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Quote from: tokeweed on August 08, 2024, 05:36:27 AM

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According to last rumors and speculation we have the following situation.

Adring Newey is se to join Aston Martin for a contract of 100m €.
In 2026 Verstappen will may join the team.

Remember that in 2026 we will have a new revolution of cars so it will be a "fresh" start for everyone, once again.

Yeah Newey being offered 100m GBP by Aston is already known and we also know that Newey could talk a year off and go on a sabbatical. There are also talks swirling around that Newey was interested in Ferrari for less money but the problem is Ferrari won't give him 100% control of the technical side of the team. :-/ Newey to Ferrari would've been sweet.

As for the fresh start on 2026, I think Ferrari will be ahead of the pack in terms of engine power. No good reason why, except that Lewis Hamilton has a knack for transferring to the best F1 team after major rule changes. Grin

While I do agree that Newey is by far the best at what he does, Ferrari is not a team that you take the full control no matter who you are, they would rather lose than give the keys to one person, that's just not how their business operates. They are famously a "race company that sells cars", they are not a car company that also races like Mercedes, Mercedes could stop f1 today and would still sell a ton of cars, probably do not sell that much just because of F1 anyway, or red bull could still keep on selling their drinks.

But Ferrari isn't like that, they are not selling cars as a business, their business is racing, they are a racing team, they only sell cars in order to afford racing and that's the biggest difference. That's why you could never have 100% control there.

Newey would be fine with Aston Martin, and Alonso will probably retire by 2026 so Max would be a good choice, and Stroll is doing fine as the owner, except keeping his son lol, but I am sure Lance will not be an issue to Max, they will keep on winning with Max if Newey builds another good car and I am sure he is already looking into new regulations and trying to figure out how to build a good car for that year.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 08, 2024, 01:30:07 PM

Turned out that in the Sainz contract he will have a release clause.
The clause will enable him to move to a bigger team.
The team principal tried to cool down the situation but it went viral very quickly.

So for the next year we will have Sainz and Albon on the am for sure, with a Williams making a big project for 2026.

But will Sainz be on the team on 2026? I doubt.

He is supposed to join Audi in 2026 as there are a lot of voice circulating about his career to have such a move.He is a great driver and surely he has beat several times Leclerc in the head 2 head battles that they have had so far but Ferrari insists on Leclerc from many years now.For 2025 I also think he will not move anywhere as I doubt a bigger team will have a seat available for him for the 2025 unless some more drama happens than it already happened in 2024 at Redbull.

One thing is sure,this is a really boring weekend and we have another one like that before finally going back to 25 August when racing will be back,can't wait for that time as weekends without F1 are extremely boring.

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Turned out that in the Sainz contract he will have a release clause.
The clause will enable him to move to a bigger team.
The team principal tried to cool down the situation but it went viral very quickly.

So for the next year we will have Sainz and Albon on the am for sure, with a Williams making a big project for 2026.

But will Sainz be on the team on 2026? I doubt.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 07, 2024, 05:01:18 AM

^ Verstappen's contract has a clause that he has an option to leave Red Bull if the team can't give him a car that could win podiums. And we have Toto Wolff looking like he's going after Verstappen... I guess a possible destination for Verstappen would be a Mercedes? That would depend if they could offer him a better car.

As for Horner, that's just what I think. But Ferrari did give him an offer a couple of years back after they gave Binotto the sack. Pretty sure they're interested in Horner.

And I don't think Newey is taking any job after this season. I think he'll take a year off.

Toto Wolff wants Verstappen so bad. He is ready to express his admiration to Verstappen at every opportunity. Grin

It wouldn't be bad to see him driving for Mercedes. Russell and Verstappen in the same team. Sounds interesting. Their engine for 2026 season is said to be competitive. But we don't know much about how strong the car would be in general.

I have heard Vasseur blocked the way for Newey to join Ferrari. If it is true then I would rather see Horner as the new boss. Last, I feel like Newey will sign for a team rather than taking a year off. But we will see.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 07, 2024, 09:43:51 AM

According to last rumors and speculation we have the following situation.

