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Quote from: Velvet78 on June 02, 2024, 12:37:39 PM

I have missed F1 already despite having one of the boring races so far the last time.

We are close to entering another race week though which is in Canada.

This is a track on which Verstappen has been quite dominant in the recent two years. Not only winning but also taking pole position in both years. I assume I had better be ready to see another domination by him. Especially after having a problematic weekend in Monaco I expect him to return really ambitiously. As long as he doesn't have any problem with the car I see no reason for him not to win the race. But I hope we see some good competition in qualifying and race. Grin

It will not be that easy this time.The track is a good one,a fast one with very few turns and it is most likely a track kinda like Monza,a bit slower maybe but also here it is driven with 70% full throttle for a lap so it can be difficult for Verstappen as McLaren clearly has improved the most out of all cars in the top speed and as I said this track is one of such tracks where top speed is paramount,DRS will be making a good improvement to the race as it can be turned on just after they finish the first lap,much differently than last years where we needed to wait two laps,I am sure it is going to be a good race,the only variable not changing for me is Perez being the most mediocre driver of the full lineup,running with Redbull and screwing it up race after race.

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I have missed F1 already despite having one of the boring races so far the last time.

We are close to entering another race week though which is in Canada.

This is a track on which Verstappen has been quite dominant in the recent two years. Not only winning but also taking pole position in both years. I assume I had better be ready to see another domination by him. Especially after having a problematic weekend in Monaco I expect him to return really ambitiously. As long as he doesn't have any problem with the car I see no reason for him not to win the race. But I hope we see some good competition in qualifying and race. Grin

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 02, 2024, 09:55:20 AM

despite the three penalty positions Bagnaia dominated the Italian weekend in the Mugello grand prix
Bastianini also achieved a strong performance at the end of the race, securing second place and a double for the red Ducati.
The classification is now shorter in the top positions even if Martin continues to have a decent margin of points ahead
If Honda doesn't start making big investments in Moto GP again, they should withdraw, they're just making a bad impression and probably losing a lot of money.

Today's race was a bit boriing race for me, not many overtaking between riders especially in the leading group.
Pecco was untouchable since the 1st lap, Martin was unable to give a significant pressure to Pecco and unluckily Martin had to finish on 3rd after Enea overtook his position in the last sector of the last lap.
Enea did a great job today, although he dropped to 4th after Marc overtook him for few laps but he could take it back and did another great action by overtaking Martin.
Anyway the competition become more interesting now since the point gap in the standing is now getting closer between top riders.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on June 02, 2024, 08:40:44 AM

Even though Francesco Bagnaia had to start in fifth position because of the penalty he received but Bagnaia got off to a good start and he flashed forwards. He was able to maintain that first position until the final lap. Meanwhile, Jorge Martin, who got the start in first position, had to settle for second place when the race started. In that race, Jorge Martin seemed ready to challenge Bagnaia and he did that until the last 2 laps but for an unknown reason (I guess the cause is a tire wear problem), Jorge Martin seemed to be starting to slow down and he could even be overtaken by Enea Bastianini.

Tire wear is often a major factor for any rider after racing for more than 20 laps and this is really felt by all riders including Jorge Martin and Marquez. However, Bastianini was lucky on the final lap of the race at the last corner because Jorge Martin went slightly wide, opening a gap for Bastianini to enter and take second place. And this has also resulted in the Ducati factory getting a double podium in this race, accompanied by back to back wins from Bagnaia.

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despite the three penalty positions Bagnaia dominated the Italian weekend in the Mugello grand prix
Bastianini also achieved a strong performance at the end of the race, securing second place and a double for the red Ducati.
The classification is now shorter in the top positions even if Martin continues to have a decent margin of points ahead
If Honda doesn't start making big investments in Moto GP again, they should withdraw, they're just making a bad impression and probably losing a lot of money.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on June 01, 2024, 12:59:44 PM

According to some papers next week will be the week of Adrian Newey.

Accordon to the rumors he will announce what he will do next year and the same rumors spoken about a big offer from Mercedes including shares of the company.

It should be Ferrari, Mercedes or Mclearen.

These days are quite active when it comes to Adrian Newey's future.

They actually say Williams has been the most seriously interested team in him. But now I don't even hear about their name. Probably it was some kind of a rumour or they gave up after thinking over how much he might cost to the team. Tongue

But for the awakening of Williams wouldn't it be nice to see him there?

It looks like Mercedes is trying to intervene with an interesting offer - like team shares. Especially for 2026 changes, they are doing their best to be the team at the top seemingly. McLaren? I haven't heard about their interest, hmm... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 01, 2024, 08:23:56 AM

Bagnaia has won the sprint race superior and safe, for Martin very bitter, it is only 12 points but Bagnaia has made up 12 points by the not really necessary crash, as well as Marc has made up 9 points.

Now it's full concentration for tomorrow, if Bagnaia wins the start, it could turn out similar to today and Bagnaia pulls away like today.

