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Prediction time game for pole on Motorrad Grand Prix Deutschland still ongoing 6 days left for who the lucky guess the exact time. The best time at the moment still holding by Marquez with 1 minute 20,195 seconds. I know this session hard for Marquez, he still hasn't focus, crash every time. my favorite still Quartararo, maybe only a bit different time with Marquez.

In other news, there is an updated lineup moto racer on 2022. Look the same, no changes for team and bike. Only a bit racer didn't yet choose the team like Valentino Rossi.

Repsol Honda:
Marc Marquez (End of 2024)
Pol Espargaro (End of 2022)

Monster Yamaha:
Maverick Vinales (End of 2022)
Fabio Quartararo (End of 2022)

Lenovo Ducati:
Jack Miller (End of 2022)
Francesco Bagnaia (End of 2022)

Suzuki:
Alex Rins (End of 2022)
Joan Mir (End of 2022)

Aprilia:
Aleix Espargaro (End of 2022)
Lorenzo Savadori (End of 2021)

Red Bull KTM:
Miguel Oliveira (End of 2022)
Brad Binder (End of 2024)

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/980468/1/2022-motogp-world-championship-rider-lineup-so-far
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.driver-market-russell-wants-2022-plans-sorted-no-later-than-the-end-of-the.6vWcqZDPOtEXShBDzXjKXh.html

Russell wants 2022 plans to get sorted as soon as possible. And there are rumours like Mercedes could decide to bring Russell in the place of Bottas even before the end of the season. I'd really like to see Russell becoming a Mercedes driver very soon. So I hope that they make a decision in this direction.
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Norris wasn't really cause of that penalty point, he wasn't ever of the red flag and he was literally on the line, like just a second or so and he stayed out, not like dude was a mile away and still didn't pit, which is why it shouldn't have been a severe penalty point like this. Dude will be missing one race for sure without a doubt, you can't just race that many races without ever missing a game, and it is very very bad for someone like Norris to miss a race because he is fighting for the third spot, it is almost guaranteed to finish at top 5 if he keeps this season series going, and with one miss it is like he would be basically dropping from third place fight very easily, bottas and perez surely would have some points unless some freak situation like Baku happens, which is why I feel like it is going to matter a lot. Mazepin doesn't have that much penalty because he served his, he is just at 2.
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Norris with the penality taken last week during the GP at Baku is very close to being banned for 1 GP.

As you may know, drivers have points on their license, they will lose points for mistakes they do.

He has only 3 points left for 3 GP If I can remember correctly so with some kind of mistakes he can be banned.
I haven't looked for table of penalty points, but I think Mazepin is also close from getting ban. He got quite a lot penalty points just in few races.
BTW, who was last driver who got ban because penalty points. Now I can't remember.

I don't remember either.It must be because drivers know how many points they have left on their license and when they are near a ban they become more cautious.I think that we will not see a ban for Lando Norris,I am sure he will be very careful during the upcoming race unless he is in a position to fight for the podium or more and this may make him race more aggressively and being more prone to errors which will definitely lead him to a ban for a race.
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I read the good news, if the Austrian Moto GP is open to the general audience. This is definitely what the entire world audience has been waiting for. It looks like the atmosphere will be even more different, because since 2019 the moto GP has been postponed and runs without spectators.
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"Dorna Sports is delighted to confirm that both the Michelin Grand Prix of Styria and the Motorrad Grand Prix von sterreich will welcome fans back to the grandstands in 2021.
"Spectator restrictions are being lifted at sporting events in Austria this summer, and the gates of the Red Bull Ring will therefore be open to MotoGP fans who are either vaccinated, tested or recovered from Covid-19.

Sources: https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/980405/1/austria-motogp-rounds-open-full-spectator-capacity

@AakZaki this is indeed a welcome news for all F1 fans, but I hope that they’ll yet ask fans to adhere to social distancing norms because we don’t covid to spread because of fans being welcomed back. Furthermore do you believe that other race tracks will allow fans too, if these races become successful and there’s no covid issue from allowing fans to be back in the stands?.
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I read the good news, if the Austrian Moto GP is open to the general audience. This is definitely what the entire world audience has been waiting for. It looks like the atmosphere will be even more different, because since 2019 the moto GP has been postponed and runs without spectators.
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"Dorna Sports is delighted to confirm that both the Michelin Grand Prix of Styria and the Motorrad Grand Prix von sterreich will welcome fans back to the grandstands in 2021.
"Spectator restrictions are being lifted at sporting events in Austria this summer, and the gates of the Red Bull Ring will therefore be open to MotoGP fans who are either vaccinated, tested or recovered from Covid-19.

Sources: https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/980405/1/austria-motogp-rounds-open-full-spectator-capacity
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Norris with the penality taken last week during the GP at Baku is very close to being banned for 1 GP.

As you may know, drivers have points on their license, they will lose points for mistakes they do.

