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It has everything to do with the new rules introduced by F1. It seems to be a fight between Verstappen and Leclerc, but we would rather see that than another fight between Hamilton and Verstappen. I wouldn't write off Mercedes just yet. If they can find the right composition and change of the car, there is no one better than Hamilton who can achieve the greatest performance with that car. We've only had 3 races, but the start is promising for Ferrari, a dream start. Red Bull will be very disappointed with those 2 failures.

Ferrari certainly has the best package at the moment in terms of performance and reliability, in the corners the Ferrari is very fast and on the straights they have a reliable and strong power unit. RedBull is slightly faster on the straights, which is actually unusual, but the power unit is not reliable enough to always be operated at the limit. If there are more defects, there will soon be a penalty for RedBull.

Mercedes does not yet understand the porposing exactly, but in the last race Hamilton had sensors on the car, which is not usual to understand it better. Will be an exciting season with no advantages for Ferrari.

Am I the only one thinking that Ferrari was going to dominate anyway even if Red Bull didn't have reliability issues?  It seems like the narrative the journalists want to sell us is 'it will close season between Ferrari and Red Bull if not for the reliability issues' when it's pretty obvious Ferrari has the better package.

And that race Verstappen won was situational.  It took two yellow flags to help him close the gap with Leclerc.

Ducati tops the constructors' standings after the first 4 races of the season.

When compared to last season, KTM has increased significantly while Yamaha is the opposite. _{source: gpcornercom}

Aprilia and Suzuki also didn't have any significant changes, but Honda was a bit worse compared to last season after the first 4 series this year, how do you all guys react ?

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The high part change in Fernando Alonso's car draws a lot of attention, he is already in the third engine for the start of the season, I hope they fixed this problem once and for all.

I believe that the high exchange of parts at the beginning of the season is justified by the big changes in the cars that F1 has had this season.

Yesterday or rather six days ago was a very good day for Ducati!

In MotoGP, Enea Bastianini successfully won and Jack Miller also managed to secure the third podium.

In WorldSBK, Aruba.it Racing Ducati's new and old-school racer, Alvaro Bautista, was not overtaken by his opponents in Race 2 of the Aragon series.

Then in the MotoAmerica event, former MotoGP racer, Danilo Petrucci, managed to secure another victory in Race 2 of the COTA series. ^{Source: gpracingindonesia}

F1, we are still missing the Verstappen update but this is the situation about substitutions parts of cars.

Some parts can be changed 3 times, some 4 before going into a penalty.



Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/tabella-sostituzioni-power-unit-melbourne-613416.html

Alonso and Tsunoda are already in their last component.

The problem with the reliability issues is that even though Red Bull has shown that they could win races, and even though if they fail they are the second best at least, Max is like 5th or 6th right now even after winning one race, why? Because, he lost out getting points on two races so far. You are losing 18 points each on races that could have been second even if not first, hell you could finish in top 10 at any place and still get "some" points whereas this way they are getting zero.

So, max already lost out on 2 races, which is bad enough, but if they keep on not being able to finish races, it doesn't matter if they have a good car or not, or good driver or not, if you do not finish, you do not win.

If anything it shows how really weak they are when competing in engine manufacturing vs the likes of Mercedes and Ferrari which the latter is basically F1.  Like it or not, deny it or not Ferrari helped build the foundations of the sport of F1.  On one end I get it, Red Bull needs to spend more for research and development but on the other end, what's fair is fair and it should be denied.

But then again Red Bull knows they will be denied, why bring it up in the first place?  I feel like there's some mind games going on here.  Some talks are also swirling around that there's a Red Bull - Porsche engine tie up on 2026.

We need one to challenge the Ferraris honestly,be it Redbull or Mercedes or even McLaren after showing signs of recovery in the last race which was a very technical track.Redbull have reliability problems which is a big red flag as it can break your race while for example you are winning it.A good thing is at Mercedes we haven't seen reliability problems so most likely as they have promised they will be fighting for victories in the second half of the season which unfortunately for them and the fans will be to late.

Toprak Razgatlioglu's concern that Yamaha is not compatible with the MotorLand Aragon Circuit, Spain, has finally been proven.

Since the first round of World Superbike (WSBK) 2022 race on Saturday (9/4/2022) to Superpole Race and Race 2 which was held on Sunday (10/4/2022), the WSBK world champion from Pata Yamaha with Brixx WorldSBK Team was only able to finish P3.

Throughout the weekend in Aragon, Razgatlioglu's Yamaha R1 was unable to match the speed of Alvaro Bautista's flagship Ducati Panigale V4 R and Jonathan Rea's Kawasaki ZX-10RR.

"In conditions like this, third position is good, it's maximum," said Razgatliogu, who was the best Yamaha rider throughout the weekend in Aragon.

