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Quote from: AprilioMP on June 05, 2024, 09:26:18 PM

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Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

i've heard the news and it is very nice to see how marquez finally moved to the ducati team after his very good performance at gresini. this might be a turning point in marquez's career, because with only a 2023 motorbike, he was able to be in 3rd position, and i am very optimistic that he can be in 1st position using the latest motorbike from ducati. i am optimistic that he can get his world title in the next session.

but there are 4 marquez sponsors who will leave him because of conflicts with ducati sponsors, such as redbull, oakley, allianz, and samsung. although there has been no official statement from them, it is possible that marquez could lose 40 million euros per year if they withdraw from marquez. but whatever it is, marquez's party must have a solution for this and they already understand better.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on June 05, 2024, 09:26:18 PM

I just found out today when opening X to see the latest information in several fields that I interested in including MotoGP.

Breaking News, MM to Partner Pecco in Ducati Lenovo Tim in 2025. That's what I got in the MotoGP account.

Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

This is not seen from just one side, but from several sides, such as the podiums obtained by Marquez in several races this season as well as the marketing appeal that Marquez has which can also have an impact on sponsors who often follow Marquez himself. This caused Audi, VW and Ducati to become interested in recruiting Marquez rather than recruiting Jorge Martin, but Jorge Martin himself also did not suffer a loss because Martin had got an Aprilia factory seat next season even though Martin left disappointed with the Aprilia factory.

Apart from that, the highlight at the moment is Pedro Acosta, who will also be on the factory KTM team next season with his teammate Brad Binder. Because basically KTM really wants to keep their flagship rider to be able to develop so they have no intention of bringing Marquez into their team so that there is no excessive chaos within a team. And now what MotoGP fans are waiting for is the move of teams like Pramac and VR46 to other manufacturers because there have been rumors like that in recent days.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on June 05, 2024, 01:22:03 PM

I come late but, really Red Bull and Sergio Perez are extended their contract for two more years? What this mean?.

Firts of all, mean something? i dont know maybe is the first clue about Verstappen going out?, is Perez gonna be and willing to be the second driver for two more seasons, and when his performances are being poor?. I dont know i dont see a good trade for any, only a little for RB as a team.

Perez's contract, which was extended for 2 more seasons with the RB team, is not only about his performance, but also about the politics and economics of RB itself. As you know, RedBull is not only a team in F1, but also an energy drink brand that is very popular in Mexico. This made the RB team consider that Perez could stay longer on the team because they were worried that replacing Perez would also reduce sales of RedBull drinks in Mexico. And what's more, Perez doesn't really mind being the second driver at RB, since being a driver at the RB team already has quite a good reputation in F1, and his performance isn't bad either - it's just that in the last few races his performance hasn't been that good. However, RB's decision was good enough to keep Perez in the team.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 05, 2024, 12:43:29 PM

So not it is official.

Marques will be Bagnaia team mate from next season, and he will probably beat him. Imho.

I just found out today when opening X to see the latest information in several fields that I interested in including MotoGP.

Breaking News, MM to Partner Pecco in Ducati Lenovo Tim in 2025. That's what I got in the MotoGP account.

Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

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Quote from: Distraction on June 05, 2024, 05:43:28 AM

I also found it on a Facebook group first. But after you asked this I got also curious. Grin

After some research, here is the main source where it was calculated depending on what:

Thanks for sharing the source. Weirdly, Google search failed to detect this. Maybe because the resolution is different and the image was cropped. Looks like the numbers are manually calculated by the chart maker based on internet research if I read it correctly. At least we should be able to compare or verify it if the numbers look a bit odd.

Quote from: Volgastallion on June 05, 2024, 01:22:03 PM

I come late but, really Red Bull and Sergio Perez are extended their contract for two more years? What this mean?.

Well, according to this article, they decided to extend his contract because they believed he still could perform as a second driver and help them win the championship[1]. The writer speculates that the new contract will include a performance clause, which means they can end it sooner if he fails to perform again. I think that makes sense. While they wait and see for a better driver to come, they can use his service for a while.

[1] https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/analysis-why-red-bull-decided-to-stick-with-perez-and-what-it-means-for-the.4x5cr9vNNJaH49PEo4nQS7

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Ocon will definitely find a new team, but I think Haas is only a solution if he doesn't find anything else. Haas is just bad and I don't see how Haas can get out of it now or in the future?

I think the two experienced drivers Hülkenberg and Magnussen get everything they can out of the car in bad or difficult conditions.

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I come late but, really Red Bull and Sergio Perez are extended their contract for two more years? What this mean?.

Firts of all, mean something? i dont know maybe is the first clue about Verstappen going out?, is Perez gonna be and willing to be the second driver for two more seasons, and when his performances are being poor?. I dont know i dont see a good trade for any, only a little for RB as a team.

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So not it is official.