He has only 3 points left for 3 GP If I can remember correctly so with some kind of mistakes he can be banned.
I haven't looked for table of penalty points, but I think Mazepin is also close from getting ban. He got quite a lot penalty points just in few races.
BTW, who was last driver who got ban because penalty points. Now I can't remember.
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Norris with the penality taken last week during the GP at Baku is very close to being banned for 1 GP.

As you may know, drivers have points on their license, they will lose points for mistakes they do.

He has only 3 points left for 3 GP If I can remember correctly so with some kind of mistakes he can be banned.
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What the big rumors is Joan Mir intend to leave Suzuki, this isn't clear yet but I hear another team interesting to get him


Then if it's just a rumor Quartararo's points won't decrease.
Yes, I heard the news about this, it seems that Davide Brivio's departure makes him uncomfortable. Besides that I see this season Mir was not so good at the beginning of this season, maybe the development of suzuki was not as good as last year.
So if he left it might be the right choice to develop.
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The Azerbaijan GP was incredibly awesome. After the boring Monaco GP, this was really great.  Grin  It was very shocking to see Verstappen crashing because of a tyre issue. It was the same tyre with Stroll's crash so it was obviously a problem related to the tyres. I was really hoping Verstappen to win and open the gap in the driver standings.
After a standing start, Hamilton shockingly couldn't brake and turn. And he ended at the 15th place. This was a horrible race for him also.
But seeing different drivers on the podium was also great. Perez had a really decent race and deserved this victory. Finally, Vettel had a great race and ended as the 2nd. We saw a great competition between Gasly and Leclerc in the last laps for the podium and Gasly managed to end as the 3rd.
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I hope for next week's race Quartararo will have to do his best to keep his points away from Johan Zarco who is currently only 14 points away.

Ducati is still the toughest rival for Quartararo. Just look at positions 2-4 all are Ducati drivers.
The penalty made the difference point between Quartararo and Zarco a little. But regarding this penalty is it final as a punishment for Quartararo?  Huh
I read a lot of news if it is intentional then he could be disqualified in the Spanish series. So if this is true he could lose more points.
Look yes, Quartararo got final as a punishment for shortcut lap but not for custom incident. About disqualified, I think that is rumors only, the custom incident is accidental, looks like the problem with the custom zipper.
What the big rumors is Joan Mir intend to leave Suzuki, this isn't clear yet but I hear another team interesting to get him
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^  RBR has the faster car than Merc this season imho.  I don’t think Merc is just sand bagging when Toto Wolff says that they’re struggling to find good pace.  I think they really are struggling and it could take a couple of GP’s to find the right solution.  But all in all, deep inside of me I don’t want Schumacher’s record to be broken..  I kinda like it with Schumacher and Hamilton tied at 8 a piece.  Smiley
Yes Honda has a come a long way from their disastrous return at McLaren in 2015.RedBull aerodynamics have always been among the best if not the best compared to all other teams.Now the things are clicking and Redbull for me is the best team in mixed tracks but also they need to find a bit of more speed in fast paced tracks like Monza if they really want to fight for the driver's Championship.I think they will win constructors title because of Perez being a much better driver than Bottas which is far more helpful to the team.
Even a chance at constructors cup this year is the proof that how much better they are when talking about cars, sure Perez is a better driver than Bottas that is for sure but it is not about Bottas alone, Bottas was bottas every single season and they still won constructors, yet this year Red Bull is looking like they are doing so much better.

I personally believe that Red Bull got better this year just like how everyone else said but there is a small decline in Mercedes this year as well, think about how much problems they had in just the past 2 races, at monaco hamilton finished 7th and Bottas couldn't get out of the pit because of the nut, and this one they both finished but outside of top 10 because of car issues.

At the end of the day Mercedes was at the top because they rarely had these problems, this year they had it back to back and we still have plenty of races left, maybe they will recover and be amazing again, or maybe they will continue down like this and that would be shocking to whole racing world.
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^  RBR has the faster car than Merc this season imho.  I don’t think Merc is just sand bagging when Toto Wolff says that they’re struggling to find good pace.  I think they really are struggling and it could take a couple of GP’s to find the right solution.  But all in all, deep inside of me I don’t want Schumacher’s record to be broken..  I kinda like it with Schumacher and Hamilton tied at 8 a piece.  Smiley

Yes Honda has a come a long way from their disastrous return at McLaren in 2015.RedBull aerodynamics have always been among the best if not the best compared to all other teams.Now the things are clicking and Redbull for me is the best team in mixed tracks but also they need to find a bit of more speed in fast paced tracks like Monza if they really want to fight for the driver's Championship.I think they will win constructors title because of Perez being a much better driver than Bottas which is far more helpful to the team.

I couldn’t even remember that Honda came back with McLaren.  Lol.  I will look it up later.  It’s nice to get back on these guys’ history.  But yeah, RBR’s great aero all thanks to Adrian Newey.  I’m pretty surprised he’s still around after hinting of retirement around 5 or so years ago.
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I hope for next week's race Quartararo will have to do his best to keep his points away from Johan Zarco who is currently only 14 points away.

