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Quote from: Volgastallion on October 04, 2024, 12:15:59 PM

IF williams still in this path for this lasts race of the season i can see them overpassing HAAS and RB teams at the end of the season, and that it can be a super blow for the other teams and a super bump in energy and money for the Williams team.

I hope to see them with a much better car for the next season.

Yeah, if Williams can maintain their current performance it will not be impossible for them to overtake HAAS or RB in terms of points, especially since quite a lot of people are paying special attention to Colapinto who can get more points than what Logan achieved in several races, he can be a good capital for Williams to be able to score more points in the next race. Now we just need to wait and see how Liam performs, if he has a good performance, maybe Williams will have a little difficulty in overtaking their points.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 04, 2024, 03:17:09 PM

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Yeah, currently the only undecided seats are there. I don't know who would be eager to race for Kick Sauber. Tongue

Maybe they would bring another young driver from F2.

For Racing Bulls, isn't it already decided that it is going to be Liam Lawson? Huh

Or was it just for the remaining part of the season?

Quote from: tokeweed on October 05, 2024, 07:20:02 AM

Ah thanks for pointing that out... Mmm ok, so we already saw how their car performs in a street circuit. I wanna see it perform in a proper F1 track and I guess the next race will def show just that at Circuit of The Americas in Texas.

But if Norris is still fast in his McLaren then we'll def have some interesting races coming up til the end of the season. Wink

It's gonna be the start of Red Bull's down fall imho, thanks to Jos Verstappen for disturbing the peace within the team. I hope Horner leaves too.

My pleasure. I hope McLaren keeps up the good work by the next race also. I don't want them to gift the constructor championship to Red Bull. Sad

In fact, I'm okay with McLaren and Ferrari both about winning the title.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 05, 2024, 01:13:59 AM

Congratulations on the first pole position for Acosta, Marc Marquez set the fastest time, but was rightly penalised for the track limit and so Acosta has pole position ahead of Bagnaia. Martin crashed and Bagnaia will try to make up points in the championship standings.

Starting the Sprint from first position was clearly very good for Pedro Acosta even though at the start of the Sprint he was immediately overtaken by Bagnaia, but he also had a better time to catch Bagnaia again after a few laps. But unfortunately Pedro Acosta could not maintain his first position while leading the Sprint today so he crashed with four laps left to go. It was really very painful for a rookie Pedro Acosta and Marquez also almost got second position in today's Sprint, but Bastianini did not give that opportunity to Marquez because Bastianini also wanted to be in second position. Now Bagnaia and Martin's points have been cut again because Martin could only finish in the top four in today's Sprint.

Crashes seems to be a common thing for Acosta, I cant really remember how many times he crashed this season but I think he crashes more than the other riders.
More unfortunately, most of his crashes were self accident which means there is something wrong with himself or with his bike.
He is a great young potential rider and as a rookie, he should take this season as a learning season where he can get more experiences to improve his skills for the upcoming season.
The best moment in today's Sprint Race is exactly the duel between Enea vs Marquez but unfortunately it was happened in few corners only in the 11th lap.
It would be much more interesting if there were more laps to go

hopefully tomorrow will be much interesting race to watch.

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Bagnaia managed to win the sprint race so now the leader board is short once again.

Martin is still leading but his advantage is reduced to only 15 points ahead of Bagnaia.
Bastianini is in 3rd position but he is too far away to have some chances, he is at -72 points.
Tomorrow we will have the race and the points will change once again.

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Quote from: Distraction on October 04, 2024, 10:47:40 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on October 04, 2024, 06:42:35 AM

McLaren's advantage is gone folks. There's nothing to see here anymore... They don't have the best car. And the funny is... Leclerc could snag second in the driver's championship.

Not exactly. When Norris won by this big of a time gap in Singapore, McLaren already had a new wing after the previous one providing a mini DRS was found illegal.

