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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 14, 2022, 07:14:48 PM

I already wanted to check weather forecast for upcoming race, but forgot that we're in Bahrain Cheesy

. Anyway, seems that it won't be that hot, 24-26°C during Saturday and Sunday. So, maybe teams won't have problems with overheating brakes.

I imagine teams will have all sorts of problems, as these are brand new car designs that haven't been properly tested in a full-speed race situation yet. I'm expecting a few retirements, as there are a few teams who have had reliability issues in the pre-season. We've still yet to see really whether the closer racing is possible or how much of an issue tyre deg will be, too.

But the new season is nearly here now... can't wait!

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Quote from: Davian144 on March 15, 2022, 03:49:55 AM

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At the Mandalika MotoGP Grand Prix, I'm more curious to see if the officials have managed to get the circuit in optimal condition to ensure the safety of the riders. The layout of the Grand Prix doesn't look so fast, so the Yamaha riders might not have such a big disadvantage, but I don't think they can fight for the victory.

I also see that for Yamaha, but if the Yamaha factory riders can continue to put pressure on their opponents during the Race, then victory is still very possible to achieve even though it is not an easy thing for Yamaha, let alone having to devour 27 Laps during the Race. Which is very demanding of the racers in terms of maintaining their tires very well.

I don't see the chances for Yamaha like that, but there are only a few days left until the Grand Prix, on Saturday after the qualifying we will already know more if the Yamaha riders have a chance on the podium, last year Yamaha also had problems with the tyres for a long time. It will take a bit of luck to choose the right tyres for the many laps including corners. At Mandalika it could easily be that the Suzuki riders could be the secret favourites.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on March 15, 2022, 03:43:07 AM

At the Mandalika MotoGP Grand Prix, I'm more curious to see if the officials have managed to get the circuit in optimal condition to ensure the safety of the riders. The layout of the Grand Prix doesn't look so fast, so the Yamaha riders might not have such a big disadvantage, but I don't think they can fight for the victory.

I also see that for Yamaha, but if the Yamaha factory riders can continue to put pressure on their opponents during the Race, then victory is still very possible to achieve even though it is not an easy thing for Yamaha, let alone having to devour 27 Laps during the Race. Which is very demanding of the racers in terms of maintaining their tires very well.

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Quote from: Davian144 on March 15, 2022, 02:33:07 AM

It is planned that the Mandalika MotoGP Race will be held for 27 laps, for Moto2: 25 laps, Moto3: 23 laps and ATC: 16 laps

MotoGP : 27 laps (116.1 Km)
Moto2 : 25 laps (107.5 km)
Moto3 : 23 laps (98.9 km)

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When I saw the number of laps, it immediately occurred to me that the area of the Mandalikan circuit is not too big, it looks like the Qatar Circuit because from several races I have seen, the smaller the size of the circuit, the more laps there will be, and vice versa. Is that true ?

At the Mandalika MotoGP Grand Prix, I'm more curious to see if the officials have managed to get the circuit in optimal condition to ensure the safety of the riders. The layout of the Grand Prix doesn't look so fast, so the Yamaha riders might not have such a big disadvantage, but I don't think they can fight for the victory.

Layout of the Mandalika Grand Prix.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandalika_International_Street_Circuit

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It is planned that the Mandalika MotoGP Race will be held for 27 laps, for Moto2: 25 laps, Moto3: 23 laps and ATC: 16 laps

MotoGP : 27 laps (116.1 Km)
Moto2 : 25 laps (107.5 km)
Moto3 : 23 laps (98.9 km)

^{Source: motorsport & gpcornercom}

When I saw the number of laps, it immediately occurred to me that the area of the Mandalikan circuit is not too big, it looks like the Qatar Circuit because from several races I have seen, the smaller the size of the circuit, the more laps there will be, and vice versa. Is that true ?

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I already wanted to check weather forecast for upcoming race, but forgot that we're in Bahrain Cheesy

. Anyway, seems that it won't be that hot, 24-26°C during Saturday and Sunday. So, maybe teams won't have problems with overheating brakes.

Quote from: RealMalatesta on March 14, 2022, 01:40:31 PM

I would guess that the "never get it" option would be even better Cheesy

Obviously big get well soon to Danny and hopefully he gets better until the new season starts. We saw what we can see from the cars already and from here on out I believe that it is all about just getting a bit more racing done.

