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I also see the incident as a silly thing for Pecco Bagnaia, even though if Bagnaia could have been patient for one more lap and not immediately overtake Alex Marquez in the area where Alex Marquez went wide, Bagnaia would still have taken third place in the race. But unfortunately it didn't happen because Bagnaia was too hasty to overtake Alex Marquez even though it was done because Alex Marquez went wide and tried to get back to his usual line.

The long wait to win again finally came true for Marquez because he had been waiting for it for 1043 days since his last victory at the Italian Emilia Romagna GP and this week MotoGP will also return to the San Marino Misano circuit before the Emilia Romagna GP at the same circuit.

This weekend you have to say well done Ferrari and with their strategy, I've often criticised Ferrari for either messing up their pit stops or choosing the wrong strategy, this weekend they were (with a bit of luck of course as the tyres held out) a nose ahead of McLaren, but RedBull have the bigger problems at the moment, their performance leaves a lot to be desired.

What a race. One of the interesting races this year where the result was quite unexpected because McLaren had led the race from the start, but somehow Ferrari's strategy at the end of the race worked - maybe this was because of Charles' sacrifice in several races to win the race in Monaco and Monza - but I suspect that in the next few races Charles will experience bad luck lol.
For RB, their performance in this race was quite bad, because Max and Perez only got 12 points, it seems they are in a bad position and with the good upgrades from other teams it makes their condition worse. Moreover, the constructor points between RB and McLaren are only 8 points apart, and it seems that in the next few races RB's position will be cut by McLaren.

Unexpected win for Ferrari and Charles Leclerc today in Monza.
Second win for him in Ferrari's Gp.

Another missed opportunity for Mclearen, another win lost, with a better strategy and a no fight on lap 1 between them it was an easy win.

Max now must be worried about the situation, without Adrian Newey RBR is not the same anymore.

The Monza Grand Prix is over. The winner is Charles Leclerc! I'm so happy about his victory at Ferrari's home. 

I wasn't expecting a win from Ferrari today truthfully. Because those qualifying results were showing the opposite. Rather than that, I just hoped to see one of their drivers on podium. They almost had 2 drivers there with one pit stop strategy but Sainz couldn't hold on much with those worn out tyres.

Norris made individual mistakes and finished worse than he could have. By the way I don't know what McLaren is up to... One time they say they are going to focus on Norris' title chance also. The other day they don't make a swap between Norris and Piastri AGAIN.

Here is the full results:

A generally very bad weekend for Bagnaia, scoring only one point in total and then a stupid racing accident today, Bagnaia would probably prefer to forget the weekend.

But a perfect weekend for M. Marquez, congratulations to him, nobody could have beaten M. Marquez this weekend.

It was a shame for Pecco Bagnaia who had a bad start and was also involved in an incident with Alex Marquez when Pecco had found a good pace in every lap. And yes, congratulations to Marc Marquez who has been able to win the race in Aragon 2024 again after 1043 days since he won the Emilia Romagna Gp race in 2021. Marc Marquez is really strong in Aragon and that was very evident from FP1 to the full race today with conditions that could not be overtaken by anyone after the race started.

Mmmmm...  I just hope the journos don't try too hard in make comparisons between him and Verstappen and try to make parallels between the two when there is none.  It'll just put more pressure to Antonelli imho.  And Verstappen is a special case.  I mean we'd be lucky to see another special talent enter the sport when we've just had Verstappen as these special talents come up at least prolly a decade later.

We could have something like a Messi vs Ronaldo scenario in F1 but not really holding my breath for it.  Prepare to be disappointed Merc fans.

Very confident from McLaren with the front row of the grid, it could be really tight for Verstappen now, as seventh place on the grid is not really famous either, it will be a tough race, if Norris finally gets away well at the start this time, it will be difficult for the others, my favourite is definitely Norris.

Pole position for Norris once again the best car is ahead.
Nice improvement for Ferrari but the updates are not still enough to fight for the win.

RBR is in real danged of losing atleast 1 title this year.

Williams in P9 and P10 is quite good, maybe if it was Logan he would have finished in P15 or above LOL - it seems that the upgrades they made have improved their performance quite a bit, now it's up to Albon and Colapinto to secure the best position in the next race session. And for Ferrari, seeing Charles in P3, it seems that their chance to secure pole position is still there, although from FP2 we saw how Mercedes was able to get the best position, but that doesn't mean that Ferrari has lost their chance completely, hoping that at least Charles or Sainz can get a podium in this race.

Mercedes drivers looked really great by taking 1st and 2nd positions in FP3.    Leclerc has done well in practice sessions so far. Verstappen has had big struggles. It doesn't look like he will get a pole position here.

Qualifying session is about to start in 10 minutes. What do you say about the pole? I'm still going with Norris but maybe Leclerc might surprise us.  

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By the way it is official! Kimi Antonelli is driving for Mercedes next year. I'm really keen on watching what he will do. His crashing Russell's car in FP1 comes to my mind.    But aside from that, he is really talented and Toto Wolff is excited about him.