Ah thanks for pointing that out... Mmm ok, so we already saw how their car performs in a street circuit. I wanna see it perform in a proper F1 track and I guess the next race will def show just that at Circuit of The Americas in Texas.

But if Norris is still fast in his McLaren then we'll def have some interesting races coming up til the end of the season. Wink

It's gonna be the start of Red Bull's down fall imho, thanks to Jos Verstappen for disturbing the peace within the team. I hope Horner leaves too.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 05, 2024, 01:39:01 AM

Thanks for the conclusion, I live in Europe and didn't have time to watch the qualifying and the sprint race. Too bad for Acosta, but maybe it was too early for a win, Martin will have a hard time not to lose many points against Bagnaia again tomorrow, maybe I'll manage to see the race tomorrow morning.

Winning will always mean more to a rider like Pedro Acosta, especially tomorrow he will also start the race in first position. But considering Bagnaia, Martin, Bastianini and Marquez will also continue to dominate the front row, of course it won't be easy for a rookie like Pedro Acosta to maintain his position tomorrow. But I'm pretty sure that Pedro Acosta can be on the podium tomorrow if he doesn't crash in the middle of the race like he did in the Sprint today And for the schedule itself is also quite ideal because the time difference between Japan and the country where I live now is not too far so I can definitely watch it like I watched the Sprint today.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on October 05, 2024, 01:33:29 AM

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Thanks for the conclusion, I live in Europe and didn't have time to watch the qualifying and the sprint race. Too bad for Acosta, but maybe it was too early for a win, Martin will have a hard time not to lose many points against Bagnaia again tomorrow, maybe I'll manage to see the race tomorrow morning.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on October 05, 2024, 01:13:59 AM

Congratulations on the first pole position for Acosta, Marc Marquez set the fastest time, but was rightly penalised for the track limit and so Acosta has pole position ahead of Bagnaia. Martin crashed and Bagnaia will try to make up points in the championship standings.

Starting the Sprint from first position was clearly very good for Pedro Acosta even though at the start of the Sprint he was immediately overtaken by Bagnaia, but he also had a better time to catch Bagnaia again after a few laps. But unfortunately Pedro Acosta could not maintain his first position while leading the Sprint today so he crashed with four laps left to go. It was really very painful for a rookie Pedro Acosta and Marquez also almost got second position in today's Sprint, but Bastianini did not give that opportunity to Marquez because Bastianini also wanted to be in second position. Now Bagnaia and Martin's points have been cut again because Martin could only finish in the top four in today's Sprint.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on October 04, 2024, 11:57:59 PM

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Congratulations on the first pole position for Acosta, Marc Marquez set the fastest time, but was rightly penalised for the track limit and so Acosta has pole position ahead of Bagnaia. Martin crashed and Bagnaia will try to make up points in the championship standings.

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Pedro Acosta successfully achieved his first pole position of the season at the Motegi circuit in Japan and it was extraordinary considering he is a rookie in MotoGP at the moment who is on an independent team using the KTM RC16 engine. I have seen how he worked hard this season until he was able to finish second when racing in Mandalika last week and today he must also be considered a pretty dangerous rider because he could have won the Sprint today and also the full race on Sunday tomorrow. In addition Jorgen Martin had to start the Sprint and the full race in a very bad position this season because he had crashed in the final minutes of qualifying.

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2025 F1 driver line-up
Driver   Team   Contract End
Max Verstappen   Red Bull   2028
Sergio Perez   Red Bull   2026
Lewis Hamilton   Ferrari   multi-year
Charles Leclerc   Ferrari   multi-year
George Russell   Mercedes   2025
Andrea Kimi Antonelli   Mercedes   Unknown
Lando Norris   McLaren   "Long-term"
Oscar Piastri   McLaren   2026
Lance Stroll   Aston Martin   "2025 and beyond"
Fernando Alonso   Aston Martin   multi-year
Alex Albon   Williams   2025
Carlos Sainz   Williams   "Beyond 2026"
Nico Hulkenberg   Sauber   multi-year
Pierre Gasly   Alpine   "Long-term"
Jack Doohan   Alpine   2025
Esteban Ocon   Haas   multi-year
Oliver Bearman   Haas   multi-year
Yuki Tsunoda   Visa Cash App RB   2025