Adring Newey is se to join Aston Martin for a contract of 100m €.
In 2026 Verstappen will may join the team.

Remember that in 2026 we will have a new revolution of cars so it will be a "fresh" start for everyone, once again.

Yeah Newey being offered 100m GBP by Aston is already known and we also know that Newey could talk a year off and go on a sabbatical. There are also talks swirling around that Newey was interested in Ferrari for less money but the problem is Ferrari won't give him 100% control of the technical side of the team. :-/ Newey to Ferrari would've been sweet.

As for the fresh start on 2026, I think Ferrari will be ahead of the pack in terms of engine power. No good reason why, except that Lewis Hamilton has a knack for transferring to the best F1 team after major rule changes. Grin

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on August 07, 2024, 09:43:51 AM

According to last rumors and speculation we have the following situation.

Adring Newey is se to join Aston Martin for a contract of 100m €.
In 2026 Verstappen will may join the team.

Remember that in 2026 we will have a new revolution of cars so it will be a "fresh" start for everyone, once again.

Lawrence Stroll remembered he was very rich then. Tongue

He has such a big wealth but his not making big steps for Aston Martin so far made me disappointed.

But it looks like that move is finally coming. Newey wouldn't say no to such offer for sure. In case he joins the team officially, we should see a title challenger Aston Martin. Cool

When it comes to Verstappen topic, he is always open to sign for any winner team. It could surely be Aston Martin too. But being teammates with Alonso would be quite interesting... Alonso wouldn't be like Perez in the end. He would push hard. But if he doesn't decide to retire until then of course.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 05, 2024, 06:53:27 AM

I think the writing is on the wall. Max Verstappen stays at Red Bull and so will Helmut Marko. But there will be a somewhat surprise departure... And that will be Christian Horner to Ferrari. Not really a surprise anymore really. As his contract clause could've already been activated with Adrian Newey's departure from the team.

Verstappen and Red Bull will be in all kinds of problems and challenges that I might start liking them again. Cheesy

One by one important figures leave RB, this might be a tough season for RB since they have to fight by relying on the existing team and Max, plus the increasing performance of McLaren and Mercedes is adding to their difficulties. Although RB's chances are still open to win the constructor and driver championships, it will not be as easy as the 2023 season, and Christian Horner must think about the best way to use all their resources to improve their performance.
But from all that I am quite happy, because a competitive environment like this makes me like watching F1 more. And I hope that Ferrari can follow soon to improve their performance.

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According to last rumors and speculation we have the following situation.

Adring Newey is se to join Aston Martin for a contract of 100m €.
In 2026 Verstappen will may join the team.

Remember that in 2026 we will have a new revolution of cars so it will be a "fresh" start for everyone, once again.

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^ Verstappen's contract has a clause that he has an option to leave Red Bull if the team can't give him a car that could win podiums. And we have Toto Wolff looking like he's going after Verstappen... I guess a possible destination for Verstappen would be a Mercedes? That would depend if they could offer him a better car.

As for Horner, that's just what I think. But Ferrari did give him an offer a couple of years back after they gave Binotto the sack. Pretty sure they're interested in Horner.

And I don't think Newey is taking any job after this season. I think he'll take a year off.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 05, 2024, 06:53:27 AM

I think the writing is on the wall. Max Verstappen stays at Red Bull and so will Helmut Marko. But there will be a somewhat surprise departure... And that will be Christian Horner to Ferrari. Not really a surprise anymore really. As his contract clause could've already been activated with Adrian Newey's departure from the team.

Verstappen and Red Bull will be in all kinds of problems and challenges that I might start liking them again. Cheesy

I also think Verstappen would stay there as long as he continues to become champion. However the first time he loses the title to another driver and realizes Red Bull can't give him this chance anymore, I think he would leave. Because he doesn't have a special bond with Red Bull. He is there to win titles only.

