31 AM

I guess it's way more better to put an option to turn the sounds on and off, that's more appropriate here IMO. By the way, am I the only one experiencing this but whenever I open the site it's took a little longer to open up?

not on me mate,it is loading fast and fine .

anyway i have just entered the site recently and created an account and i find no problem loading,the graphics is simply perfect and the site is running smooth.

seems like i have a new found gambling site to spend boredom and enjoy the day.

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