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Exactly, basically they will probably "leech" some high technology for their road car giving some money to haas as sponsorship.
Atleast this is my speculation.

Guenteher Stainer ex Haas is also speaking these days and in different arguments said that Red Bull could bring to Austin a "magic" floor.

So it is expected to have a big upgrade for RBR

Even though they are back in F1, it is not really like they are back in F1, but they are just doing a technical partnership with Haas, so basically they are just partners, they are not developing anything to Haas, but they just want to get further benefits from Haas for the development of road cars and preparing their drivers for various motorsport events. This is a partnership that will benefit both parties, especially since the Haas team principal is a Japanese, he can provide a lot of input to Toyota in the development of their cars and drivers.

I think the rumor has been turned of from Toyota itself?
Atleast in part.
As I can read they will be a tecnical partner of Haas for sure but they also said that they have no plan to return in F1 as power unit supplier or a full F1 team. (AT THIS TIME)

Last race of Toyota was in 2009 after 140 races and 13 podiums.

Haas will stay with Ferrari for engine.

Nobody talking about the huges news we have?

Toyota is back at F1 guys!

Toyota is with HAAS to become a partner and much more in the future, and the big is not for next year, their starts right now.

^  Same here...  I hope Norris wins.  But then again with where Verstappen is lined at and how iffy the next race could be for the McLarens, Verstappen could be a value bet here.  It might be another one of those things when the sports betting sites are late to adjust again.  We've seen it at the start of the season when I started saying McLaren has the best car and the bookies kept lining Norris with 2.50's and 3.00's. 

But yeah, dunno tho.  Not really sure how Red Bull would look like with a Newey that has one foot out of the door.  Hopefully for their sake, they push on through.

Verstappen has had quite a big domination in Austin GP for three years. Isn't it time for him to lose this superiority you think?    I think it is high time to see that. He is having this part of the season in a horrible way. He got a second position in the last race to relieve a little. But I still don't believe in him too much to even finish in top 3 of next race yet. We need to see some data to have ideas about it first.




Yeah the odds are like this. McLaren is still very strong and there are high expectations obviously. I hope Norris makes it.    Piastri and Leclerc also have nice odds to give a shot for a surprise maybe.

The race isn't til the weekend after the upcoming one but I'll make the schedule anyway...  I can't wait to see Norris and McLaren out there.  Hoping for a more exciting season ender than the usual Verstappen championship wins that we've been getting the last few years...

2024 F1 United States GP Schedule
Track:  Circuit of The Americas



Oct 18:  Practice 1  12:30 - 13:30
Oct 18:  Sprint Quali  16:30 - 17:30
Oct 19:  Sprint 13:00 - 13:30
Oct 19:  Qualifying  17:00 - 18:00
Oct 20:  Race  14:00

Anyway, based on the early odds it looks like the ban on McLaren's wing won't really matter.  Norris is at 2.05, Verstappen at 5.00...  Does Verstappen have any value in this spot?

I wonder why the test hasn't changed if stuff like this has been found in the past. I guess bureaucracy is one reason why changes to standard test criteria are hard to change. It makes sense since money talks even outside of motorsport governing bodies. Anyone who benefits from the previous rule/test is going to oppose any drastic change that could affect their position in the championship.

We see they do care about Norris more now, they didn't think Norris would be this close and that's why they made one mistake but I am sure they are not going to repeat it again and they are taking care of Norris a lot more now. So if there was ever a position where Norris is second while Piastri is first, then they would end up with switching positions if they can, and Piastri would mainly defend. That was one time, and they weren't really convinced Norris could be this close.

To be fair, I think it was mostly about them thinking Max would have been better than this, nobody saw Max becoming this bad, not that he did but the car did and right now all three Mclaren, Ferrari and Mercedes all have better cars than Red Bull. This is why I believe we are going to see Norris have a chance. Constructors means something too, in the end we are going to see Mclaren win, and that's a new thing because we had 2 teams so far in the last 15 seasons or so, a new team is always a great feeling.

Not sure if this is was the original one can't remember.
But yeah they are using, all of the constructor clever exploits.

For example the weight on wings has been exploited for years using the carbor fiber in a certain direction it will not bend under weight of the test but it will at high velocity with the drag force.

Sure but if the the ban on that thing in McLaren's car didn't really make them lose pace on the track as everybody says then it's prolly safe to assume that Norris will keep getting podiums and pole at quali on the next rounds of races til November..?

I mean imho, I'd say let's see what happens to the McLaren cars in a proper track but since everybody says the ban didn't really affect their car much then I go with that for now but let's see.

