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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 03, 2021, 02:11:18 AM

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Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.
If you didn't watch the fight, there is CBS highlights and recap for this fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxgLs2CdBk4

Lima should not be happy for himself. He can only blame himself. If a fighter fight at opponents homeland, he should be more persuasively in the fight. Like the commentators says "Page dropped Lima twice in the first round" - that was enough for judges.
Even the score card show that. Page won first round thank to those two knockdowns. And second round due to fighters being passive, but Page fought "at home".

I guess the judging systems should be changed or maybe fine-tuned. Because in my eyes, I would have given Lima the win. He started the fight so good but only ended up taking the loss. But I think Lima should have been a bit more aggressive. Because we have seen this earlier a bit biased decisions. So it's always better to try to finish off the fight as early as possible against a home fighter which was not the case for Lima. Whatever, congrats to Page for winning the match.

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MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

If you lengthen the fight so much that the judges have to make a decision, a biased decision is to be expected with a hometown player in the ring. What Lima should have done is play more aggressively. He played a bit passive and that cost him the match. I also feel like that is a kind of biased decision. MMA Judges should be I guess trained more or maybe necessary steps should be taken so that the judge calls are more accurate and unbiased.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 02, 2021, 03:19:50 PM

Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.
If you didn't watch the fight, there is CBS highlights and recap for this fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxgLs2CdBk4

Lima should not be happy for himself. He can only blame himself. If a fighter fight at opponents homeland, he should be more persuasively in the fight. Like the commentators says "Page dropped Lima twice in the first round" - that was enough for judges.

Even the score card show that. Page won first round thank to those two knockdowns. And second round due to fighters being passive, but Page fought "at home".

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MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 02, 2021, 03:19:50 PM

Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.

I am also not happy with the decision but i was surprised with the way in which Michael Page was able to control the fight like he wanted and his wrist control was really good and he was able to avoid the heavy kicks of Douglas Lima for majority of the fight and he learned his lessons from the first fight as he was always fighting from the outside and now the trilogy is inevitable.

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Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.
If you didn't watch the fight, there is CBS highlights and recap for this fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxgLs2CdBk4

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MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

From what I feel like, is that it is very unwise to let the judge make a decision. Because if the judges make the decision, there is a high chance that you might lose even after you played well. Judges should not be biased but biased calls sometimes happen unintentionally. I feel that play aggressively and win your match your way. Letting the judge make a decision only calls for more controversy from what I have seen.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 02, 2021, 11:36:47 AM

I think that the victory was given to Page because he had knockdowns (they are not clear knockdowns, but still they dazed Lima), while Lime did not. Whole fight in general was quite passive, as if they waited when the opponent will make a mistake. These factors must have moved the scales on Pages side. In the second round, when Lima chopped Page with a lowkick, he should not miss that uppercut.
In Russian language there is a proverb "At home, even walls help". This is what helped Page this time. Their fight is another example that fighters should not give fights results in judges hand.

Playing passive is what cost Lima the match. Although both the players played passive, but maybe Page was the less passive one as we just saw from the result. But I agree with you where you said that players should try to fight and gain the victory themselves, but put it in the hand of the judges. Waiting for your opponent to make a mistake is okay, but waiting for too long won't be a good idea.

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I think that the victory was given to Page because he had knockdowns (they are not clear knockdowns, but still they dazed Lima), while Lime did not. Whole fight in general was quite passive, as if they waited when the opponent will make a mistake. These factors must have moved the scales on Pages side. In the second round, when Lima chopped Page with a lowkick, he should not miss that uppercut.

In Russian language there is a proverb "At home, even walls help". This is what helped Page this time. Their fight is another example that fighters should not give fights results in judges hand.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on October 02, 2021, 04:45:59 AM

MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

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It was 2 - 1 for Lima for me. I mean it was close but it really looked like Page didn’t land 20 punches on Lima. IMHO. Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me. What Lima could’ve done was get a take down in the second round. If he had done that, he would’ve gotten the W imho.

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MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

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^ Yup as the line says. He was 1.70 at Stake before they took the whole betting market for this event down. Not sure why they did it. But here’s the thing, Page opened at 2.25 in some books that posted the lines early. The books have Lima at almost 2 to 1 favorite at opening. Hmmmm.. Lima could be the bet here.