Ducati is still the toughest rival for Quartararo. Just look at positions 2-4 all are Ducati drivers.
The penalty made the difference point between Quartararo and Zarco a little. But regarding this penalty is it final as a punishment for Quartararo?  Huh
I read a lot of news if it is intentional then he could be disqualified in the Spanish series. So if this is true he could lose more points.
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^  RBR has the faster car than Merc this season imho.  I don’t think Merc is just sand bagging when Toto Wolff says that they’re struggling to find good pace.  I think they really are struggling and it could take a couple of GP’s to find the right solution.  But all in all, deep inside of me I don’t want Schumacher’s record to be broken..  I kinda like it with Schumacher and Hamilton tied at 8 a piece.  Smiley

Yes Honda has a come a long way from their disastrous return at McLaren in 2015.RedBull aerodynamics have always been among the best if not the best compared to all other teams.Now the things are clicking and Redbull for me is the best team in mixed tracks but also they need to find a bit of more speed in fast paced tracks like Monza if they really want to fight for the driver's Championship.I think they will win constructors title because of Perez being a much better driver than Bottas which is far more helpful to the team.
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MotoGP today on Catalunya Spain, Quartararo still on the best grid followed Miller and Zarco on 2nd and 3rd position. Quartararo is defending champion on Catalunya 2020 with 40' 33.176",  when I see how he got the winner week by week for this session, he could make it better than last year. No doubt, he will be the champion. 24 points different from Zarco.

Yes actually quartararo finished in 3rd position but unfortunately for violating the rules of motogp then he had to get 2 penalties, with a total additional time of 6 seconds then quartararo had to accept the finish in sixth position. I hope for next week's race Quartararo will have to do his best to keep his points away from Johan Zarco who is currently only 14 points away.
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I think Mercedes engineering team is very good, there is no problem with that, the car itself is a great car and that is awesome, and I believe Hamilton is a great driver as well which I do not even have to say, everyone knows how great he is, you can hate him and I do hate him as well but nobody can deny that dude is a great driver.

However at the end of the day there are people in the pit that can destroy chances or make chances, sometimes it is the pit crew that is super fast, sometimes super slow, sometimes it is strategist gaining you a lap, sometimes not. Basically what happens in that garage can make or break a situation and that is very important. I believe there is a good chance we can see Max win the year as well if Mercedes goes like this, but at the same time Red Bull is not doing amazing neither, they have their own problems time to time as well.
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Unfair? it's racing it always happened and it always will happen.
A stupid mistake by Hamilton after the restart and magnificent Vettel Today.

Sad for Ferrari they are still slow in race timings.  Kiss
Yes, unfair is probably the wrong word - of course it is fair. Unlucky is the word, I suppose, if Verstappen had lost a massive points swing just because of a tyre blowout... so Hamilton's incident cancels out Verstappen's bad luck.

Mercedes are saying it was unlucky for Hamilton, he accidentally flicked a switch that took out his braking ability. Difficult to know how much of this is true and how much is to cover the driver from taking a huge amount of blame. I'm a big fan of Hamilton, it's rare that he makes errors, but whatever the cause, this was a mistake that could have a big impact on the season - going from a potential 25 points to 0 is massive. If we expect Hamilton and Verstappen to be P1 and P2 in whatever order in most races, then this is equivalent to 4 race wins that he's lost by flicking that switch.
It is unfair in the sense that when a racer makes a mistake, or just races and becomes second that is understandable, after all we are talking about regular racing and for example Hamilton lost because of his own mistake, he wanted to be first so bad that while having such a big trouble and having smokes he still tried to gun down and get to that first place, and that is why he didn't finish in points that is understandable as "fair" but very sad for him.

However Max just had his tire blow up, that is not his problem, that is a "mechanical" issue if you will, it is not in the car like gearbox or anything its tire but it is still outside of his problem, it is not even about him putting too much on the tires or anything, it is literally just going on a straight at 32 rounds which pirelli said should go for as much as 36 to 40 laps, that is why Max was out of this race for nothing he did, and it would have been unfair because of that.
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^  RBR has the faster car than Merc this season imho.  I don’t think Merc is just sand bagging when Toto Wolff says that they’re struggling to find good pace.  I think they really are struggling and it could take a couple of GP’s to find the right solution.  But all in all, deep inside of me I don’t want Schumacher’s record to be broken..  I kinda like it with Schumacher and Hamilton tied at 8 a piece.  Smiley
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Mercedes again lost to Red Bull when changing tires, when Hamilton was able to pass not only Verstappen, but also Perez.

That's what I thought, too. That hold up where Hamilton had to wait for (I think Gasly?) to go past looked costly. But in retrospect, he only lost maybe 2 seconds there, and when he emerged from the pits he was maybe 4 seconds behind Verstappen. It was noticeable that as soon as Hamilton pitted, Verstappen and Perez started to improve their lap times considerably, which suggest that Hamilton was holding them up a little. Certainly Hamilton's inability to pass Perez after the stops suggested that Red Bull had the quicker car at this track.
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