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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 02, 2024, 05:33:57 PM

I'm not sure about instability.
I think it is the opposite.
Having a Mercedes engine is a good move, they are very stable with no problems and a lot of power.
Even a second hand engine from them will be better than one created by Renault to be honest.

Maybe now we have too many Mercedes engines.

Mercedes engines are use by / will be used by

Mercedes 2030 and beyond probably
McLaren 2030
Aston Martine 2025 -> they will go to Honda
Alpine 2030
Williams 2030

What I mean by instability is not the engine, but from the side of the workers. Regarding the Mercedes engine, we don't need to question its stability anymore, McLaren is one of the proofs of how if a team with an engine from another manufacturer can achieve good performance, even exceeding the team of the engine manufacturer. But this is an internal matter of Alpine whose employees from the engine development side clashed with the decision - but maybe it just takes time for them to adjust to the Mercedes engine.

Quote from: alegotardo on October 03, 2024, 08:25:58 PM

In this regard, it is hilarious to imagine that Formula 1 has committed to achieving carbon neutrality by 2030, in other words... that they promise to drastically reduce their carbon pollution and remove any remaining residue from the atmosphere.
Not even "Formula E" is capable of this, since it has already been proven that the process for manufacturing batteries is as polluting, if not more so, than a combustion engine in its entire lifespan.

Shut that carbon neutrality. I just wish F1 could bring back the V10 and get rid of all the ridiculous rules and make F1 look like Formula E. They should understand that what the F1 audience needs is the sound of the F1 engine, not making it more electric.

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Quote from: alegotardo on October 03, 2024, 08:25:58 PM

In this regard, it is hilarious to imagine that Formula 1 has committed to achieving carbon neutrality by 2030, in other words... that they promise to drastically reduce their carbon pollution and remove any remaining residue from the atmosphere.
Not even "Formula E" is capable of this, since it has already been proven that the process for manufacturing batteries is as polluting, if not more so, than a combustion engine in its entire lifespan.

It is just some kind of an example of awareness but not a sincere one. Tongue

I would like them to explain it to us in a sensible way. How do you expect to be environment-friendly just because of giving another break lasting a month? Huh

I don't think anyone believes this crap. It is just a boring waiting period for us for the next race, that's all.

Quote from: tokeweed on October 04, 2024, 06:42:35 AM

McLaren's advantage is gone folks. There's nothing to see here anymore... They don't have the best car. And the funny is... Leclerc could snag second in the driver's championship.

Not exactly. When Norris won by this big of a time gap in Singapore, McLaren already had a new wing after the previous one providing a mini DRS was found illegal.

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Good news for F1 fans.

FIA decided that for the season 2026 when teams will use a new kind of engine, more efficient, more electrical etc, that they will increase the tests.
I think that now we are in a 3 day per year in preseason.

For 2026 we will have 3days 3 times, so a total of 9 days of test due the new engine meta.

Not sure if 2027 we will have 3 days or 9.

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Quote from: Distraction on October 03, 2024, 08:26:50 AM

Let's remember the final condition of driver and constructor standings.

The championship race between Verstappen and Norris is still live but it isn't a very realistic possibility as of now. Because there is a situation like even if Norris wins every remaining race including the sprint ones also, Verstappen can still retain his title by finishing each one of them right behind him. I mean there isn't any guarantee for Verstappen to do so but neither there is for Norris.

Colapinto came started to collect points right away. Grin

The problem was really Sargeant at Williams as it seems.

When it comes to contructors, McLaren is really going for the title! I don't think they will let Red Bull or Ferrari get ahead in the remaining time. Ferrari might even finish ahead of Red Bull but they need to improve that poor performance in Singapore.

Yup and if the commentators start doing the 'mathematically the fight for the championship is still open' thing then I prolly stop watching the rest of the season. They just want to keep us interested and make us think that there's still something going on but really, it's already done. And with McLaren's technical advantage banned and gone for the reat of the season, just watch Ferrari get most of the second and third on the podium for these next races.

McLaren's advantage is gone folks. There's nothing to see here anymore... They don't have the best car. And the funny is... Leclerc could snag second in the driver's championship.

