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Many people say that Monaco is a boring circuit, because the circuit model is narrow, lacks show, etc., but we can't separate Formula 1 and Monaco, the circuit holds historical, prestigious, and iconic value - every time there is a race, many billionaires from all over the world come to that place just to relax and watch the race, it is one of the important racing agendas for F1 and they don't want to lose a place as iconic as this.
Why can't we separate it? Because of these long extensions at all times. Believe me, if it didn't get extended like this every single time it ends, then we wouldn't even be remembering it now, but because it somehow keeps getting extensions, we keep seeing this. All in all, the only reason is money, F1 makes way too much money at Monaco, and that is why they are extending, has nothing to do with the race itself at all.

It's quite obvious that it's the most boring track in the whole season, and it has absolutely no possible overtaking chances, only a few of them happens, I remember one year, can't remember which, there was a total of 8 overtakes all race long, 8!, there are races where we see 8 overtakes in a single lap, consider how boring Monaco can be. This is why Monaco shouldn't be there, but I will give them one boring race, if it makes them enough money to keep this whole thing going, then we can just accept the way it is right now and move on.

As I said it's not just about money, there are historical factors and other factors that make Monaco an important circuit for F1 racing, and it's true that it's quite annoying because this season and next year we probably won't see many overtaking on that circuit, but in the upcoming regulations where the dimensions of the cars will be reduced, I'm sure Monaco will be quite good for F1 racing and we'll see more overtaking on it. So let's just hope that in the upcoming regulations Monaco can give us a good show - and moreover I don't expect that circuit to disappear from the calendar, even though it's boring but I like that circuit.
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Martin did have a tough fight in the early laps when the Sprint started so Martin was a little annoyed by that although it's not bad for Martin to be third in the Sprint today because he only needs 9th position in the Race tomorrow to be sure of becoming world champion this season. And from what I saw today, it seems Bastianini was quite insistent on passing Martin which may have been an effort by him to help Bagnaia in the Sprint today because both are on the same team, namely the Ducati factory.

As I said before, Baganai and Martin did what they had to do, Bagnaia had to win and Martin had to get a good position at the front of the field.

With Bastianini it will not only be that he wants/needs to help Bagnaia, he will also try to reach third place in the World Championship, presumably he will also collect bonuses from Ducati, whichever position he achieves in the World Championship, so it is also about money and the prestige of staying ahead of Marquez in the World Championship.
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Last lap, and Bagnaia and Martin did exactly what they had to do, Bastinini has now just overtaken Martin on the last lap, but I don't think Martin wants to get second with a crowbar.
Martin did have a tough fight in the early laps when the Sprint started so Martin was a little annoyed by that although it's not bad for Martin to be third in the Sprint today because he only needs 9th position in the Race tomorrow to be sure of becoming world champion this season. And from what I saw today, it seems Bastianini was quite insistent on passing Martin which may have been an effort by him to help Bagnaia in the Sprint today because both are on the same team, namely the Ducati factory.
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Many people say that Monaco is a boring circuit, because the circuit model is narrow, lacks show, etc., but we can't separate Formula 1 and Monaco, the circuit holds historical, prestigious, and iconic value - every time there is a race, many billionaires from all over the world come to that place just to relax and watch the race, it is one of the important racing agendas for F1 and they don't want to lose a place as iconic as this.

Yeah just because of this reason, I don't feel like Monaco track will be removed from the calendar that easy. I will continue to watch it in a bored way but at least qualifying sessions are fun. In the end they are like a decider for race results.  Grin

So who do you guys think is driver number 1 for Ferrari next season...  Hamilton or Leclerc.  Lolol.  I think we'll start seeing something like Hamilton vs Rosberg in Mercedes back in the day.  Cheesy Cheesy  Love to see it.

This is an interesting question to answer. Normally I would pick 7-time world champion Hamilton to be the number 1 driver here. They have offered him a historical contract you know. There must be much more meaning in why they made such move.

Of course Leclerc can fight back hard against him just like Rosberg did in the past. I'm also curious about the potential scenario.  Smiley
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Last lap, and Bagnaia and Martin did exactly what they had to do, Bastinini has now just overtaken Martin on the last lap, but I don't think Martin wants to get second with a crowbar.
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New rule in F1.
After the Gp of Brazil were we got cars that were not able to race after the qualify due car problems with a following blank spot in the grid for the race.
From next Gp o next year, not clear yet, if we have a car retired before the start but qualified we will have not empty spots in the grip but players shifts up position.

Not sure if is a good idea.