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1046665/1/2025-f1-driver-line-who-confirmed-and-rumoured-2025-grid

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 03, 2024, 08:25:58 PM

In this regard, it is hilarious to imagine that Formula 1 has committed to achieving carbon neutrality by 2030, in other words... that they promise to drastically reduce their carbon pollution and remove any remaining residue from the atmosphere.
Not even "Formula E" is capable of this, since it has already been proven that the process for manufacturing batteries is as polluting, if not more so, than a combustion engine in its entire lifespan.

Anyway, I believe that this is just a way for them to try to show themselves to be more "aware" of the environmental problems of today's world and thus obtain subsidies and more sponsors without anyone continuing to criticize their actions. Just as happens in many countries, F1 will continue to burn fossil fuels and will have to offset carbon emissions by planting trees or financing environmental projects in institutions that can offset their environmental losses.

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They do not really consider battery resources as polluting when they are calculating, that's why. They consider how much they are polluting while racing, that's it, and they say they are going to be net negative when they are racing eventually, which we all know won't happen because of mining, but they will only consider the races, well of course practice and qualifying too, but not the battery manufacturing.

That is something that needs to be change all together in the world, not just for formula, but MANY people are buying electric cars thinking they are doing a good thing for the world and climate, while not really helping with anything, this needs to be a bigger issue and let everyone know how much it hurts the world to build one electric vehicle.

In the end, its still better way forward because if they can make the batteries out of something more renewable or sustainable that doesn't hurt the world, then the whole problem goes away, combustion engines do not have that potential.

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Quote from: Distraction on October 03, 2024, 08:26:50 AM

IF williams still in this path for this lasts race of the season i can see them overpassing HAAS and RB teams at the end of the season, and that it can be a super blow for the other teams and a super bump in energy and money for the Williams team.

I hope to see them with a much better car for the next season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 02, 2024, 05:33:57 PM

I'm not sure about instability.
I think it is the opposite.
Having a Mercedes engine is a good move, they are very stable with no problems and a lot of power.
Even a second hand engine from them will be better than one created by Renault to be honest.

Maybe now we have too many Mercedes engines.

Mercedes engines are use by / will be used by

Mercedes 2030 and beyond probably
McLaren 2030
Aston Martine 2025 -> they will go to Honda
Alpine 2030
Williams 2030

What I mean by instability is not the engine, but from the side of the workers. Regarding the Mercedes engine, we don't need to question its stability anymore, McLaren is one of the proofs of how if a team with an engine from another manufacturer can achieve good performance, even exceeding the team of the engine manufacturer. But this is an internal matter of Alpine whose employees from the engine development side clashed with the decision - but maybe it just takes time for them to adjust to the Mercedes engine.

Quote from: alegotardo on October 03, 2024, 08:25:58 PM

In this regard, it is hilarious to imagine that Formula 1 has committed to achieving carbon neutrality by 2030, in other words... that they promise to drastically reduce their carbon pollution and remove any remaining residue from the atmosphere.
Not even "Formula E" is capable of this, since it has already been proven that the process for manufacturing batteries is as polluting, if not more so, than a combustion engine in its entire lifespan.

Shut that carbon neutrality. I just wish F1 could bring back the V10 and get rid of all the ridiculous rules and make F1 look like Formula E. They should understand that what the F1 audience needs is the sound of the F1 engine, not making it more electric.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 03, 2024, 08:25:58 PM

In this regard, it is hilarious to imagine that Formula 1 has committed to achieving carbon neutrality by 2030, in other words... that they promise to drastically reduce their carbon pollution and remove any remaining residue from the atmosphere.
Not even "Formula E" is capable of this, since it has already been proven that the process for manufacturing batteries is as polluting, if not more so, than a combustion engine in its entire lifespan.