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After watching FP1 and Practice in Motegi Japan today, it seems that the Sprint race and the full race could be fierce because in FP1 Bagnaia successfully took first place, while in the Practice that just finished Brad Binder successfully became the fastest on the Motegi circuit in Japan. The Japanese manufacturers themselves were really overwhelmed even though they were racing in their own country because in terms of racing they always need better power and balance to be able to win on any circuit.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 03, 2024, 05:06:05 PM

This is the season with most races ever in F1 and somehow they managed to insert 2, 1 month breaks on it.

In this regard, it is hilarious to imagine that Formula 1 has committed to achieving carbon neutrality by 2030, in other words... that they promise to drastically reduce their carbon pollution and remove any remaining residue from the atmosphere.
Not even "Formula E" is capable of this, since it has already been proven that the process for manufacturing batteries is as polluting, if not more so, than a combustion engine in its entire lifespan.

Anyway, I believe that this is just a way for them to try to show themselves to be more "aware" of the environmental problems of today's world and thus obtain subsidies and more sponsors without anyone continuing to criticize their actions. Just as happens in many countries, F1 will continue to burn fossil fuels and will have to offset carbon emissions by planting trees or financing environmental projects in institutions that can offset their environmental losses.

Money generating more money and attracting media attention... nothing new Cool

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 03, 2024, 05:06:05 PM

This is the season with most races ever in F1 and somehow they managed to insert 2, 1 month breaks on it.

According to this article, this scheduling change happened because F1 wants to reduce its carbon footprint[1]. Next year's schedule should be better since they can move the schedule easily with better feedback, but there's no guarantee they won't do another fuck-up. I'm pretty sure they will fix this sooner or later if they lose money because nobody watches the race. CMIIW.

[1] https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/f1-calendar-us-grand-prix-33758580

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I hate the fact that we have 1 month break after the summer break of another month, 1 month ago
This is just terrible, are they incompetent and can't they do a better calendar?
Is it so hard?

This is the season with most races ever in F1 and somehow they managed to insert 2, 1 month breaks on it.

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Let's remember the final condition of driver and constructor standings.

The championship race between Verstappen and Norris is still live but it isn't a very realistic possibility as of now. Because there is a situation like even if Norris wins every remaining race including the sprint ones also, Verstappen can still retain his title by finishing each one of them right behind him. I mean there isn't any guarantee for Verstappen to do so but neither there is for Norris.

Colapinto came started to collect points right away. Grin

The problem was really Sargeant at Williams as it seems.

When it comes to contructors, McLaren is really going for the title! I don't think they will let Red Bull or Ferrari get ahead in the remaining time. Ferrari might even finish ahead of Red Bull but they need to improve that poor performance in Singapore.

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Quote from: retreat on October 02, 2024, 09:57:07 AM

It was expected that they would leave F1 since their performance was getting worse and they could not keep up with the development of other manufacturers. However, with Renault's exit from F1, it will also create instability for Alpine, because from the information circulating that many Alpine employees protested against it since they had been developing the engine expected for 2026. But Renault's own reasons are quite considered because they want to reduce the financial risk because of their involvement in F1. But whatever it is, Renault must have considered carefully about their departure from F1 and hopefully it will be the best choice for Alpine.

I'm not sure about instability.
I think it is the opposite.
Having a Mercedes engine is a good move, they are very stable with no problems and a lot of power.
Even a second hand engine from them will be better than one created by Renault to be honest.

Maybe now we have too many Mercedes engines.

Mercedes engines are use by / will be used by

Mercedes 2030 and beyond probably
McLaren 2030
Aston Martine 2025 -> they will go to Honda
Alpine 2030
Williams 2030

But they weren't really that good before the switch to the V6 turbos, so I wonder what the changes for 2026 will bring for all these guys. As the specs will feature more power from the electrical side, which engine manufacturer has the advantage over the others? Mercedes probably but what about Honda? I think Japan has done a lot of work on electric engines... And Ferrari..? I think you def know more than me. But I could see they have something going on in that front.

And Lewis Hamilton didn't go there without a good reason. The guy has a nose for which team is gonna be build the best car as he did with Merc.