Can't see the disadvantage, it is only an advantage for the following drivers.
Honestly, having no car in front of you allows you to gain more speed without changing. Lets assume that you are p5, and you have p3 in front of you, and p2 right across with p4 right near you, if you have a great start, there is a car right in front of you, and you will have to take avoiding action, go right or left, and that means it will slow you down to do this, you can still pass them, plenty of cars we have seen pass each other during the start if they have a great start, but having one spot open right in front of you means you will get a lot better traction and gain a lot more speed towards turn 1 in any race.

So I believe, this doesn't bring in any advantage at all, seems and feels like it would be bad for anyone who would have done better start. To be fair I base all of this on my years of F1 gaming, so I might be wrong lol.
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Soon the MotoGp Sprint Race for the last session of this season will start at the Barcelona Catalunya circuit. With Pecco Bagnaia who will start the Sprint in first place and Jorge Martin in fourth place today, of course this will make the Sprint quite fierce because even though Martin does not have to win to secure himself as a candidate for the MotoGP champion this season, Martin will still fight with whoever is in front to get the first position. In addition, Bagnaia has actually been under quite heavy pressure because he has no other choice but to win today and tomorrow in the full race.
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There is a new contract extension with the Monaco track. It is now until 2031.



https://x.com/F1/status/1857000615223713847

I don't know whether this is good news honestly.  Tongue  Because it is the most boring track in the calendar for me. I bet it is the same for many Formula 1 lovers as well. But anyways...

I guess we can already say Verstappen has reached his 4th title. I mean there is still a mathematical chance for Norris but it is a quite far possibility when we get reasonable. I'm just excitedly waiting for watching Ferrari with a duo like Leclerc - Hamilton next season.  Smiley

I know Monaco is mostly boring for most of you guys but F1 just won't feel the same without it.  It's like if the Italian GP or the Belgian GP was removed from the roster...  That would suck.  I don't mind removing all of the races at the Middle East or some of the Asian GP's except Japan, but yeah...  You guys get the point. 

So who do you guys think is driver number 1 for Ferrari next season...  Hamilton or Leclerc.  Lolol.  I think we'll start seeing something like Hamilton vs Rosberg in Mercedes back in the day.  Cheesy Cheesy  Love to see it.
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Many people say that Monaco is a boring circuit, because the circuit model is narrow, lacks show, etc., but we can't separate Formula 1 and Monaco, the circuit holds historical, prestigious, and iconic value - every time there is a race, many billionaires from all over the world come to that place just to relax and watch the race, it is one of the important racing agendas for F1 and they don't want to lose a place as iconic as this.
Why can't we separate it? Because of these long extensions at all times. Believe me, if it didn't get extended like this every single time it ends, then we wouldn't even be remembering it now, but because it somehow keeps getting extensions, we keep seeing this. All in all, the only reason is money, F1 makes way too much money at Monaco, and that is why they are extending, has nothing to do with the race itself at all.

It's quite obvious that it's the most boring track in the whole season, and it has absolutely no possible overtaking chances, only a few of them happens, I remember one year, can't remember which, there was a total of 8 overtakes all race long, 8!, there are races where we see 8 overtakes in a single lap, consider how boring Monaco can be. This is why Monaco shouldn't be there, but I will give them one boring race, if it makes them enough money to keep this whole thing going, then we can just accept the way it is right now and move on.
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I don't know whether this is good news honestly.  Tongue  Because it is the most boring track in the calendar for me. I bet it is the same for many Formula 1 lovers as well. But anyways...

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Many people say that Monaco is a boring circuit, because the circuit model is narrow, lacks show, etc., but we can't separate Formula 1 and Monaco, the circuit holds historical, prestigious, and iconic value - every time there is a race, many billionaires from all over the world come to that place just to relax and watch the race, it is one of the important racing agendas for F1 and they don't want to lose a place as iconic as this.
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New rule in F1.
After the Gp of Brazil were we got cars that were not able to race after the qualify due car problems with a following blank spot in the grid for the race.
From next Gp o next year, not clear yet, if we have a car retired before the start but qualified we will have not empty spots in the grip but players shifts up position.

Not sure if is a good idea.

Can't see the disadvantage, it is only an advantage for the following drivers.
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There is a new contract extension with the Monaco track. It is now until 2031.



https://x.com/F1/status/1857000615223713847

I don't know whether this is good news honestly.  Tongue  Because it is the most boring track in the calendar for me. I bet it is the same for many Formula 1 lovers as well. But anyways...

