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I really don't follow DWCS so this is an honest question, but what are the numbers regarding ratings and how is the fan reception to it? Just based on my short time viewing it I really don't find it entertaining or that interesting. When Dana White Looking For A Fight was first out I thought that it had a cool concept that grasped the viewer's attention and had some entertaining value. However, DWCS is just flat and not much more than a televised local promotion. But that's just my 2 cents.

You are wrong, and good thing you are not any factor for this, you should just look how many DWCS fighters signed for UFC in past few months, that shows how Contender Series became main source for new signings.
It's much easier for Dana to organize something in his own arena and fighters came from all over the world to him, then make some blind signings.

What am I missing here? Cheesy

Isn't the main idea of DWCS to get those fighters signed to the promotion Cheesy

Why would I be surprised if the sole thing the show was created for is doing just that? Of course, they are signing fighters. What I am questioning is the entertainment value of the show, not its legitimacy of fighters and potential UFC newcomers. As for entertainment, it falls flat. Sure, you could argue that some of the fights themselves are entertaining, but you could also then argue that watching any UFC fight card from start to finish or any other organization could be considered entertainment and, besides of a couple of honorable mentions, I do not.

Haven’t been watching the last couple DCWS events but the guys who fight in it fight for something more important than money or fame... They fight for their careers and climbing that ladder for the betterment of their lives and the lives of their families. I’m pretty sure everybody gets it and would appreciate it from that perspective.

And if all else fails, makes bets. That should entertain you. Lol. Grin

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Then you should go in octagon and try to fight with one of those fighters tosee how much entertaining fighting is, but you probably got in the fight last time back in the school Cheesy

This is not circus show with McGregor and other freaks breaking buses just to sell payperview, its simply fightning and I saw many spectacular fighters that came from DWCS, but you don't know that because you don't follow it.
One of them is Marina Rodriguez who is fightinh in main UFC event in few days.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 05, 2021, 03:11:21 PM

Quote from: TheNineClub on October 05, 2021, 05:41:16 AM

I really don't follow DWCS so this is an honest question, but what are the numbers regarding ratings and how is the fan reception to it? Just based on my short time viewing it I really don't find it entertaining or that interesting. When Dana White Looking For A Fight was first out I thought that it had a cool concept that grasped the viewer's attention and had some entertaining value. However, DWCS is just flat and not much more than a televised local promotion. But that's just my 2 cents.

You are wrong, and good thing you are not any factor for this, you should just look how many DWCS fighters signed for UFC in past few months, that shows how Contender Series became main source for new signings.
It's much easier for Dana to organize something in his own arena and fighters came from all over the world to him, then make some blind signings.

What am I missing here? Cheesy

Isn't the main idea of DWCS to get those fighters signed to the promotion Cheesy

Why would I be surprised if the sole thing the show was created for is doing just that? Of course, they are signing fighters. What I am questioning is the entertainment value of the show, not its legitimacy of fighters and potential UFC newcomers. As for entertainment, it falls flat. Sure, you could argue that some of the fights themselves are entertaining, but you could also then argue that watching any UFC fight card from start to finish or any other organization could be considered entertainment and, besides of a couple of honorable mentions, I do not.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on October 05, 2021, 05:41:16 AM

I really don't follow DWCS so this is an honest question, but what are the numbers regarding ratings and how is the fan reception to it? Just based on my short time viewing it I really don't find it entertaining or that interesting. When Dana White Looking For A Fight was first out I thought that it had a cool concept that grasped the viewer's attention and had some entertaining value. However, DWCS is just flat and not much more than a televised local promotion. But that's just my 2 cents.

You are wrong, and good thing you are not any factor for this, you should just look how many DWCS fighters signed for UFC in past few months, that shows how Contender Series became main source for new signings.
It's much easier for Dana to organize something in his own arena and fighters came from all over the world to him, then make some blind signings.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 04, 2021, 03:00:25 PM

Dana White's Contender Series Week 6 is starting tomorrow, with five new fights and few new potential UFC fighters.
Josh Weems jumped in as last moment replacement but he missed his weight, and It might be a good idea to bet on Fernie Garcia if odds are right.
I always prefer watch HW and LHW category and this time we have Shonte Barnes vs Joseph Holmes, this could be interesting fight.

I really don't follow DWCS so this is an honest question, but what are the numbers regarding ratings and how is the fan reception to it? Just based on my short time viewing it I really don't find it entertaining or that interesting. When Dana White Looking For A Fight was first out I thought that it had a cool concept that grasped the viewer's attention and had some entertaining value. However, DWCS is just flat and not much more than a televised local promotion. But that's just my 2 cents.

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Dana White's Contender Series Week 6 is starting tomorrow, with five new fights and few new potential UFC fighters.
Josh Weems jumped in as last moment replacement but he missed his weight, and It might be a good idea to bet on Fernie Garcia if odds are right.
I always prefer watch HW and LHW category and this time we have Shonte Barnes vs Joseph Holmes, this could be interesting fight.

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Brian Kelleher will fight Saidyokub next year on January 15. He had a good run of 3-1 in 2020 and went 1-1 in this year. The match against Saidyokub will be his 36th professional appearance. Saidyokub is also a good fighter, he won straight 3 games and lost one and won one respectively making him winning 4 out of his 5 matches. Pretty excited for this match.

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MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

If you lengthen the fight so much that the judges have to make a decision, a biased decision is to be expected with a hometown player in the ring. What Lima should have done is play more aggressively. He played a bit passive and that cost him the match. I also feel like that is a kind of biased decision. MMA Judges should be I guess trained more or maybe necessary steps should be taken so that the judge calls are more accurate and unbiased.