It is just some kind of an example of awareness but not a sincere one. Tongue

I would like them to explain it to us in a sensible way. How do you expect to be environment-friendly just because of giving another break lasting a month? Huh

I don't think anyone believes this crap. It is just a boring waiting period for us for the next race, that's all.

Quote from: tokeweed on October 04, 2024, 06:42:35 AM

McLaren's advantage is gone folks. There's nothing to see here anymore... They don't have the best car. And the funny is... Leclerc could snag second in the driver's championship.

Not exactly. When Norris won by this big of a time gap in Singapore, McLaren already had a new wing after the previous one providing a mini DRS was found illegal.

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Good news for F1 fans.

FIA decided that for the season 2026 when teams will use a new kind of engine, more efficient, more electrical etc, that they will increase the tests.
I think that now we are in a 3 day per year in preseason.

For 2026 we will have 3days 3 times, so a total of 9 days of test due the new engine meta.

Not sure if 2027 we will have 3 days or 9.

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Quote from: Distraction on October 03, 2024, 08:26:50 AM

Let's remember the final condition of driver and constructor standings.

The championship race between Verstappen and Norris is still live but it isn't a very realistic possibility as of now. Because there is a situation like even if Norris wins every remaining race including the sprint ones also, Verstappen can still retain his title by finishing each one of them right behind him. I mean there isn't any guarantee for Verstappen to do so but neither there is for Norris.

Colapinto came started to collect points right away. Grin

The problem was really Sargeant at Williams as it seems.

When it comes to contructors, McLaren is really going for the title! I don't think they will let Red Bull or Ferrari get ahead in the remaining time. Ferrari might even finish ahead of Red Bull but they need to improve that poor performance in Singapore.

Yup and if the commentators start doing the 'mathematically the fight for the championship is still open' thing then I prolly stop watching the rest of the season. They just want to keep us interested and make us think that there's still something going on but really, it's already done. And with McLaren's technical advantage banned and gone for the reat of the season, just watch Ferrari get most of the second and third on the podium for these next races.

McLaren's advantage is gone folks. There's nothing to see here anymore... They don't have the best car. And the funny is... Leclerc could snag second in the driver's championship.

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After watching FP1 and Practice in Motegi Japan today, it seems that the Sprint race and the full race could be fierce because in FP1 Bagnaia successfully took first place, while in the Practice that just finished Brad Binder successfully became the fastest on the Motegi circuit in Japan. The Japanese manufacturers themselves were really overwhelmed even though they were racing in their own country because in terms of racing they always need better power and balance to be able to win on any circuit.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 03, 2024, 05:06:05 PM

This is the season with most races ever in F1 and somehow they managed to insert 2, 1 month breaks on it.

In this regard, it is hilarious to imagine that Formula 1 has committed to achieving carbon neutrality by 2030, in other words... that they promise to drastically reduce their carbon pollution and remove any remaining residue from the atmosphere.
Not even "Formula E" is capable of this, since it has already been proven that the process for manufacturing batteries is as polluting, if not more so, than a combustion engine in its entire lifespan.

Anyway, I believe that this is just a way for them to try to show themselves to be more "aware" of the environmental problems of today's world and thus obtain subsidies and more sponsors without anyone continuing to criticize their actions. Just as happens in many countries, F1 will continue to burn fossil fuels and will have to offset carbon emissions by planting trees or financing environmental projects in institutions that can offset their environmental losses.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 03, 2024, 05:06:05 PM

This is the season with most races ever in F1 and somehow they managed to insert 2, 1 month breaks on it.

According to this article, this scheduling change happened because F1 wants to reduce its carbon footprint[1]. Next year's schedule should be better since they can move the schedule easily with better feedback, but there's no guarantee they won't do another fuck-up. I'm pretty sure they will fix this sooner or later if they lose money because nobody watches the race. CMIIW.

[1] https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/f1-calendar-us-grand-prix-33758580

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