Marques will be Bagnaia team mate from next season, and he will probably beat him. Imho.

About F1, raid in expected in Canada and this is a sad new cause RBR was expecting having problmes in this layout.

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Here the schedule for the next race. I didn't realize that it's gonna be this weekend. Lol. I mean from Monaco to Canada? That's a long trip. Imagine bring all their stuff across from Europe to North America and setting them up as fast as possible...

2024 F1 Canadian GP Schedule
Track: Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

June 7: Practice 1 13:30 - 14:30
June 7: Practice 2 17:00 - 18:00
June 8: Practice 3 12:30 - 13:30
June 8: Qualifying 16:00 - 17:00
June 9: Race 14:00

Anyway, do you guys have any idea how bumpy the track in Montreal is? Red Bull might not be handling the ground effect as well as they used to me thinks... Leclerc to get the top spot in quali is at 7.00. Worth the risk?

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Quote from: joniboini on June 04, 2024, 09:35:45 PM

Can you share where you got this image? I'm curious how they calculate it. A reverse search only shows that this is posted on Facebook group, which I can't see since I don't have a Facebook account.

I also found it on a Facebook group first. But after you asked this I got also curious. Grin

After some research, here is the main source where it was calculated depending on what:

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1d2jyj5/world_destructors_championship_after_monaco/#lightbox

I really liked the analysis though. It is very detailed containing how many of specific parts have been damaged, how much those ones have cost the team and a graphical comparison among drivers - constructors on each race weekend.

Anyway, there are only 2 days left for Canadian Grand Prix weekend to start. I believe we are going to watch a way more exciting race than Monaco - I hope so at least. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: retreat on June 04, 2024, 04:18:08 AM

because Ocon and Bearman don't have bad relationship and Ocon might be a good senior for Bearman to be able to pursue a career in F1. And hopefully that's the case, because after all Ocon is still a pretty good racer, but it's just that sometimes he can't control his emotions and is too selfish.

Is there any prior history between them that suggests they are cool with each other? As far as my search goes, I only found they compete once in one of the races[1]. I'm not sure if Ocon will change even if he changed teammates to be honest, it's pretty difficult to change your personality unless there's a big trigger. Maybe his new teams would assume he will stay the same and just fine a suitable teammate for him instead.

[1] https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-oliver-bearman-s-smart-response-to-esteban-ocons-extreme-racing-tactics-gets-appreciated-by-ex-f1-racer/

Quote from: Distraction on June 04, 2024, 06:33:03 AM

By the way the image below is said to be showing the total damage costs drivers have caused to their teams after leaving 8 races behind. Perez's accident in Monaco must have made a big impact on his taking the lead.

Can you share where you got this image? I'm curious how they calculate it. A reverse search only shows that this is posted on Facebook group, which I can't see since I don't have a Facebook account.

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Quote from: Distraction on June 04, 2024, 06:33:03 AM

By the way the image below is said to be showing the total damage costs drivers have caused to their teams after leaving 8 races behind. Perez's accident in Monaco must have made a big impact on his taking the lead.

Lol, that 5k for tsunoda is something I would wonder. Like these are million dollar worth of cars, what could he have done that would have cost only 5k to fix? I do not think that even the smallest front wing flap damage would be more than that, I do not understand what happens with these cars and how much it costs, and zero damage makes sense if you didn't hit anywhere like Hamilton, but 5k makes no sense, nothing is that cheap, must be something very very funny.

Perez was always a little carless driver, look at last year and how many DNF and damages he had, he races in a way that he puts himself against other drivers, to make sure that he doesn't leave a spot, his defense is great but also it's very costly as well like we can see here.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 03, 2024, 02:29:09 PM

It was announced today that Esteban Ocon will leave Alpine at the end of season.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/breaking-alpine-announce-they-will-part-ways-with-ocon-at-end-of-2024-season.7ra4uaXdrYOHfklwU9TEqH
Probably nobody isn't surprised about it. He isn't bad driver as he had one win and few podiums, but how he collided with probably every teammate he had is just incredible. I'm sceptical about his chances to get seat in other team for the next season.

I'm not surprised, yeah. Grin

In fact firstly they were thinking about benching him on the Canadian Grand Prix weekend. But things have really come to this point then. Ocon is normally a really ambitious driver as I said before. But he doesn't know when to be patient and when to be more aggressive. He is just causing his team a serious level of damage in this way. Sad

He is quite arrogant at the same time. Do you remember his verbal challenge with Alonso? This guy thought he was better than Alonso. Grin

By the way the image below is said to be showing the total damage costs drivers have caused to their teams after leaving 8 races behind. Perez's accident in Monaco must have made a big impact on his taking the lead.

