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Quote from: Velvet78 on May 10, 2023, 04:00:47 AM

Next week we are going to be in another race week and this time we are in Italy. Last week Verstappen did a really great work by winning the race despite starting at the 9th position. This was very helpful for him to increase the point gap with Perez in driver standings to 14 as well. Fastest lap was also on him so it was a really solid race by him there.

Perez is really ambitious this season. He is doing his best with this very fast car. He would like to prevent the gap from getting bigger in the next race. Maybe he can take another pole position there but when it comes to a win his job will still be difficult against Verstappen of course. He has a more skilled opponent against himself in the end.

@Velvet78 their rivalry has made F1 really interesting to watch this season and I believe that they’ll not go easy on one another hence I’m expecting a tight race once more between these two. Lastly is anyone else disappointed by Hamilton’s performances this season because he’s been performing poorly and I can’t believe that he’s yet struggling thus I wonder how long can he continue to race by putting in such mediocre performances.

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Quote from: Davian144 on May 10, 2023, 03:33:36 AM

The Honda factory team has registered their flagship rider (Marc Marquez) to race at the French MotoGP this week which will take place at the Le Mans circuit. Apart from that, the sanctions he previously received were also abolished after the Honda manufacturer made an appeal with the race organizers, meaning that Marc Marquez could join the race again without being burdened with sanctions such as the Long Laps Penalty. Hopefully there will be more exciting races this week at Le Mans France.

Le Mans one of the most beautiful tracks when it is for MotoGP racing,completely different when it is car racing as the track is very narrow and technical not permitting much to cars but to MotoGP immediately brought back memories to me in the epic fights with Rossi vs Biaggi,Rossi vs Lorenzo many many years ago from now.I think the riders are still good enough the ones taking part in such race and I think it should a be a very beautiful race to enjoy on TV especially after seeing such boring races in F1 completely dominated by Redbull racing,I believe the race of Le Mans to be much different than those and show some good competition between the riders.

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Next week we are going to be in another race week and this time we are in Italy. Last week Verstappen did a really great work by winning the race despite starting at the 9th position. This was very helpful for him to increase the point gap with Perez in driver standings to 14 as well. Fastest lap was also on him so it was a really solid race by him there.

Perez is really ambitious this season. He is doing his best with this very fast car. He would like to prevent the gap from getting bigger in the next race. Maybe he can take another pole position there but when it comes to a win his job will still be difficult against Verstappen of course. He has a more skilled opponent against himself in the end.

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The Honda factory team has registered their flagship rider (Marc Marquez) to race at the French MotoGP this week which will take place at the Le Mans circuit. Apart from that, the sanctions he previously received were also abolished after the Honda manufacturer made an appeal with the race organizers, meaning that Marc Marquez could join the race again without being burdened with sanctions such as the Long Laps Penalty. Hopefully there will be more exciting races this week at Le Mans France.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 07, 2023, 05:18:25 PM

Not very exciting race, I got bored a bit, despite that I support Red Bull. That's just too easy for Verstappen. He started from P9 and he needed just few laps to reach P2 and then reach 1st place after Perez pit stop. And later Checo with older tyres had no chance to keep Max behind.
Alonso - another day in the office and again he is back on podium. I really hope that he will get chance to win race this season.
What Hamilton did is also worth to mention - from P13 to P6, impressive.

That's right, it seems quite boring to see how Verstappen goes from P9 to P1 without any significant resistance from other riders, even though I was waiting for drama between Verstapen and Russel or other riders, but it didn't exist. Even these races feel like "Red Bull" races - they're like racing on a different level compared to the other racers and it's not very entertaining at all.

Absolutely not entertaining at all,this season looks like an exact copy cat of of the 2009 season where Brawn GP had a car for another category and they won the Championship back then in the most boring of the ways,in fact I don't remember anymore boring season in F1 compared to that 2009.We have still time for this one to not become a 2009 again,we have 3 consecutive races in three consecutive weeks starting in 21 May and up and this is the point,the focal point where even in these three races we don't see any other car fighting Redbull it means we will have another super boring season like that of 2009.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 07, 2023, 05:18:25 PM

Not very exciting race, I got bored a bit, despite that I support Red Bull. That's just too easy for Verstappen. He started from P9 and he needed just few laps to reach P2 and then reach 1st place after Perez pit stop. And later Checo with older tyres had no chance to keep Max behind.
Alonso - another day in the office and again he is back on podium. I really hope that he will get chance to win race this season.
What Hamilton did is also worth to mention - from P13 to P6, impressive.