In front of a number of reporters he admitted to having problems with the front tire since Saturday. During the Superpole Race on Sunday morning, Razgatlioglu admitted that the situation had started to improve somewhat.

“The problem reappeared in Race 2. My braking was not good. Every now and then the rear tire is lifted so that my deceleration is often not as desired.

“Admittedly, we were never good at this (Aragon) track. So we're just trying to get as many points as possible here."

After mastering two races on Sunday, many remember when Bautista wiped out victories from the initial 11 races of the 2019 WSBK also on the Ducati Panigale V4 R. When asked whether Bautista would be like three years ago, Razgatlioglu answered diplomatically.

“Back then, I could barely see him because he was too far ahead. But this year I will be watching him in every race. Conditions (competition) like this are good. I think we can fight back in Assen (Netherlands) later," said Razgatlioglu.

"I estimate that I will be able to do better in Assen later," said the winner of the 18 races at WSBK.

“The other Yamaha riders chose to use the new electronic system. But I feel more comfortable with the old system.” ^{(Source : motorsport.com / sport.zone_id)}

In this case I really agree with what you are saying because I also saw several other riders who were unable to win the world championship again after their injuries, for example like Mick Doohan, who in the end the 1999 world champion was taken by his teammate Doohan namely Alex Criville, another example is Casey Stoner, who was injured at the beginning of the 2012 season so he was unable to compete for the world championship at that time, as well as Valentino Rossi, who was injured in 2010 so he was unable to become world champion after that.

Rossi will remain a legend in MotoGP for a long time, I don't think Marquez (even though he is a very good rider) will ever reach that status. I think Marquez's career will be over soon, I don't think he will be able to become world champion after all the injuries.

The only one I would put on a par with Rossi at the moment is Mick Doohan, but that was a very different era, even though Rossi was already racing in the 2 stroke 500cc class, that was very very dangerous indeed.

I don’t think they’ll be given the permission, because they brought the Honda factory and this will look like they’re trying to find a loophole within the rules. Also this season Ferrari should be winning most of the races, unless Mercedes can quickly fix their mess, other wise only Red Bill will be left to challenge Ferrari for the title.

Technically speaking they removed themselves form Honda, bought the Honda factory that built the F1 engines, and they are building their own engines right now. Is it "red bull engine"? Technically no, it is still Honda engine that is owned by red bull, instead of leased by them yearly.

So, could they spend more on their engine? They could, the rules say that if you are a new engine manufacturer then you should be spending more to catch up, but at the same time this engine was worked on for a decade already, no idea if spending more is needed, the case is for new engine manufacturers and not for improving an already existing engine by someone else. If this is the case, Mercedes could give their engine to McLaren next year or Williams and tell them to spend a lot, and improve, and then get it back year after that and spend more and keep repeating that.

Good sign from Mercedes, we probably never seen something like this from RedBulls.

Source: https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1514547782945812482

In terms of the package of the motorbike that Enea Bastianini is riding this year, it is purely last year's specifications which are very complete and easy to control by every rider.
It is proven that for this year Bastianini has won twice and also last year Bagnaia had won several times with the GP21 motor spec that he used last year.
So for this year the factory Ducati team is obviously a little difficult with this year's spec bike so there are still small things that need to be improved on the current bike.

Age is something that cannot be denied by anyone in any sport, including MotoGP. Well when Lorenzo came to MotoGP in 2008 it was also not immediately good in competition, while Rossi continued to win races and world championships in 2008 and also in 2009. Right in 2010 Rossi suffered an injury that required him to miss several races so Lorenzo was able to take advantage of the situation to captured his first victory and world championship in the MotoGP class.
While Marquez is a new person who has entered MotoGP since 2013 where Rossi himself is getting older even though he can still compete in front of the easy racers at that time and also won several races.


There are still many records that have not been obtained by Lorenzo before retiring and also by Marquez who is still racing until now, so every comparison there must be an advantage in only one rider and that is Rossi and not the other.

While I think Rossi is an absolute legend I also think that he was somewhat lucky to fight against his main rival Max Biaggi the hardest battles which in the end crowned Rossi as the winner of the top class several years in a row.Many will say that when Lorenzo come Rossi was old and maybe this was the truth,but since then Lorenzo and after him Marquez they both beat Rossi but being younger at age than Rossi.

Sure there is no comparison in titles and GP wins between Rossi,Lorenzo and Marquez because Rossi has much more but just stating that these guys had their glory in different times.

I think so too, especially for the factory team. The customer teams that have the specifications from last year definitely have it a bit easier than the factory team, because they can fall back on data from last year, it's more difficult for the factory team, but it should be expected from a factory team that they can manage that.


Yamaha has unfortunately not done anything or improved the engine over the winter, which clearly shows Suzuki, who have the same engine concept.

The Ducati factory team also uses the engine specification from last year and not the current one.