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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 28, 2024, 11:37:01 AM

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But if you ask me, I would like to see Sainz instead of Bottas in case of deciding it is still early for Antonelli. Tongue

Because Sainz seems way more competitive than Bottas recently.

Bottas as a reserve driver is a reasonable option for Mercedes - even though he is not as competitive as in his early days, he has a fairly good performance, and he is suitable to fill the reserve driver position. And also why Mercedes did not consider Sainz to be their driver, it is because Sainz expects a long-term contract, while Mercedes itself wants to develop Antonelli into their future driver, where he is younger and has potential that can be developed. This consideration is a strong reason for Mercedes to close their doors to Sainz.

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Yeah Bottas is officially going to be the 3rd driver for Mercedes as of next season.

Bottas didn't have a great relationship in his last times at Mercedes before leaving as far as I can remember. But maybe they just worked it out and he is happy now. It would be good to have an experienced reserve driver like Bottas honestly. Especially while you have a rookie in one of your seats. Grin

We have no idea how Antonelli is going to start. We didn't watch him in a single F1 race unlike some rookies who experienced it and showed their skills.

But if you ask me, I would like to see Sainz instead of Bottas in case of deciding it is still early for Antonelli. Tongue

Because Sainz seems way more competitive than Bottas recently.

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 28, 2024, 06:54:38 AM

Bottas still has no drive for 2025? I think I heard somewhere that he'll be paired with Russell as Mercedes' No. 2 driver or it's just all talks and words swirling around at this point?

And if so, I guess there's still a chance that Bottas could end up with Red Bull as Verstappen's No. 2 driver? That would be very ideal imo, as they want the constructor's championship very badly. Perez just isn't good for a top team. And since he's a pay driver, he'll be good for smaller teams.

Bottas should be the 3rd drive of Mercedes for the next year.
He may have a shot of driving the Mercedes if Antonelli will fail the adaptation.
It should not happen since Antonelli is a very strong, but young driver.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 27, 2024, 10:52:12 AM

Franco Colapinto   Williams   will exit at the end of 2024
Sergio Perez   Red Bull   will exit at the end of 2024
Valtteri Bottas   Sauber   will exit at the end of 2024
Zhou Guanyu   Sauber   will exit at the end of 2024
Kevin Magnussen   Haas   will exit at the end of 2024

These are the driver that actually have no seat for the next year.
If nothing changes they will not race in 2 months.

Source https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1046665/1/2025-f1-driver-line-who-confirmed-and-rumoured-2025-grid

Bottas still has no drive for 2025? I think I heard somewhere that he'll be paired with Russell as Mercedes' No. 2 driver or it's just all talks and words swirling around at this point?

And if so, I guess there's still a chance that Bottas could end up with Red Bull as Verstappen's No. 2 driver? That would be very ideal imo, as they want the constructor's championship very badly. Perez just isn't good for a top team. And since he's a pay driver, he'll be good for smaller teams.

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Quote from: Velvet78 on December 27, 2024, 12:06:22 PM

Perez - Stroll in 2026, hm... I'm not ready for such reunion honestly. Tongue

In the past, this duo weren't bad at all. However now Perez has lost his ambition in Formula 1. Even Stroll would perform better than him I assume.

There have been rumours regarding Aston Martin's interest in Verstappen for quite a while. However I don't know whether Verstappen is considering to leave in terms of a failure next season. As he is a very competitive driver it wouldn't surprise me to see him making such decision.

In that case Stroll would be just the kind of a teammate Verstappen would like. Grin

Even now I believe Lawson will be a driver of that kind for him. I would really like to watch Verstappen dealing with a competitive driver like the Ricciardo example from the past.

Well to be honest they can also have the option to get Sainz for 2026.
It all depends if Daddy Stroll want to sack his son or not.

Sainz-Perez is a better and valid option of 2026.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 21, 2024, 06:26:13 AM

Alonso will leave Aston Martin after next year probably.
So for 2026 the line up can be Stroll-Perez.

The dream for them is to having Max Verstappen and they are trying to do so.

If they end getting him they can put Perez on trash can and do Verstappen Stroll.

I doubt he will sack his son.

Perez - Stroll in 2026, hm... I'm not ready for such reunion honestly. Tongue

In the past, this duo weren't bad at all. However now Perez has lost his ambition in Formula 1. Even Stroll would perform better than him I assume.

There have been rumours regarding Aston Martin's interest in Verstappen for quite a while. However I don't know whether Verstappen is considering to leave in terms of a failure next season. As he is a very competitive driver it wouldn't surprise me to see him making such decision.

In that case Stroll would be just the kind of a teammate Verstappen would like. Grin

Even now I believe Lawson will be a driver of that kind for him. I would really like to watch Verstappen dealing with a competitive driver like the Ricciardo example from the past.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 27, 2024, 10:52:12 AM

Franco Colapinto   Williams   will exit at the end of 2024
Sergio Perez   Red Bull   will exit at the end of 2024
Valtteri Bottas   Sauber   will exit at the end of 2024
Zhou Guanyu   Sauber   will exit at the end of 2024
Kevin Magnussen   Haas   will exit at the end of 2024

These are the driver that actually have no seat for the next year.
If nothing changes they will not race in 2 months.