Norris could have won the drivers' championship if McLaren had given him priority, but unfortunately McLaren cared more about the constructors' championship and let Norris and Piastri compete on equal terms, even when Norris could have had a chance to score more points. I understand what McLaren meant by letting both drivers compete on equal terms, but it probably won't produce a good result in the drivers' championship, and the result we might still see Max win the title, even when McLaren has a chance.

Is this the interview you're referring to[1]? I believe you can read this as a confirmation that they modified their rear wing and mini-DRS as one of their tricks to improve their car. I can see his point that if he can exploit existing rules then it's fair game and it's on the governing bodies to stop this loophole or whatever they use to modify the car. I find executives who cared about fairness rare, so it's no surprise that he said he's done nothing wrong.

[1] https://www.thetimes.com/sport/formula-one/article/mclaren-chief-zak-brown-compliment-people-question-mclaren-6m256fqkp

Zak Brown released and interview saying that the controversial rear wing isn't the secret for the Mclaran.

He also said that when they started winning everyine they were looking at them for finding the secrets.
He also said that they passed the test (but imho they used a clever way to "exploit" them)

So the question now is, what is the secret they have under the car?

Truthfully I care about constructors and drivers championships both.     It is because of this huge dominance by Red Bull so I hope another team wins this time.

When it comes to a different driver than Verstappen to become champion, I don't feel like it is going to happen this season mate.    Otherwise I also want this very much.

Norris' chance is really not big now. Even if he wins the rest of the races including the sprint ones also, Verstappen can still win the championship by finishing in the 2nd position. But this can just be considered as an extreme example. Who knows, maybe Norris will have a great run while Verstappen is getting bad results.

Yeah I don't care about the constructor's championship much this year...  I'd just like to see some driver not named Max Verstappen win the driver's championship or at least give Verstappen a run for his money.  Lol.  It's been a while since we've had a really close and exciting season.

Anyway, the books still have Verstappen as the favorite to win the driver's championship at 1.57 with Norris somewhat close behind at 2.35.  I think this thing flips in just a couple of races if Norris wins a couple with Verstappen finishing outside the podium spots.  The question is if it's possible.

I feel like there isn't really anything to worry about for the breaks, because if they need it to give us better entertainment then I am all for it. Plus it gives teams a chance to do upgrades, and that means things could change. Imagine if we come back and red bull has this insanely good upgrade and they are good enough hto battle McLaren again, things would change suddenly and we would have a lot of fun.

Or maybe Mclaren would be even more dominant, or maybe none of them will make big changes but some team unexpected like Williams suddenly do podiums and such. Not saying that will happen, just saying this break increases the possibility of something like that and I am happy about it.

This should not be all that bad, and we could consider this as a good thing. If nothing else, racing every week is hard on the body, and racing 20+ times a year isn't easy already, giving break just so their body would recover is great, remember these racers lose few kilos each race, so it's definitely not easy on the body neither.

The statement you said does not seem crazy at all and even looks more reasonable in my opinion. Because when a rookie is able to finish on the podium like in Mandalika and is able to be in the front row when racing in Japan, that is actually very extraordinary because he is competing with riders who have been world champions before in MotoGP and also with riders who are already full of experience in MotoGP so far. So your assumption about the future champion for Pedro Acosta is not excessive because he still has a lot of time to learn and increase his experience in MotoGP and for the Rookie of the Year champion I think he will get it this year.

When drawing up the calendar, existing contracts must be taken into account, based, among other things, on the best possible weather conditions in the country visited. For example, this is why Miami is in May, because later there would be a risk of entering hurricane season. And the reason for this almost one-month break is precisely the fixed dates and the movements between the 2023 and 2024 calendars and the short time for adjustments.

In this part of the year, there were the Japanese GP and the Qatar GP, and both were moved to 2024. Now, the Qatar GP has been moved to a triple final between Las Vegas and Abu Dhabi. But the ‘culprit’ was someone else, the Japanese GP, which was to take place right after Singapore, and was brought forward to the spring of 2024, placing it closer to China. So the reason there is a four-week break without races is that the move of the Japanese GP was agreed too late for the organisers of other GPs to also agree to move their stages.

Specifically, the problem was that at that time there was no room for movement, because the Singapore GP was already scheduled for the weekend of 20-22 September, because as the Marina Bay circuit is an urban circuit, the city is closed, which requires some planning. Formula 1's plan B was then to move the United States GP, but as a triple-header on the American continent with Mexico and Brazil (with no break in between) was planned, it was not possible to move forward.

Acosta is still young and inexperienced in the MotoGP circus, probably a champion of the future. But he is only in his rookie season and is gaining a lot of experience. For me a champion of the future, you can think I'm crazy, but Acosta will be world champion before Marquez in the future.