Yeah, option "never get it" is the best one. But probably it's only matter of time when most us will get covid. From all my friends, colleagues, family, there is very few left who still didn't had covid.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 13, 2022, 06:28:26 PM

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Daniel Ricciardo is positive to COVID.
If he can't recover Oscar Piastri will be probably his substitute for the race, borrowed from ALPINE.

He is an elite driver.

I think it's unlikely that Ricciardo won't recover until the new season, though it would be interesting to see Piastri. It's a bit shity situation to get Covid and miss tests with completely new car, but still, it's probably better than getting Covid during the season and miss race because of it.

I would guess that the "never get it" option would be even better Cheesy

Obviously big get well soon to Danny and hopefully he gets better until the new season starts. We saw what we can see from the cars already and from here on out I believe that it is all about just getting a bit more racing done.

Lando got in a lot of racing thanks to being out there all day. They had to keep getting the car in and out all the time and that is of course not great for getting used to the car but I also believe that the reason why they did that was the fact that they had a lot of testing for Bahrain as well, so they micro managed the car and made it as perfect as it could be probably.

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Quote from: tokeweed on March 14, 2022, 10:05:56 AM

looking to bet it on the season opener. I think it's one of the Ferraris who wins the race. LecLerc at 6, Sainz at 9. Hmmm.. I think Carlos Sainz gets it. What do you guys think?

If I had to put a bet on right now, then I'd go with a Ferrari, yes, or maybe Max depending on what the odds are.
But I'm not willing to bet at the moment, as I just don't think we'll have anything like a clear picture until after qualifying. This season is the start of a new era, and there are too many unknowns.
I'd go Ferrari if I had to, but that's largely guessing.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 13, 2022, 06:28:26 PM

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Daniel Ricciardo is positive to COVID.
If he can't recover Oscar Piastri will be probably his substitute for the race, borrowed from ALPINE.

He is an elite driver.

I think it's unlikely that Ricciardo won't recover until the new season, though it would be interesting to see Piastri. It's a bit shity situation to get Covid and miss tests with completely new car, but still, it's probably better than getting Covid during the season and miss race because of it.

Covid is mostly overrated although there are strains that really could knock you down more than the flu. I had a couple of friends and their families who had it. Symptoms were mostly mild but the couple of people who had it like a really bad flu and they couldn't get out of bed for a few days or so. But all in all nothing life threatening.

Anyway, just claimed my free bet at Sportsbet and looking to bet it on the season opener. I think it's one of the Ferraris who wins the race. LecLerc at 6, Sainz at 9. Hmmm.. I think Carlos Sainz gets it. What do you guys think?

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Maybe this Mandalika series will be the first time I see a Moto GP race done during the day, with a time difference of 2 hours in my province. Although I won't see it in person, I'm looking forward to this moment. Of course I will feel proud, maybe this is the first time I know MotoGP is done in my country, although if I read there was once a MotoGP event in Indonesia.
The chances of a race result are probably me to remain favourites for the bike with great power. The results of the trial conducted by Pol Espargaro became the fastest rider in quartararo. But maybe for the main series it will be very different because the speed of each lap does not necessarily determine the outcome of the race.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on March 13, 2022, 11:06:39 PM

At certain point, Max was like 30+ seconds ahead of everyone. What happened? Mercedes still won the constructors and lost the drivers with one call. So we should not overestimate things Hamilton says. It just means they are not at max capacity and it may take a while but they will get there.

I think last season, Mercedes started at a disadvantage because of how the new rules affected low- and high-rake cars differently. It took them some time to sort that out. But also some of the Red Bull advantage was due to their flexing wing, which IIRC was deemed illegal and they had to stop using it... so by the end of the season the Merc was on a par or even slightly better than them.

As for this season, Mercedes are a big unknown. It does look like they genuinely have some problems at the moment. But equally, if they can make their crazy new design work, they could end up with the best car... we just don't know. The only thing pre-season can really show is which cars have problems. Ferrari and Red Bull look fine, Merc a little less so.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 12, 2022, 07:30:24 PM

I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

I do not think that they are making a big deal. People are just taking his words out of context and making it sound like Mercedes is at the end of the grid right now. This is more about "there is more potential left in the car that we haven't tapped yet, it could get better" and that's it. Sure, they are not at 100% right now, and sure maybe Ferrari is better right now. But, that could also mean that Ferrari is using 100% and doing well whereas Mercedes haven't found their 100% yet, and in a few races they could find it. So the more they race, the better they will get for sure. Remember how Red Bull had like 5+ games winning streak against Mercedes.

