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Those spectacular crashes in the beginning of the race were just race incidents and the fact that Bagnaia and Vinales hit each other was just the rage of the moment because they came back with the same bike at the pit lane and gave each other hands there.I am really sorry for Marquez which was doing a spectacular race for as what his Honda bike did permit him fighting with Ducatis really hard,except Bezzechi who got away and won the 1000 GP of MotoGP making history as that giant sign said in the beginning of the race,who will make history today.I had Marquez in top three at an odd of 9 and was really sorry when he crashed out of the race,Le Mans though as a race as expected was very beautiful to watch with intense fighting between riders.

This 1000GP race at Le Mans was truly dramatic and exciting from start to finish. How could it not be, as soon as the race started Marc Marquez was immediately able to lead the race and his younger brother Alex Marquez also nudged two other riders, one of which was Brad Binder, causing Brad Binder to fall to 15th position. Even so, Brad Binder was still able to improve his position even though he was hit long penalty lap too, but Brad Binder still managed to finish the race in 6th place.

Apart from that, Bagnaia and Marini also had an unpleasant incident because they both had to stop racing after coming into contact with another rider. In that case it involved Maverick Vinales and also Alex Marquez who was unable to avoid Marini who slipped in front of him, and among these incidents, the most unfortunate thing in the 1000Gp race this time was Marc Marquez who could not finish the race even though he only had two more laps left when he crashed . Even though Marc Marquez had fought fiercely for 25 laps, he had to fall when he was overtaken by Jorge Martin.

Congratulations to Ducati and Marco Bezzecchi from the Mooney vr46 Racing team for winning with a gap of more than 4 seconds, because today their two satellite teams managed to finish on the podium in the 1000Gp race at Le Mans each occupied by Marco Bezzecchi for the first podium of the team Mooney vr46 Racing and two more from the Pramac Racing team who completed podiums two and three. Johan Zarco was also very happy because he was able to get on the podium at his own home in this race. Now let's see if there will be any punishment from the stewards for those who have incidents in this race.

No penalty

https://www.reuters.com/sports/motor-sports/marquez-will-not-serve-penalty-portugal-crash-says-fim-2023-05-09

Very annoying for Bagnaia with the crash with Vinales, in my opinion Bagnaia couldn't do much about it, very bad for the World Championship.

Marc Marquez also had a crash with 2 laps to go, Bezzecchi definitely deserved to win today and it looks like there are 3 Ducatis on the podium.

Marquez is starting second and I placed a bet on him to finish in the top three as the odd was 9 and I don't know why such a high odd.I know that he has just turned back from the injury and he is not fit but the fact that he is second in pole position makes me think that he is going to perform well,I also know that other riders in the sprint made some really good performance by moving up several positions but I think that in the race the concentration is much better from any rider and I think the race will be extra beautiful to watch on TV which I am going to do right now as it is starting.

I just put little money on Marquez just to watch the race with a bit more adrenaline https://stake.com/sports/home?iid=sport%3A81765853&modal=bet

how it is ended with the possibility for Marquez to be penalized?

He should pay a penalty back in Argentina GP but he skipped it for injury, so there was a big discussion going on yesterday.

The last few starts have always been won by KTM, so it could easily be Miller going into the first corner first, I think at the start the Honda is the weakest, but we will see in a moment.

Isn't this the thousandth race now? 🤣🤣

The race will probably be very fierce, especially in the Sprint Race which will start soon so everyone will see how they all compete for first place in the Sprint Race. And judging from the race pace, I think Bagnaia and Marini are both good, as well as Marquez who wasn't too bad in his comeback this time, but I'm still doubtful about Marquez's good results in today's sprint race. Now let's watch the Sprint Race for a bit to see how the race might turn out to be fierce.

The pole position doesn't surprise me with Bagnaia, if he doesn't make a mistake this season he will dominate in MotoGP like Verstappen in Formula 1. Also a very good performance from Marc Marquez with the second starting position but what I haven't found out yet was the time with the Honda or the new Kalex chassis?

With Miller in 4th and the new start device from KTM, it's definitely a race to be reckoned with.

I think it is already getting as close as it could potentially get. Not many people know much about the 2026 changes but they are working on that for a long time, it will be a lot more electric, and a lot less engine power and that means the one with the best chasis would have such a huge advantage as well and we are going to end up with teams that are much closer because all they have to do is copy the best chasis and they will do better.

I am not saying that the teams will not have clear better ones and clear worse ones, that will obviously always happen, but I think top 3-4 teams will fight for win each season and there will be winners from 3-4 different teams and that should be important. I can see less than 100 point difference between drivers champion and next teams best driver.

Actually, in terms of potential, Leclerc is not far behind Verstappen, but the problem here is that the car used by Leclerc is worse than that used by Verstappen and Perez. Coupled with Leclerc's confidence, which continues to be eroded by his declining performance, Leclerc's performance was not optimal, even in the previous season, he was frustrated with catching up to Verstappen, and now coupled with Ferrari's inconsistency, it makes him even more insecure. This is a big homework for Ferrari because they are not only forced to improve the performance of their cars, but also increase the confidence of their drivers.