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Quote from: moneystery on October 01, 2024, 03:05:16 AM

i doubt that bastianini and marquez can win the world title with the points they have now. it is true that they have a chance, but only if they win every race, which is very unlikely. so now people are more focused on martin and bagnaia because the two riders are only 21 points apart which is not too far. if pecco can get more points in the remaining races than martin, it is impossible for him to win the world title. it is just a matter of strategy and how pecco can use all his opportunities on the track to get his best performance.

Everyone will indeed focus on riders who already have more points like Martin and Bagnaia for the rest of the season, but if both riders crash and do not get enough points or can only finish behind Marquez and Bastianini, of course Marquez and Bastianini's chances will be greater again for the rest of the season to become world champions. But for now it is clear that the bigger chance is on Martin and Bagnaia because both of them are riders who are ranked first and second in the current standings. However, in terms of possibility, Marquez and Bastianini still have the chance to become champions because both of them are quite strong riders and it is not impossible that both of them could finish in front of Martin and Bagnaia in the remaining races that are still available this season.

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Quote from: retreat on October 02, 2024, 09:57:07 AM

It was expected that they would leave F1 since their performance was getting worse and they could not keep up with the development of other manufacturers. However, with Renault's exit from F1, it will also create instability for Alpine, because from the information circulating that many Alpine employees protested against it since they had been developing the engine expected for 2026. But Renault's own reasons are quite considered because they want to reduce the financial risk because of their involvement in F1. But whatever it is, Renault must have considered carefully about their departure from F1 and hopefully it will be the best choice for Alpine.

I also read about this and the confirmation that Renault will abandon F1 engine project came after much controversy over the idea of effectively ending its operations in this sector of motorsport.

Protests from the Viry's team, an alleged cost saving that would be obtained by Alpine following the customer route instead of financing its own engine program and in the end the clarity that the preferred path was indeed to acquire the engines from Mercedes in the long term.

In my opinion this is a wise decision, because in addition to the financial benefits, this agreement means that Alpine will have access to a more competitive engine, quite different from the current one that has little power compared to its rivals.

Finally, as far as I know, discussions with Mercedes are still ongoing and nothing has been formally announced yet regarding a future partnership, so it is not possible to "bet" on it. However, this is indeed the best alternative for Alpine.

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Quote from: retreat on October 02, 2024, 09:57:07 AM

It was expected that they would leave F1 since their performance was getting worse and they could not keep up with the development of other manufacturers. However, with Renault's exit from F1, it will also create instability for Alpine, because from the information circulating that many Alpine employees protested against it since they had been developing the engine expected for 2026. But Renault's own reasons are quite considered because they want to reduce the financial risk because of their involvement in F1. But whatever it is, Renault must have considered carefully about their departure from F1 and hopefully it will be the best choice for Alpine.

I'm not sure about instability.
I think it is the opposite.
Having a Mercedes engine is a good move, they are very stable with no problems and a lot of power.
Even a second hand engine from them will be better than one created by Renault to be honest.

Maybe now we have too many Mercedes engines.

Mercedes engines are use by / will be used by

Mercedes 2030 and beyond probably
McLaren 2030
Aston Martine 2025 -> they will go to Honda
Alpine 2030
Williams 2030

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 01, 2024, 04:29:54 AM

Big news everyone.
Renault officially announced that they f1 engine program will end in 2025.

It is expected that Alpine in 2026 will take Mercedes power unity from 2026.
The building where they are doing motors right now will be changed in one for building roads car projects.

It was expected that they would leave F1 since their performance was getting worse and they could not keep up with the development of other manufacturers. However, with Renault's exit from F1, it will also create instability for Alpine, because from the information circulating that many Alpine employees protested against it since they had been developing the engine expected for 2026. But Renault's own reasons are quite considered because they want to reduce the financial risk because of their involvement in F1. But whatever it is, Renault must have considered carefully about their departure from F1 and hopefully it will be the best choice for Alpine.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on October 01, 2024, 04:29:54 AM

Big news everyone.
Renault officially announced that they f1 engine program will end in 2025.