That's right, it seems quite boring to see how Verstappen goes from P9 to P1 without any significant resistance from other riders, even though I was waiting for drama between Verstapen and Russel or other riders, but it didn't exist. Even these races feel like "Red Bull" races - they're like racing on a different level compared to the other racers and it's not very entertaining at all.

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I think that any driver of the f1 can do a podium with this redbull

Even Latifi and mazepin could be on it.
If rbr can pass monaco with a podium the will end the season with the most numbers of podium In a single season

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Verstappen definitely deserved to be selected the driver of the day after that great effort. We even saw him losing a place at the beginning of the race however it wasn't a big obstacle for him to climb so many places anyway. He has a very powerful car and he is such a competitive driver that it didn't take him too long to find himself in a rivalry with Perez for the lead. Verstappen is such a great driver at tyre saving and he was much better than Perez here.

You know that Perez is also very good at it but not the best as it seems. Verstappen was still able to open the gap more with Perez despite having older tyres than him until pitting. Maybe he was behind Perez after the pit but it wasn't a problem at all. It was just too hard for Perez to defend with 25-lap old hard tyres against fresh mediums.

But at least it was nice to see some overtakes among the other drivers in top 10. Still the best race is the Australian GP so far. Grin

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They changed the rule to get easier overtakes, ruining an equilibrated F1 for these cars with the hope to get closer cars and easier overtakes.

After 1 year we have the most dominating car of the decade and the only car that can overtake.

Mission accomplished Grin

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Not very exciting race, I got bored a bit, despite that I support Red Bull. That's just too easy for Verstappen. He started from P9 and he needed just few laps to reach P2 and then reach 1st place after Perez pit stop. And later Checo with older tyres had no chance to keep Max behind.
Alonso - another day in the office and again he is back on podium. I really hope that he will get chance to win race this season.
What Hamilton did is also worth to mention - from P13 to P6, impressive.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 07, 2023, 04:06:01 PM

Not really that shocking for Max to win, many believed that Perez could, because Perez started at pole position and Max was 9th so everyone assumed Max wouldn't really be getting the win today. But looking at his pace on practice runs and the qualifying results before the red flag, dude was faster than anyone else there. Maybe he found the ideal racing line better than others, maybe his car was better than even Perez's car, whatever the reason was, he ended up being faster before the race as well, and easily showed that during the race. I guess we could start congratulating him on his championship for a third time already. He looks like the guy who may retire for a year or two when he is young and come back later on, that just feels like he is too easily winning titles. I doubt he would go for 8 titles, he would win maybe a bit more, go race some other thing, and come back later on to keep on winning titles again, or maybe on a much worse team to just have fun.

Max showed that he is a mature driver now completely different when he was crashing to his team mates and every one near him not that many years ago.In the interview after the race he said it clearly,I stayed out of trouble in the first lap and then I took each car one by one until I clearly was second.He said that they did think a lot about the strategy for these tires yesterday night and in the end it paid off,not for nothing though it was thanks to his extreme bravery,he was doing fast lap after fast lap even when his hard compounds were completely gone after 25 laps which was the winning move for the race.

Perez should have pushed much harder in the first stint but he wanted to conserve somewhat the tires to go and do more laps with them and this was the losing move for the race for him.

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Not really that shocking for Max to win, many believed that Perez could, because Perez started at pole position and Max was 9th so everyone assumed Max wouldn't really be getting the win today. But looking at his pace on practice runs and the qualifying results before the red flag, dude was faster than anyone else there. Maybe he found the ideal racing line better than others, maybe his car was better than even Perez's car, whatever the reason was, he ended up being faster before the race as well, and easily showed that during the race. I guess we could start congratulating him on his championship for a third time already. He looks like the guy who may retire for a year or two when he is young and come back later on, that just feels like he is too easily winning titles. I doubt he would go for 8 titles, he would win maybe a bit more, go race some other thing, and come back later on to keep on winning titles again, or maybe on a much worse team to just have fun.

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Leclerc is still young, but he is now in a phase where he has become or is becoming an experienced driver. And with the Ferrari you also have a top car. Verstappen has also had regular crashes in the past, but he has learned from that. If you crash due to steering errors, you can never become world champion in my experience. But Perez will of course have a great weekend so far. They have now started the race, Verstappen will have to do a lot of work to get to the podium. I think he can overtake anyone but Perez probably not. You also don't want both Red Bull cars to race with each other with the possible risk that they could both crash. That would be a spectacular scenario.

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we got a drop of rain in the night but the track is dry now.

Also small probability of rain during the race with high-speed wind.