I guess we can already say Verstappen has reached his 4th title. I mean there is still a mathematical chance for Norris but it is a quite far possibility when we get reasonable. I'm just excitedly waiting for watching Ferrari with a duo like Leclerc - Hamilton next season.  Smiley
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So Ricciardo isn't in the list of possible would be replacements for Perez then?  That would suck as he accepted the Toro Rosso drive, or whatever they call themselves these days, with an expectation to get his drive back at Red Bull.

He shouldn't have left RBR even with the rising threat called Verstappen at that time.  In whatever state his racing career is in right now, it's his fault.

I mean, I've read nothing about it but it make sense to have him racing for the latest 3 races.
Time is ticking we are only days away from the race so if we hear nothing in the following hours at this point Perez will mostly like race the final races.

After the win of Max and the defeat of Norris in the last GP, there is no more rush I guess to change him asap.



Yup, it wouldn't make any sense at this point as Red Bull isn't in the running to win the constructor's championship...

I want the year to be done already so we can move on to the next season.  Sooo excited with Hamilton at Mercedes and Adrian Newey at Aston Martin.  Wait...  Do we already have the latest driver line up for Aston Martin or is it still gonna be Stroll and Alonso?  I really hope they change things up over there, get rid of Stroll and get a young driver as a long term option for the team.

But yeah..  Next season I'm gonna be a Ferrari and Hamilton fan.  Grin  Rooting for the guy to break Schumacher's record,
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Ferrari will have a shot to win this race according to Leclerc.
He also said that they can have a problem with tyres cause they are too good for this track with tyre managment.

The past year he got the poleposition but Max won, a different year a different RedBull.

On the paper this is a track where Ferrari should perfrom greatly.

36 points behing for them in the construcur cup.
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Yes.

Today also announced the reveal event for the 1st time in hostory.
It will be in London and all drivers and cars will be present in the coming February.

10 teams and 20 cars will be presented in the same day, the event will be public for a price of 75-130$.

I think this is a cool idea hoping we will have a livestream free for it, but knowing them it will be pay per view.
Yeah, Liberty Media really knows how to make money from everything, don't expect that you will be able to watch it for free.
Personally I'm not hyped about reveal events. Especially when in recent years teams don't even show their new cars, they're using previous season cars with new livery. For me only interesting thing in these events to see how new livery will look, especially when there is big changes in design.

Looked at schedule of Las Vegas GP - it looks that I will have to prepare some energy drinks and coffee for weekend. At least we don't have sprint there Cheesy
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Yes.

Today also announced the reveal event for the 1st time in hostory.
It will be in London and all drivers and cars will be present in the coming February.

10 teams and 20 cars will be presented in the same day, the event will be public for a price of 75-130$.

I think this is a cool idea hoping we will have a livestream free for it, but knowing them it will be pay per view.
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Today it was announced that Alpine will use Mercedes engines and gearboxes from 2026 season:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/alpine-announces-mercedes-f1-engine-deal-for-2026-and-beyond/10672363/
Few months back Renault announced about ending their engine programme as it wasn't successful in recent years. Their factory team didn't performed very well and no one else didn't wanted to use these engines.
These news marks the end of long Renault F1 engines era...
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So Ricciardo isn't in the list of possible would be replacements for Perez then?  That would suck as he accepted the Toro Rosso drive, or whatever they call themselves these days, with an expectation to get his drive back at Red Bull.

He shouldn't have left RBR even with the rising threat called Verstappen at that time.  In whatever state his racing career is in right now, it's his fault.

I mean, I've read nothing about it but it make sense to have him racing for the latest 3 races.
Time is ticking we are only days away from the race so if we hear nothing in the following hours at this point Perez will mostly like race the final races.

After the win of Max and the defeat of Norris in the last GP, there is no more rush I guess to change him asap.

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Eddi Jordan said that Sergio Perez will not be in the 2025 Grid.
Get ready for popcorn.

We have 3 contenders for the seat maybe 4, Lawson Colapinto and Tsunoda.
After the poor year from Perez with Redbull there are no chances for him to race another year.

According to him the most probable is Lawson.

So Ricciardo isn't in the list of possible would be replacements for Perez then?  That would suck as he accepted the Toro Rosso drive, or whatever they call themselves these days, with an expectation to get his drive back at Red Bull.

He shouldn't have left RBR even with the rising threat called Verstappen at that time.  In whatever state his racing career is in right now, it's his fault.
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According the latests rumors Perez will may not race with redbull from next week.
They are now "fighting" inside the redbull.

On one side we have Christian Horner and the other side we have Helmut Marko with opposite views.
Horner wants to keep the driver until the end of the season while Marko wants a new driver, probably tsunoda or Lawson.

3 days max and we will know who will the "war"
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