They can't remove DRS, they need to improve it otherwise it will be impossible to overtake.

These cars are like planes, when they can't stay near another car even if slower in the open air it's like they hit a wall of air with a lot of friction to the air slowing them down.

Strong performance by Miller today at the thousandth MotoGP Gand Prix, Marc Marquez crashed twice but he did his best time with the Kalex chassis. For tomorrow and Sunday it looks like Ducati and KTM will fight for the victory, maybe Aprilia can surprise, Honda and Yamaha I don't trust much.

I initially thought that Verstappen would easily become world champion again this year. Although he made a big impression last race by catching up from 9th to 1st place without any problems, Perez is also serious this season. I didn't think the competition would come from him, I rather thought from someone like Leclerc. But Leclerc still continues to make too many significant mistakes, unfortunately. For now it is an illusion to think that Leclerc will become world champion. As long as Verstappen continues to drive at RedBull, we cannot count on LeClerc having a serious chance at Ferrari to become world champion. It would still be nice to see LeClerc and Verstappen together in a team.

It's really hard to please everybody as these latest spec changes were made to take away Mercedes' dominance and make it more balanced for the other teams.  If they make another major spec change, dominance could go back to Mercedes and we'd all be complainig about it the same way people are currently complaining about RBR .  

Mercedes dominated for 7 years straight starting when F1 switched to the V6.  Red Bull broke their streak the season before the major spec change.

For this season, Bagnaia generally hasn't made many mistakes and Bagnaia's points have also been at the top of the temporary standings after winning at the Jerez Grandprix and also taking the podium at the Jerez Grandprix Sprint Race. This means that the Ducati motorbike that Bagnaia is riding this season is a complete package from the Ducati factory so that the motorbike must be considered as his newest motorbike this season.

As for Marquez, who was able to make a comeback to the race which coincided with the race at Le Mans, I'm not sure that he will get good results right away because he has just recovered from his injury. In addition, the Honda factory this season still looks slow and weak in terms of motorbike development when compared to other manufacturers, especially with European manufacturers such as Ducati, Aprilia and KTM. And even today the riders from the Honda factory and the Honda satellite team will use the new chassis from Kalex which is allegedly the best chassis from Kalex for Honda.

I don't agree with limiting the top teams on changes and upgrades they do to their cars,this removes competition from the table,the only change which I agree FIA should do is to give teams who are in the middle of the standings and in the bottom of the ranking to have unlimited budget and spending until they reach a certain performance and this can be used as an incentive in order to bring competition back.Also the team not performing well should try and get the best engineers for them but in order to do so they have to pay a lot of money,teams who got in this way of thinking by getting the best engineers were usually paid off because they won Championships,McLaren being a crystal clear example of this in past years,I don't know what happened to them in these last years as they are not getting where they deserve to be.

Actually the current FIA rules are pretty strict with regards to budgets, engines and other improvements to cars, but the problem is that right now the FIA seems "too soft" to enforce the rules on some of the top constructors. For example, like in the previous season, Vasseur said that the penalty imposed on Red Bull was quite light, where they were only fined 6 million euros (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/apr/07/red-bulls-penalty -too-light-says-ferrari-chief-fred-vasseur), he even said that it wasn't a penalty at all because of course Red Bull could solve this problem quickly and maybe they will do it again in the future. So the problem now lies with the FIA itself, because the top constructors can exploit the rules and they are not subject to heavy penalties for that.

F1 is a very expensive sport, so unlike football for example (which is also expensive, but not that expensive) we may never see a balance between the constructors and indeed this seems to be a discrepancy that only increases over time. time.

In order to try to make F1 fairer, I think that the better placed teams should be more limited in terms of spending budget, engine changes and general improvements.
As well as less qualified teams should have a greater incentive to improve.

I understand, however, that such measures would be quite controversial and would please very few. In a sport where money is king, something like that would never be approved.
So... let's get used to seeing the "jets fly past the freighters".

Ducati has always been a bike that had the most speed in straights and I don't think the small Le Mans circuit in which the race will take place will have a lot of straights like the big one which is about 3.45 seconds and has a lot of straights so spectacle is most likely guaranteed.We also need here to see some comeback from Bagnaia as he has made a couple of mistakes which can make him get out of the title fight if he continues with the same performance although I still think he is the most favored title contender while I also hope to see a great rider like Marquez what he can do on this track.

It is very logical for what you say because Le Mans has always presented very good races for MotoGP, including when Valentino Rossi competed with Maverick Vinales when they were both at Yamaha. But for the last two seasons I have started to see the dominance of Ducati which is very extraordinary although sometimes other manufacturers start to surprise unexpectedly like the KTM factory did in the previous race at the Jerez circuit. But for this race, I hope that the host riders can make better domination so that the competition becomes more exciting.