But as far as I know he loves to be with Marko also.

Christian Horner to Ferrari? Hm... That's something I'm hearing new. About Adrian Newey, they say he is about to sign for Aston Martin soon. We had better get ready for a much stronger team after his arrival. Wink

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Quote from: Distraction on August 01, 2024, 11:20:03 AM

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we have some kinda of news.

Sergio Perez will stay until the end of season, don't know after the end of the season.
Alpine has a new team pricipal, his name is Olivier Oakes and he will be the second youngest team principal in the history of the F1.

Following the Sergio Perez news, we have a new one for Riccardo.
He will stay in Visa Cash App until the end of the season, he was about to get promoted in RBR over Perez.

Look at that. Red Bull is still insisting on keeping Perez. It is like announcing that they are okay with losing constructor championship as of now. Grin

Because it looks very difficult for them to be champions even this year. I'm sad to see Perez in this condition truthfully. He wasn't driving this badly in the past. He has just lost his competitiveness, just as Ricciardo also has.

https://x.com/redbullracing/status/1818983239144423909

Another parting at Red Bull. They have lost their sporting director to Audi. Helmut Marko continues to love his important members one by one. As Red Bull is losing their dominance lately, I wonder how they will end up.

I think the writing is on the wall. Max Verstappen stays at Red Bull and so will Helmut Marko. But there will be a somewhat surprise departure... And that will be Christian Horner to Ferrari. Not really a surprise anymore really. As his contract clause could've already been activated with Adrian Newey's departure from the team.

Verstappen and Red Bull will be in all kinds of problems and challenges that I might start liking them again. Cheesy

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Quote from: panjul07 on August 04, 2024, 09:43:45 AM

A nice race today where 3 riders are competing for the 1st podium, Pecco leading for several laps then overtaken by Martin.
Martin lead for other several laps but Enea was trying hard and successfully overtake the 1st position from Martin and surprisingly made a nice gap.
Marq Marquez and Aleix were able to be on the leading group but the gap became bigger so they could not compete for the podium.
Congrats for Enea who won the Sprint race and the main Race, he needs more consistency for the upcoming races to prove that he is a great rider that should not be abandoned by Ducati.

Enea Bastianini is a rider who will be dumped by Ducati next season because the Ducati factory prefers Marquez to fill Bastianini's seat next season. Meanwhile, Martin is a rider who was not chosen by Ducati to fill the seat so that both riders will leave Ducati next season because this is their last season with the Ducati brand and the results they got at Silverstone certainly hit Ducati's top brass a bit, especially since Bastianini has also succeeded in shifting Marquez to third place in the current standings after being able to win in the Sprint and main races.

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There are 3 drivers with 0 points at the bottom of driver standings now: Zhou, Bottas and Sargeant. 2 drivers from Kick Sauber shows how terrible their condition is. Sad

I wasn't expecting them to be this bad at the beginning of the season. They didn't only make zero progress, they even went backwards. I have read they are expecting to get some points soon but for now I just think they need to get really lucky for that.

On the other hand Sargeant is also very bad. He can't compete well against his teammate and he is about to lose his seat to Sainz too of course. F1 is not for Sargeant as it seems.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 05, 2024, 03:08:28 AM

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I really don't know... They didn't want to cause Piastri to lose the chance to get his first win because of a bad pit strategy. But I still believe it is good for only the short term. In my opinion, they should have thought about the long term the most. If Norris misses the title chance because of losing those 7 points, there would be no return from that. Sad

In that situation, I don't know what Zak Brown will have to say to Norris. But first we will see what Norris will do as of now. I didn't like his performance even a bit in Belgium. He was so slow compared to Piastri.

That would be a big explanation if Norris ends up 6 points behind Verstappen, but it doesn't look like it at the moment, Norris is not fast enough at the moment, Verstappen's lead should be enough, RedBull is not the fastest car at the moment, but it's always good for a podium, plus there will be improvements on almost all cars after the summer break.