A take down at R2 would’ve done the trick imho. And I scored the match for Lima as is. But you know.. The judges prolly wanted to get out of there in one piece. Lolol.

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MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

If you lengthen the fight so much that the judges have to make a decision, a biased decision is to be expected with a hometown player in the ring. What Lima should have done is play more aggressively. He played a bit passive and that cost him the match. I also feel like that is a kind of biased decision. MMA Judges should be I guess trained more or maybe necessary steps should be taken so that the judge calls are more accurate and unbiased.

I'm not really sure that things can be changed. At the end of the day, it's still a human call and how many rules you enforce, inexperience, bias, and susceptibility can come into play. So, unfortunately, it is up to the fighters to take more risks and capitalize on them if possible. However, it also takes two to tango Cheesy

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 03, 2021, 02:11:18 AM

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Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.
If you didn't watch the fight, there is CBS highlights and recap for this fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxgLs2CdBk4

Lima should not be happy for himself. He can only blame himself. If a fighter fight at opponents homeland, he should be more persuasively in the fight. Like the commentators says "Page dropped Lima twice in the first round" - that was enough for judges.
Even the score card show that. Page won first round thank to those two knockdowns. And second round due to fighters being passive, but Page fought "at home".

I guess the judging systems should be changed or maybe fine-tuned. Because in my eyes, I would have given Lima the win. He started the fight so good but only ended up taking the loss. But I think Lima should have been a bit more aggressive. Because we have seen this earlier a bit biased decisions. So it's always better to try to finish off the fight as early as possible against a home fighter which was not the case for Lima. Whatever, congrats to Page for winning the match.

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MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

If you lengthen the fight so much that the judges have to make a decision, a biased decision is to be expected with a hometown player in the ring. What Lima should have done is play more aggressively. He played a bit passive and that cost him the match. I also feel like that is a kind of biased decision. MMA Judges should be I guess trained more or maybe necessary steps should be taken so that the judge calls are more accurate and unbiased.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 02, 2021, 03:19:50 PM

Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.
If you didn't watch the fight, there is CBS highlights and recap for this fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxgLs2CdBk4

Lima should not be happy for himself. He can only blame himself. If a fighter fight at opponents homeland, he should be more persuasively in the fight. Like the commentators says "Page dropped Lima twice in the first round" - that was enough for judges.

Even the score card show that. Page won first round thank to those two knockdowns. And second round due to fighters being passive, but Page fought "at home".

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MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

Yup, that's the issue here, when you have fought so close to make a quality decision, the judges tend to sway for the hometown fighter if that's an option. There has been a lot of talk regarding MMA judging and the fact of the matter is that it's just not up to standads. But there are also no steps made towards improving the judging, at least none that we can see have any effect. It saddens me to say this, but in the words of the Michelin mascot Dana White 'Never live it in the hands of the judges'.

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 02, 2021, 03:19:50 PM

Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.

I am also not happy with the decision but i was surprised with the way in which Michael Page was able to control the fight like he wanted and his wrist control was really good and he was able to avoid the heavy kicks of Douglas Lima for majority of the fight and he learned his lessons from the first fight as he was always fighting from the outside and now the trilogy is inevitable.

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Split decision win for Michael Page and Lima was not happy with judges, and there are talks of trilogy fight happening in future.
If you didn't watch the fight, there is CBS highlights and recap for this fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxgLs2CdBk4

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MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

From what I feel like, is that it is very unwise to let the judge make a decision. Because if the judges make the decision, there is a high chance that you might lose even after you played well. Judges should not be biased but biased calls sometimes happen unintentionally. I feel that play aggressively and win your match your way. Letting the judge make a decision only calls for more controversy from what I have seen.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 02, 2021, 11:36:47 AM

I think that the victory was given to Page because he had knockdowns (they are not clear knockdowns, but still they dazed Lima), while Lime did not. Whole fight in general was quite passive, as if they waited when the opponent will make a mistake. These factors must have moved the scales on Pages side. In the second round, when Lima chopped Page with a lowkick, he should not miss that uppercut.
In Russian language there is a proverb "At home, even walls help". This is what helped Page this time. Their fight is another example that fighters should not give fights results in judges hand.

Playing passive is what cost Lima the match. Although both the players played passive, but maybe Page was the less passive one as we just saw from the result. But I agree with you where you said that players should try to fight and gain the victory themselves, but put it in the hand of the judges. Waiting for your opponent to make a mistake is okay, but waiting for too long won't be a good idea.

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I think that the victory was given to Page because he had knockdowns (they are not clear knockdowns, but still they dazed Lima), while Lime did not. Whole fight in general was quite passive, as if they waited when the opponent will make a mistake. These factors must have moved the scales on Pages side. In the second round, when Lima chopped Page with a lowkick, he should not miss that uppercut.

In Russian language there is a proverb "At home, even walls help". This is what helped Page this time. Their fight is another example that fighters should not give fights results in judges hand.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on October 02, 2021, 04:45:59 AM

MVPs split decision is not so impactful as the TKO Lima had over him in the first fight. The level of competition Lima had after their first fight is way tougher than MVP had leading up to their second fight, and it still looks like MVP is cherry-picking his opponents to have a better record. Not a fan of his.

Looks like it is hard to get a decision right when they fight in England in their homeland. It is a robbery and i cannot understand how the judges can give a split decision victory to Michael Page when Douglas Lima clearly won the fight in my eyes. The good thing is that Michael Page wants the trilogy and even i would like to see them fight again rather than giving Michael Page the title fight.

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It was 2 - 1 for Lima for me. I mean it was close but it really looked like Page didn’t land 20 punches on Lima. IMHO. Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me. What Lima could’ve done was get a take down in the second round. If he had done that, he would’ve gotten the W imho.

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