At certain point, Max was like 30+ seconds ahead of everyone. What happened? Mercedes still won the constructors and lost the drivers with one call. So we should not overestimate things Hamilton says. It just means they are not at max capacity and it may take a while but they will get there.

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Carlos Checa also predicts that Yamaha will be strong in Mandalika... Fyi, before the track resurfacing Honda is strong in Mandalika. But, as Checa said, Mandalika's pre-season test results were "no longer valid" because they had been (partially) re-paved + the track was very dirty at the time. Then how about this weekend, will there be a difference Huh

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In this case I slightly agree and agree with what Checa said because in general Yamaha will be helped by the many corners at the Mandalika circuit and also the not too long straight on the Mandalika circuit so that the Ducati factory will find it a little difficult to bring out the potential of the bike. although they have a lot of power in the engine, but considering the straight track is not as long as in Qatar, then there is also truth in Checa's prediction that Ducati will have difficulties again in Mandalika.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 13, 2022, 05:51:32 PM

Daniel Ricciardo is positive to COVID.
If he can't recover Oscar Piastri will be probably his substitute for the race, borrowed from ALPINE.

He is an elite driver.

I think it's unlikely that Ricciardo won't recover until the new season, though it would be interesting to see Piastri. It's a bit shity situation to get Covid and miss tests with completely new car, but still, it's probably better than getting Covid during the season and miss race because of it.

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Daniel Ricciardo is positive to COVID.
If he can't recover Oscar Piastri will be probably his substitute for the race, borrowed from ALPINE.

He is an elite driver.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on March 12, 2022, 03:40:48 PM

OK, f1 tests are done, and don't look at timers.

From GPS data we should have this ranking at the start of the season.

1 Redbull
2 Mercedes
3 Ferrari

The gap should be under 0.3/10

So nothing should be compromised unless one team will use an unveiled secret next week.

You really think Mercedes will be faster than Ferrari? I know Mercedes are notorious for sand-bagging, but it did look to me like they were struggling a bit. The porpoising was affecting them more than most, and they definitely had some over-steer issues. I don't think that was all to mislead people, they do seem to have a few problems. If they come out in normal dominant form in the first race, I will be really surprised.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 12, 2022, 07:30:24 PM

I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

Everyone is expecting a great performance from Ferrari this year and so am I.
I do believe that they will do much better than in previous seasons, but in fact I have doubts if in just one season they will be able to achieve the same performance that a Mercedes car has.

Looking forward to the start of the season, I hope it will be as hot as the last one.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on March 12, 2022, 07:30:24 PM

I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

The last tests ended with Verstappen first at a big margin and showed he was much faster than the other previous tests that run during these last couple of days.It is a sure thing now that teams are hiding something as Verstappen was nowhere near these times during the first day of the tests.Although Ferrari should have been better compared to their previous years because they have started the development of this car since end of 2020.

As for Hamilton he said we can't compete for wins in the first week but I am told that we have a lot of pace to find during the F1 season.

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After the first race at Losail Qatar this month, I saw all the achievements of the MotoGP Rookies with no impression at all, because only Remy Gardner was able to get a point, and even then only one, while the other Rookies got nothing.
So for the race at Mandalika later maybe some of the rookies will try to get some points in order to become Rookie of the Year at the end of the season.

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Quote from: bounceback on March 12, 2022, 02:40:37 AM

If you look at the pre-season test at the Mandalikan circuit last month, it looks like the Honda team will have the upper hand at that circuit because Pol Espargaro managed to be the fastest rider twice out of three test sessions, so I think the race that will be held at the Mandilika circuit this time looks like the Honda team, Yamaha and Suzuki will dominate the track because as you said the Mandalika circuit doesn't have a straight track that is too long so the KTM riders and the Ducati Team will have a bit of trouble there.

The pre-season test time at the Mandalika circuit at that time was also not too far between fellow riders, especially Pol Espargaro with Fabio Quartararo who was in second place with a very thin time gap difference, it means that every Japanese manufacturer has almost the same potential in Mandalika and the value The plus is in the riders of each manufacturer, because of the ingenuity of each rider, I think, is still the difference on all circuits.

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