Source https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1046665/1/2025-f1-driver-line-who-confirmed-and-rumoured-2025-grid

Perhaps of the five drivers, only Zhou I am quite sad that he will not be racing again in 2025. Zhou is a pretty good driver should be, but just because he is not supported by a capable car and his resources are not as good as other drivers, his potential is not well developed. I still hope that at least he can still race again in F1.

And for Colapinto, this guy has potential too, but his performance in the last few years has made teams think twice about recruiting him, even though at the beginning of his debut he showed very good performance and even several teams intended to recruit him. But I still believe that he will return to the grid, either as a driver or a reserve driver.

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Franco Colapinto   Williams   will exit at the end of 2024
Sergio Perez   Red Bull   will exit at the end of 2024
Valtteri Bottas   Sauber   will exit at the end of 2024
Zhou Guanyu   Sauber   will exit at the end of 2024
Kevin Magnussen   Haas   will exit at the end of 2024

These are the driver that actually have no seat for the next year.
If nothing changes they will not race in 2 months.

Source https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1046665/1/2025-f1-driver-line-who-confirmed-and-rumoured-2025-grid

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^ Yeah more resting needed for the new power units and just the new car specs. We don't want something like what happened at 2022 happen again with the bouncy cars. Lmao. It took the times a while to figure it out and stabilize their cars. I think it was Ferrari engineers who found a way to give their drivers a smoother ride and the other times then followed after a couple of races.

I think Ferrari will have the nest engine on 2026. No info, just a hunch. Hamilton prolly has an inkling of what's actually going on. Wink

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This year we will have a short version of test with only 3 days.
But a good news is coming for 2026.
Since teams will change the engines generation, FIA will give more days for teams, If I can remember correctlythey are talking for 9-12 days of tests.

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^ Damn... Time seems to fly fast in F1. Lol. It was just the end of the season a couple of weeks ago and in less than three months we're in pre season testing.

Here's the schedule for 2025 and they're kicking it off with the Australian GP at March 14 - 16... Nice to see Australia back as the first race tbh. It's been something I've gotten used to all these years.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/fia-and-formula-1-announces-calendar-for-2025.48ii9hOMGxuOJnjLgpA5qS

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Just a reminder for the upcoming test.
The preseason tests for the season 2025 will take place in the end of February.
On the 26 27 and 28 Februaruy they will race in Bahrain.

3 days of testing before the season in Sakhir circuit, this is what we will have.

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 20, 2024, 05:51:41 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on December 20, 2024, 07:19:56 AM

^ Tsunoda to Aston Martin? So what would the driver line up look like? Will it he Stroll who's gonna be kicked out? I think his dad should really consider throwing his son out of the team as he's just s liability.

But yeah, Tsunoda could be a reserve driver which isn't really a bad thing. The more interesting question is who does Horner have in mind to replace Tsunoda? Mick Schumacher? Vettel has been vouching for him.

The suggestion of Yuki Tsunoda at Aston Martin is an interesting one, especially considering the current situation of the team and the position of Lance Stroll. Tsunoda, as a reserve driver, is a position that could benefit him by giving him time to develop and potentially replace a regular driver in the future.

As for Tsunoda's replacement at AlphaTauri, there has been some speculation... Mick Schumacher is one name that has been floated, especially with the backing of Sebastian Vettel. But it is Schumacher who could be an interesting addition to AlphaTauri, bringing the legacy of his famous family, as long as AlphaTauri cannot opt to promote one of its test drivers.

As for Lance Stroll, it is unlikely that he will be "pushed" out of the team, given the strong influence of his father, Lawrence Stroll, on the team, but there are persistent rumours that Aston Martin are looking for a more experienced driver to join the team, which could put Stroll in an uncertain position.

Yeah. I wonder how it feels to be in Lance Stroll's position knowing that he's a liability and he's holding the team back. Any person who doesn't have a few screws loose in the head would surely step down and give way to a better driver. But no... It's either Stroll doesn't care or he is so dense and dumb that he doesn't realize what he's doing.

His dad prolly is encouraging his son to plow on and just drive too. Which is also a mistake in itself. But it's his money so who are we to criticize. Lol.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 21, 2024, 05:35:35 PM

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I doubt the wanna go with Perez-Stroll in 2026, after the all in of 100m € they spent for Newey.

I see more probable Verstappan-Perez in Aston in 2026 Grin

As LTU_btc said, we won't see Stroll again unless either he loses interest in F1 or his father sells Aston Martin to someone else. To be sure Lance will be on the grid in 2026, that's what they said at X back in June. So the only driver who has a chance of being replaced is Alonso, and that's only if Perez can get into Aston Martin (or someone else who can replace the super rookie).