That could be a very strange race if we get rain on the track. It is very difficult for drivers to take that into account. Not all drivers are equally good in the rain. Verstappen is by far the best in the rain, but that is definitely not fun for new drivers. We will then see several pit stops. It's strange that so much rain will fall on the circuit in Miami at this time of year, isn't it always dry and sunny there? Perez is of course the favourite. Too bad of Hamilton that he didn't make it to Q3 yesterday in qualifying. They went out much too late. And Leclerc still makes too many mistakes to really have a serious chance of becoming world champion. Verstappen will not make such mistakes.

Yes, Leclerc makes a lot of mistakes. Ferrari must terminate their end-of-season contracts with this driver and Sainz. what could be worse? The team is poorly managed, ok, binotto is gone, fred vasseur is here. It is not easy, the engineering staff will be renewed.. but this will not happen with the pilots. You can't drive at normal performance if you stop using your vehicle at the maximum level. If necessary, your team can make a major move to verstappen etc. must submit an offer. You have nothing to lose anymore. Once, figo went to real madrid from barcelona and things were crazy. These things can happen even in F1.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 07, 2023, 02:26:59 PM

we got a drop of rain in the night but the track is dry now.

Also small probability of rain during the race with high-speed wind.

That could be a very strange race if we get rain on the track. It is very difficult for drivers to take that into account. Not all drivers are equally good in the rain. Verstappen is by far the best in the rain, but that is definitely not fun for new drivers. We will then see several pit stops. It's strange that so much rain will fall on the circuit in Miami at this time of year, isn't it always dry and sunny there? Perez is of course the favourite. Too bad of Hamilton that he didn't make it to Q3 yesterday in qualifying. They went out much too late. And Leclerc still makes too many mistakes to really have a serious chance of becoming world champion. Verstappen will not make such mistakes.

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we got a drop of rain in the night but the track is dry now.

Also small probability of rain during the race with high-speed wind.

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Quote from: Distraction on May 07, 2023, 01:35:00 PM

Even Verstappen made a statement like he aimed the second place during this race after having a poor qualifying session for himself. But Verstappen is still a very ambitious driver so he would do his best for the win anyway. In the end there is no meaning in his letting Perez win without competing hard with him now. Perez is right behind him in driver standings and winning this race will carry him to the lead also.

The weather conditions are also an issue of concern here. Because there have been some rain during the day in Miami. If the track doesn't dry until the race starts then the race can get pretty interesting. This can even be an opportunity for other drivers from different teams to have a much better finish. For example who knows it might even be an opportunity for Alonso to win a race as he is starting in second place already. Grin

The weather conditions is what made me place a funny bet on both McLaren cars to be in the Top 6 at the odd of 101,I just placed some cents in this to add to the emotion of the race,I also bet a couple of other bets like Stroll in top 6 and then in top 8 because I believe Stroll to do a great race as I am assuming he will be starting with hard tires and to be driving a long time without the pit stop and who knows what happens with the safety car and the rain predicted.

For the race winner I have no doubts it will be Perez as long as we are racing in normal conditions but since most likely we are not going to have normal conditions because of the weather I think that this race is a gamble and a lottery and can be anyone win here.

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Even Verstappen made a statement like he aimed the second place during this race after having a poor qualifying session for himself. But Verstappen is still a very ambitious driver so he would do his best for the win anyway. In the end there is no meaning in his letting Perez win without competing hard with him now. Perez is right behind him in driver standings and winning this race will carry him to the lead also.

The weather conditions are also an issue of concern here. Because there have been some rain during the day in Miami. If the track doesn't dry until the race starts then the race can get pretty interesting. This can even be an opportunity for other drivers from different teams to have a much better finish. For example who knows it might even be an opportunity for Alonso to win a race as he is starting in second place already. Grin

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Verstappen will be very disappointed with yesterday's qualifying. Without his fault he can now start in 9th place. That's the risk of going out so late to set up a lap. If there is a yellow flag or a red flag 2 minutes before time, you are done and you have no time at all. In that respect, Red Bull did a clumsy job. If Verstappen were allowed to drive, he would undoubtedly have finished first, because he was by far the fastest of everyone all weekend. An ideal opportunity for Perez to win the F1 race again. And maybe seriously compete for the World Cup title?

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Quote from: Velvet78 on May 07, 2023, 07:30:31 AM

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Verstappen would be the only threat to him even though Verstappen will start in 9th position. I wonder how determined he will be this time to overtake Perez and be the winner.

Verstappen's chances of winning in the upcoming races appear to be quite slim, considering that he started from 9th and above him there are Alonso and Sainz, who have a much better chance than him. Instead, I'm more interested in seeing how Verstappen from 9th place can compete against Russell, where in the last race he was quite angry with Russell for being too aggressive. I want to see how they overtake each other and show who is the best.

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