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Quote from: joniboini on June 03, 2024, 10:20:39 PM

I feel like other articles describe his situation in a better light even if he clashes with teammates quite often. Not sure if the news is credible since I've yet to research the reporter, but it seems like Haas and Sauber/Audi are keen to hire Ocon next season[1]. It is from the same writer though.
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It seems that HAAS is a team that has a big chance of recruiting Ocon into their team, and if this is realized then Ocon will be paired with Bearman in the 2025 season. Maybe this will be a pretty good match for HAAS, because Ocon and Bearman don't have bad relationship and Ocon might be a good senior for Bearman to be able to pursue a career in F1. And hopefully that's the case, because after all Ocon is still a pretty good racer, but it's just that sometimes he can't control his emotions and is too selfish. Hopefully he can improve his character.

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About the discussion Martin and Marquez, the decision has been made.

Now that Martin has officially signed with the Aprilia factory team, Marc Marquez will probably join the Ducati factory team.

In any case, two strong rider pairings at Ducati (Bagnaia/Marquez) and Aprilia (Martin/Vinales).

It was a bit surprising, but I assume that Marc will join the factory team.

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Quote from: retreat on June 03, 2024, 03:23:04 AM

Quote from: Distraction on June 01, 2024, 10:57:49 AM

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Alpines were in a good place to push for points in the end after a horrible start to the season. Ocon should have acted more professionally there. I know he is ambitious but he should act smarter than that.

This man has not learned from his experiences since being with Alonso, he is not a good teammate, he only cares about his ego and only thinks that he is the one who should stand out the most in the team. I understand that he is the main driver in the team, but there are times when you have to let your teammates to the fore, especially when it is an aggressive move on a circuit as narrow as Monaco. From this incident, Alpine should take a firm stance that Ocon must think more openly and act more maturely towards his teammates, because if not, this incident could happen again and it will be detrimental to them since both drivers will DNF in the racing session.

I feel like Alpine is very well aware what type of person Ocon is, and they kept going with him, so they are ok with him being how he is. I know that may not sound smart, because it ruins his situation with his team mate, I mean remember them last year at Australia? They both dnf'd because they crashed into each other.

They realize that they are not going to get many points anyway and they are one of the worst teams, so they realize that the best way to get any points would be being ruthless, yes it is terrible when its teammates crashing to each other, but it is also very good because if Ocon is racing against another team, they know that Ocon won't give an inch of room and most will be fearing to pass him on corners and only look for drs straights.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on June 03, 2024, 02:29:09 PM

He isn't bad driver as he had one win and few podiums, but how he collided with probably every teammate he had is just incredible. I'm sceptical about his chances to get seat in other team for the next season.

I feel like other articles describe his situation in a better light even if he clashes with teammates quite often. Not sure if the news is credible since I've yet to research the reporter, but it seems like Haas and Sauber/Audi are keen to hire Ocon next season[1]. It is from the same writer though.

On the other hand, Jack Doohan will likely replace Ocon's position next year. Curious to see how he performs if he is indeed chosen to debut next year. Some articles suggest he's quite the favorite in the squad.

[1] https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/analysis-what-next-for-esteban-ocon-and-alpine-after-his-exit.6XDQqcs4ehZSvxWnH6mtca

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It was announced today that Esteban Ocon will leave Alpine at the end of season.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/breaking-alpine-announce-they-will-part-ways-with-ocon-at-end-of-2024-season.7ra4uaXdrYOHfklwU9TEqH
Probably nobody isn't surprised about it. He isn't bad driver as he had one win and few podiums, but how he collided with probably every teammate he had is just incredible. I'm sceptical about his chances to get seat in other team for the next season.

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There are still a lot of free places in the teams for next year, if Bastianini doesn't improve a lot I personally assume that Martin will get the place in the factory Ducati team. I can see Marc Marquez joining the Pramac-Ducati team with an up-to-date bike with the latest specification.

But Ducati will certainly wait and see with the contracts.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 02, 2024, 02:29:41 PM

1   Jorge Martin   171
2   Francesco Bagnaia 153
3   Marc Marquez 136
4   Enea Bastianini 114

The wold champion will be one of these 3.

Do not underestimate Marquez, He will be in top2 by the end of the season.

Side news, Pedro Acosta extended his contract with KTM

Marquez is not worthy to be underestimated unless he is still at Honda like last season, and if your prediction is that Marquez can be in second place at the end of this season, I will put Francesco Bagnaia as first at the end of this season and that is my personal prediction without looking at the accidents that could still happen to any rider this season.

And for Pedro Acosta, I have also read the news that the rookie will be on the factory KTM team next season which will make the seat on the Gasgas team empty because there is no rider to fill that seat. I think Pedro Acosta really deserves to be on the KTM factory team because he is a seed that has been looked after by KTM for a long time since he was in the Moto3, Moto2 and now MotoGP classes. So it is very natural that one of the KTM factory seats was handed over to Pedro Acosta with proof of the talent that has been visible so far.

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