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Quote from: LTU_btc on December 21, 2024, 01:55:51 PM

Stroll and Perez already were teammates, but now it looks that it was so long time ago. But I wish that there will be no Lance Stroll by 2026 in Aston Martin.

I mean, it will be 1st year of the new generation of cars.
It will be the 1st real Aston Martin for Adrian Newey since on the next year he can touch it "officially" only in January while other teams are alredy in 2025's project since late 2023.

I doubt the wanna go with Perez-Stroll in 2026, after the all in of 100m € they spent for Newey.

I see more probable Verstappan-Perez in Aston in 2026 Grin

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Quote from: alegotardo on December 20, 2024, 05:51:41 PM

The suggestion of Yuki Tsunoda at Aston Martin is an interesting one, especially considering the current situation of the team and the position of Lance Stroll. Tsunoda, as a reserve driver, is a position that could benefit him by giving him time to develop and potentially replace a regular driver in the future.

As for Tsunoda's replacement at AlphaTauri, there has been some speculation... Mick Schumacher is one name that has been floated, especially with the backing of Sebastian Vettel. But it is Schumacher who could be an interesting addition to AlphaTauri, bringing the legacy of his famous family, as long as AlphaTauri cannot opt to promote one of its test drivers.

As for Lance Stroll, it is unlikely that he will be "pushed" out of the team, given the strong influence of his father, Lawrence Stroll, on the team, but there are persistent rumours that Aston Martin are looking for a more experienced driver to join the team, which could put Stroll in an uncertain position.

After Red Bul chosen Lawson instead of Tsunoda, it seems that everyone on social media become Tsunoda fan as people think that he desrved chance. But I wouldn't be surprised if during season they can be swaped as we already saw in RedBull multiple times.
I'm sceptical about Schumacher in Alpha Tauri and in F1 in general. And Stroll seat in Aston Martin, there is only chances for him to leave - he lose interest in F1 or his father sells team.

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Alonso will leave Aston Martin after next year probably.
So for 2026 the line up can be Stroll-Perez.

The dream for them is to having Max Verstappen and they are trying to do so.

If they end getting him they can put Perez on trash can and do Verstappen Stroll.

I doubt he will sack his son.

Stroll and Perez already were teammates, but now it looks that it was so long time ago. But I wish that there will be no Lance Stroll by 2026 in Aston Martin.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 21, 2024, 06:26:13 AM

Alonso will leave Aston Martin after next year probably.
So for 2026 the line up can be Stroll-Perez.

The dream for them is to having Max Verstappen and they are trying to do so.

If they end getting him they can put Perez on trash can and do Verstappen Stroll.

I doubt he will sack his son.

Yeah, Stroll is going nowhere, he literally bought an entire team for his own son, so Stroll will always be there without a doubt. I honestly assumed they would get Sainz this season, would have been better than Alonso, could have been long term as well but they didn't do that. That is why I agree that Alonso may have his last season here, but also it looks like every team already got every driver they wanted, I think Perez is out for the season, and being out for a full season makes it harder to come back, just look at Ricciardo.

In any case, Aston Martin has a huge advantage in the upcoming seasons, Adrian Newey. They are going to definitely build a car that will be quite fast and will go for the top places, they had a period that was good, I am sure they will go back to that.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on December 21, 2024, 06:26:13 AM

Alonso will leave Aston Martin after next year probably.
So for 2026 the line up can be Stroll-Perez.

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It is possible, because if it is Perez, he is not someone to be underestimated, especially since he is backed by Telmex who is ready to give Aston Martin a lot of money to make Perez their driver and I think Aston Martin will not refuse the offer as capital for their car development. But even so, Tsunoda still has a chance to enter because Honda is an engine supplier for Aston Martin, so there is still a chance for Tsunoda to enter as their driver if Honda is able to lobby the top brass at Aston Martin.

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We have now a date
Hamilton debut with Ferrari is now rumored for January.
He was unable to run with ferrari for post season test due his old contrcat.
The date not confrimed yet is set for January 21 or January 22 in Fiorano or Mugello.

Not clear if he will do a proper test, a tyre test or a test with an old car.

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We are not going to see Tsunoda leave for at least another season, and when people are making decisions like this, they are thinking everything will go the same before they make these kind of decisions. Meaning, if Tsunoda is like all the time, then they are not going to keep him and he will leave, at which case he could leave for Aston Martin if they are interested, or maybe they will just leave him alone and he will go do something else, there are other racing sports anyways which he could drive for.

However, if he does amazing, like be awesome, and earn a lot of points, do better than expected, and Lawson does terrible, suddenly we may see Tsunoda take even red bulls second spot, let alone keep his seat. These all depends on how he does this season, and he has a lot to work on, there is nothing guaranteed in this space, anything could change very quickly, and that's why they all matter a lot.

One name I would say keep an eye out is Oliver Bearman, he did amazing with Ferrari when he raced a few times, and I think Haas is a terrible team for anyone, but if he can outrace his teammate then he could have a chance to come back and make a Ferrari debut after Hamilton eventually retires, which could be a few seasons at least.

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