It is expected that Alpine in 2026 will take Mercedes power unity from 2026.
The building where they are doing motors right now will be changed in one for building roads car projects.

This step is also very surprising to me, that Renault (Alpine) are now giving up engine production before the new regulations. Maybe they are not satisfied with the current development or maybe Renault has to make big savings, at the moment many car manufacturers have problems and it can easily be the case that savings are made in racing first. The next two years will be very exciting years for the automotive industry in Europe.

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Big news everyone.
Renault officially announced that they f1 engine program will end in 2025.

It is expected that Alpine in 2026 will take Mercedes power unity from 2026.
The building where they are doing motors right now will be changed in one for building roads car projects.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on September 30, 2024, 02:19:05 AM

The fight for the MotoGP world title this season will still be very exciting in the five remaining races in this season. Currently Martin is still leading the championship with a gap of 21 points, but the chances for Bastianini and Marquez are actually still there even though they are very thin considering that Martin and Bagnaia's strengths are still quite a lot. So Bagnaia and Martin still have to be wary of Bastianini and Marquez in the five remaining races this season even though both of them did not get points in the full race in Mandalika yesterday.

i doubt that bastianini and marquez can win the world title with the points they have now. it is true that they have a chance, but only if they win every race, which is very unlikely. so now people are more focused on martin and bagnaia because the two riders are only 21 points apart which is not too far. if pecco can get more points in the remaining races than martin, it is impossible for him to win the world title. it is just a matter of strategy and how pecco can use all his opportunities on the track to get his best performance.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on September 30, 2024, 06:50:22 AM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 29, 2024, 01:47:55 PM

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I've just noticed that we have 1 month of break?
What happend? did they remove 1 gp at start of the season?

No way that we have a longer break here than the summer one.

Yeah there is another long break. Maybe they wanted to give more space to drivers and teams to take a breath. I mean because of having two more races than the previous season.

There are no races removed in this season for now. I don't feel like it will happen either unless there is an usual incident like the one in Imola in the previous season.

Now the season ends by December 8, with the Abu Dhabi GP. Not bad thinking there is going to be less time left for the new season. Tongue

I assume 2025 season would also start by early March? I hope so at least.

Which was something that almost all of the teams was against, not the more races part which they do not like anyways, but the gap and the closeness of each season. Normally, they need some time between seasons to work on the new car, and lesser time means lesser work on the new car, they can make parts but they can't test it, not right now anyways.

This is why I think it wasn't something they wanted to have this another gap, it is not that easy. Most of the gap reasons is logistical, because these teams fly stuff all around the world like crazy, and that means sometimes there is a backlog and they just handle with whatever, but with a month long break, you can literally just send everything to headquarters, sort it and then get them ready once again for DHL to bring. That's a very important and tough job, and they need some breaks for all of those. I know that it is going to take some time, but it is going to be something that is not going to be that easy for them next season.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 29, 2024, 01:47:55 PM

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I've just noticed that we have 1 month of break?
What happend? did they remove 1 gp at start of the season?

No way that we have a longer break here than the summer one.

Yeah there is another long break. Maybe they wanted to give more space to drivers and teams to take a breath. I mean because of having two more races than the previous season.

There are no races removed in this season for now. I don't feel like it will happen either unless there is an usual incident like the one in Imola in the previous season.

Now the season ends by December 8, with the Abu Dhabi GP. Not bad thinking there is going to be less time left for the new season. Tongue

I assume 2025 season would also start by early March? I hope so at least.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 29, 2024, 03:30:58 AM

Martin has won today confidently and deservedly, but since Marc Marquez and Bastianini have dropped out, it is now a pure duel for the world title, I don't think the two still have a chance. In any case, the battle for the world title remains exciting.

The fight for the MotoGP world title this season will still be very exciting in the five remaining races in this season. Currently Martin is still leading the championship with a gap of 21 points, but the chances for Bastianini and Marquez are actually still there even though they are very thin considering that Martin and Bagnaia's strengths are still quite a lot. So Bagnaia and Martin still have to be wary of Bastianini and Marquez in the five remaining races this season even though both of them did not get points in the full race in Mandalika yesterday.

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