I doubt there will be huge improvements to any other cars beside Redbull.I think so because all other teams have harmony in their offices and are having fun in their well deserved vacations.It is a completely different thing at Redbull garage where the atmosphere is tense to say the least and the nerves could also be felt in Verstappen radio messages,so most likely they will be the only one to work during this summer break.

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Quote from: Distraction on August 04, 2024, 11:10:28 AM

I really don't know... They didn't want to cause Piastri to lose the chance to get his first win because of a bad pit strategy. But I still believe it is good for only the short term. In my opinion, they should have thought about the long term the most. If Norris misses the title chance because of losing those 7 points, there would be no return from that. Sad

In that situation, I don't know what Zak Brown will have to say to Norris. But first we will see what Norris will do as of now. I didn't like his performance even a bit in Belgium. He was so slow compared to Piastri.

That would be a big explanation if Norris ends up 6 points behind Verstappen, but it doesn't look like it at the moment, Norris is not fast enough at the moment, Verstappen's lead should be enough, RedBull is not the fastest car at the moment, but it's always good for a podium, plus there will be improvements on almost all cars after the summer break.

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Quote from: karabiber on August 04, 2024, 09:49:38 AM

I'm looking forward to the developments in the summer break.

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Me too!
The fact is that Formula 1 goes on vacation with more unknowns than certainties...

After a monotonous start, Formula 1 has risen from the ashes and created good expectations for the second part of the 2024 season, because look... Red Bull has gone backwards and no longer has the best car, it would be a good opportunity for the However, competitors McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari have not yet managed to make the most of this situation.

It is unquestionable that McLaren has the best car on the grid at the moment (my opinion), but Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri need to stop making so many mistakes if they still want to achieve more victories in the rest of the year, on the other hand Lewis Hamilton and George Russell proved who finally managed to come to terms with the regulations and left the whole world with very positive expectations for the post-holiday period.

The only thing that discourages me is seeing that Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz's team got lost along the way and now needs to work on solutions to the SF-24's problems... I hope they can recover.

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So Bastianini won today and he ate some points to Martin and Bagnaia.
I've only seen the latest 5 laps but I guess Martin got problem with his tyres since he was 1st and he lost 3 seconds in the end.
Same thing for Bagnana I have read he was 1st not so long before.

The race for the world title is still open.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on August 03, 2024, 12:14:08 PM

Why is McLaren so stupid now after the stable order? They gave away points there, they would have got the same number of points in the constructors' championship even if Norris had won, so I didn't understand the radio message, "Lando you can't win the championship on your own and let him pass", what was that all about there and now?

I really don't know... They didn't want to cause Piastri to lose the chance to get his first win because of a bad pit strategy. But I still believe it is good for only the short term. In my opinion, they should have thought about the long term the most. If Norris misses the title chance because of losing those 7 points, there would be no return from that. Sad

In that situation, I don't know what Zak Brown will have to say to Norris. But first we will see what Norris will do as of now. I didn't like his performance even a bit in Belgium. He was so slow compared to Piastri.

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Now things could get even more exciting in the MotoGP World Championship, suddenly Bastinini is no longer 50 points behind the new World Championship leader Martin. What were Ducati thinking letting Martin and Bastinini go, the possibility exists that the current Ducati world champion will not ride for Ducati next year, what a great move by Ducati 🤦

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I'm looking forward to the developments in the summer break. The uncertainty of Sergio Perez's situation is putting pressure on the driver and making Max's hegemony more and more felt. On the Red Bull side, I don't see a single positive strategy for him. Carlos Sainz is having a season of ups and downs. Sainz's performance has been the definition of instability. Let's see how the change will be reflected in the coming season.

Norris and Piastri have the wind at their backs at the moment. Everything is going well for them. I'm looking forward to see how their performances will continue after the break with Lewis Hamilton. If Charles Leclerc, George Russell and Fernando Alonso can shake off their bad luck, we're in for a good second half in F1. I'm looking forward to it.

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