Final hour of free pactice

2024 F1 Italian Grand Prix - Free Practice Results (3)
Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Time
1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m20.117s
2   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m20.210s
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.226s
4   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.252s
5   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.262s
6   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m20.368s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.463s
8   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m20.596s
9   Franco Colapinto   ARG   Williams Racing   1m20.905s
10   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m20.943s
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m20.968s
12   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m21.077s
13   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m21.141s
14   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m21.155s
15   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m21.157s
16   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m21.208s
17   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m21.258s
18   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m21.287s
19   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m21.357s
20   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m22.035s

source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1054303/1/2024-f1-italian-grand-prix-final-practice-results

Pole shoudl be around 1.19.5

It is quite possible for Marc Marquez tomorrow because he has indeed had good achievements in the Aragon circuit since he defended Honda in the past and today it has been proven that no rider can overtake him and fight him well. Marc Marquez's dominance from FP1 until qualifying has given a signal that he can win in Aragon with his current condition so tomorrow's race is very possible for Marc Marquez to win even though there will be fierce resistance from one or two other riders. Besides that, I also don't know what happened to Pecco Bagnaia because he complained yesterday and it was clear that he had a very difficult time in qualifying today.

Great job for Marc Marquez, he won his first sprint race after he dominated the free practice till the qualification.
He is untouchable in the sprint race, Martin could not even get closer to him although Marc made a small mistake in the first lap.
Something wrong with Pecco as he could not compete with the front riders, I'm not sure why but seems that he had a problem with his tire or breaking system.
Tomorrow will be the main race, can Marc win it to make it complete achievement at Aragon?

The final practice or the free practice 3 as it is called showed again a great Mercedes duo at the front yet I am not convinced that Lando and McLaren are giving it all so far in these free practice qualifiers. I would love to see a strong fight and even if Mercedes manages to win the pole position which is highly unlikely for me they will not hang to it during the race, this race track is super fast and for me the most beautiful of the whole calendar when it comes to battles and overtakes. For me most likely McLaren will be going to win the pole position and the race, Redbull and Verstappen are totally out of the equation and I doubt they have the power to do more during the qualifying.

Here's the results for FP2.  Looking good for the old man Lewis Hamilton.  Lol.  But looking at the live table for FP3 right now...  It's look good for Leclerc with just 11 mins to go.  He's followed by Piastri then Norris to make up the top 3.

So it looks like the upgrades done by Ferrari for their home race might do wonders.  But will Sainz spoil the party?    I'll guess we'll find out at quali.

2024 F1 Italian GP FP2 Results

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m20.738s
2   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.741s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.841s
4   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.858s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m20.892s
6   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m21.086s
7   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m21.140s
8   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m21.300s
9   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m21.316s
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m21.363s
11   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m21.461s
12   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m21.499s
13   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m21.592s
14   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m21.610s
15   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m21.678s
16   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m21.735s
17   Franco Colapinto   ARG   Williams Racing   1m21.784s
18   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m21.819s
19   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m21.867s
20   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m22.223s

Free Practice one results

2024 F1 Italian Grand Prix - Free Practice Results (1)
Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Time
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m21.676s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m21.904s
3   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m21.917s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m22.126s
5   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m22.127s
6   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m22.199s
7   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m22.214s
8   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m22.220s
9   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m22.311s
10   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m22.315s
11   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m22.572s
12   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m22.605s
13   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Visa Cash App RB F1 Team   1m22.714s
14   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m22.763s
15   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber   1m22.854s
16   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team   1m22.864s
17   Franco Colapinto   ARG   Williams Racing   1m22.880s
18   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m22.880s
19   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m23.157s
20   Andrea Kimi Antonelli   ITA   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m23.955s

Souce: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1054142/1/2024-f1-italian-grand-prix-friday-practice-results


Pole position of 2023 was 1.20.2 so this year we will probabaly go near 1.19 even if they changed a bit the layout.

Yeah, it was interesting. But considering a statement by Leclerc lately, it makes sense. Leclerc said something like the reason of the improvement was to get to know the car better in time. It looks like Ferrari drivers have been struggling with adapting to this year's car.    Maybe the car has much more potential just as we saw it last week.

We will find out this weekend of course. FP1 has been left behind and Ferrari were good by Leclerc's finishing as the 2nd and Sainz being behind by 2 positions. FP2 is going on currently.

Verstappen is looking for putting an end to this series. It is 5 races without a win now.

Looking at today's result, yes King Marq seems to be more powerful compared to the other riders including Pecco and Martin.
Now the question is, will he able to be consistent or even better in the Qualifying race or not.
By the way, if we look at the all the races so far, Marq is not that good when he started the race from the front row but he could do amazing race when he started from out of the first 4 rows.
Well, lets see and wait for tomorrow to know what Marq can do and what the other riders can do especially Pecco, Martin and Enea.