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Bellator 267 Prelims are now live on youtube and you can watch them for free, for main card you will have to find some other stream to watch or pay if you want.
I would give slight advantage for Michael Page to win in main event, he has amazing 19-1 record and reach advantage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpQlahuVIPo

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Quote from: notblox1 on September 28, 2021, 02:41:30 PM

Big news for Bellator is new signing of Kai Kamaka III after his contract with UFC expired with one win and two loses.
He will be good addition for featherweight category and one more UFC rejected fighter.

Great event Bellator 267 Lima vs MVP 2 starting in few days with blonde female co-main event Leah McCourt vs Jessica Borga.
After long time this event is happening in London England, but I am not sure how much crowd will be attending it.

https://www.bellator.com/

We’ll see if people drive all the way to the event. I heard gas prices are through the roof in London. Cheesy

The main event is way underappreciated in these parts. I see people flocking over to boxing threads of mostly unknown guys. Lol.. Anyway who you guys got? Page or Lima? I like Page but I don’t like the odds at 1.70.

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Quote from: cygan on September 30, 2021, 06:53:43 AM

the fights for the ksw64 event which will take place on 2021-10-23 are now fixed
the main fight in the atlas arena in lodz was contested by the polish fighter Sebastian Przybysz and the brazilian Bruno Augusto dos Santos
also the fight between Mariusz Pudzianowski and Serigne Ousmane Dia (aka Bombardier) is expected with a lot of tension

Ah yes, KSW, Europes Bellator XD Looking forward to seeing Pejić fight again a glad to see Pudz and Bombardier is back on. I just can't imagine on what sauce is Pudz on. He is 44, jacked to the gills, and actually doing good in his fights. KSW is leaning strongly into the freak show fights. I mean, they tend to have good fights, but over all it always looked like a carnival XD

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the fights for the ksw64 event which will take place on 2021-10-23 are now fixed
the main fight in the atlas arena in lodz was contested by the polish fighter Sebastian Przybysz and the brazilian Bruno Augusto dos Santos
also the fight between Mariusz Pudzianowski and Serigne Ousmane Dia (aka Bombardier) is expected with a lot of tension

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I kinda think that PFL and ONE are better options these days, but you take what you can get I guess. Bellator has fallen down the ladder in the last couple of years and maybe that their past record catching up to them. It's not that they are putting up bad shows, it's just that they have a shitty track record. Just my oppinion.

PFL is heaving a very long breaks without any fights, I can't remember when they had last event, and ONE championship is only having unknown asian fighters recently.
PFL next event is in the end of October and that is not acceptable if you want to be serious in MMA business.
Bellator is more active, fights are happening almost every weekend, and they have bigger names signing for them like Yoel Romero and now Kai Kamaka III.

Fights, in general, are happening more often, but that does not equate to fighters fighting more. So as we are talking about what will put fighters more money in their pockets, it's fighting frequently rather than sporadically. And regarding a serious MMA business, honestly, quantity does not equate to quality, and Bellator has been lacking quality for some time now.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on September 29, 2021, 02:59:41 AM

I kinda think that PFL and ONE are better options these days, but you take what you can get I guess. Bellator has fallen down the ladder in the last couple of years and maybe that their past record catching up to them. It's not that they are putting up bad shows, it's just that they have a shitty track record. Just my oppinion.

PFL is heaving a very long breaks without any fights, I can't remember when they had last event, and ONE championship is only having unknown asian fighters recently.
PFL next event is in the end of October and that is not acceptable if you want to be serious in MMA business.
Bellator is more active, fights are happening almost every weekend, and they have bigger names signing for them like Yoel Romero and now Kai Kamaka III.

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Quote from: notblox1 on September 28, 2021, 02:41:30 PM

Big news for Bellator is new signing of Kai Kamaka III after his contract with UFC expired with one win and two loses.
He will be good addition for featherweight category and one more UFC rejected fighter.

Great event Bellator 267 Lima vs MVP 2 starting in few days with blonde female co-main event Leah McCourt vs Jessica Borga.
After long time this event is happening in London England, but I am not sure how much crowd will be attending it.

https://www.bellator.com/

I kinda think that PFL and ONE are better options these days, but you take what you can get I guess. Bellator has fallen down the ladder in the last couple of years and maybe that their past record catching up to them. It's not that they are putting up bad shows, it's just that they have a shitty track record. Just my oppinion.

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