Today's results are certainly extraordinary for Bagnaia because he could not be overtaken by other riders after starting the Sprint from second place. However, for tomorrow Bagnaia will have to fight harder because he will serve a penalty by dropping three grids from his proper position, but I think he can definitely win again tomorrow if he doesn't make any mistakes in the race.

Quote from: budi691 on June 01, 2024, 09:28:24 AM

To catch up on the difference in points with Martin, and race in front of his supporters, I am sure that tomorrow Bagnaia will be champion again, but keep in mind that Martin and M Marquez will provide fierce competition, maybe all three. The racers are Bagnaia, Martin and M Marquez who will climb the podium but Bagnaia remains number 1

With more laps for tomorrow, of course each rider must be able to adapt themselves to the tires they will use, because if they make a mistake in maintaining tire wear it could also be quite fatal for all three. I am also quite sure that these three riders will compete fiercely because I remember that Martin still wants to widen the points gap with Bagnaia and Marquez.

Even though Francesco Bagnaia had to start in fifth position because of the penalty he received but Bagnaia got off to a good start and he flashed forwards. He was able to maintain that first position until the final lap. Meanwhile, Jorge Martin, who got the start in first position, had to settle for second place when the race started. In that race, Jorge Martin seemed ready to challenge Bagnaia and he did that until the last 2 laps but for an unknown reason (I guess the cause is a tire wear problem), Jorge Martin seemed to be starting to slow down and he could even be overtaken by Enea Bastianini.

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Even though he had to drop three places on the grid today, Pecco Bagnaia also succeeded in winning today's race in Italy followed by his teammate in second place, so this is truly extraordinary and very valuable momentum for the Ducati factory because both His flagship rider managed to step on podiums 1 and 2 today. And the thing that hurts a little is that Marquez, who was predicted to win, didn't even get a podium in this race because he only managed to finish fourth after fighting with Pedro Acosta and Enea Bastianini in the race.

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According to some papers next week will be the week of Adrian Newey.

Accordon to the rumors he will announce what he will do next year and the same rumors spoken about a big offer from Mercedes including shares of the company.

It should be Ferrari, Mercedes or Mclearen.

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Ocon also got a lot of negativity on himself after the accident he caused during Monaco Grand Prix. He says that they aren't robots and he is sad after seeing the comments related to him.

But why would you try to attack your teammate in a place like this? Huh

There was no need to force this overtake on such a tight track especially against his teammate.

Alpines were in a good place to push for points in the end after a horrible start to the season. Ocon should have acted more professionally there. I know he is ambitious but he should act smarter than that.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 01, 2024, 08:23:56 AM

Bagnaia has won the sprint race superior and safe, for Martin very bitter, it is only 12 points but Bagnaia has made up 12 points by the not really necessary crash, as well as Marc has made up 9 points.

Now it's full concentration for tomorrow, if Bagnaia wins the start, it could turn out similar to today and Bagnaia pulls away like today.

Today's results are certainly extraordinary for Bagnaia because he could not be overtaken by other riders after starting the Sprint from second place. However, for tomorrow Bagnaia will have to fight harder because he will serve a penalty by dropping three grids from his proper position, but I think he can definitely win again tomorrow if he doesn't make any mistakes in the race.

Quote from: budi691 on June 01, 2024, 09:28:24 AM

To catch up on the difference in points with Martin, and race in front of his supporters, I am sure that tomorrow Bagnaia will be champion again, but keep in mind that Martin and M Marquez will provide fierce competition, maybe all three. The racers are Bagnaia, Martin and M Marquez who will climb the podium but Bagnaia remains number 1

With more laps for tomorrow, of course each rider must be able to adapt themselves to the tires they will use, because if they make a mistake in maintaining tire wear it could also be quite fatal for all three. I am also quite sure that these three riders will compete fiercely because I remember that Martin still wants to widen the points gap with Bagnaia and Marquez.

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2024 Italian MotoGP, Mugello - Sprint Race Results
Pos   Rider   Nat   Team   Time/Diff
1   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP24)   19m 30.251s
2   Marc Marquez   SPA   Gresini Ducati (GP23)   +1.469s
3   Pedro Acosta   SPA   Red Bull GASGAS Tech3 (RC16)*   +4.147s
4   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP24)   +5.421s
5   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP24)   +7.693s
6   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +8.271s
7   Fabio Di Giannantonio   ITA   VR46 Ducati (GP23)   +8.571s
8   Alex Marquez   SPA   Gresini Ducati (GP23)   +8.846s
9   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP24)   +8.984s
10   Raul Fernandez   SPA   Trackhouse Aprilia (RS-GP23)   +10.085s

Martin DNF!

Easy win for Bagnaia, he is the king of this weekend.

Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1049883/1/2024-italian-motogp-mugello-sprint-race-results

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I have to say Kylian M'Bappe did a very good job when waving the chequered flag at the end of the Monaco Grand Prix. I believe it is quite difficult to do it the correct way when everyone is looking at you. There have been many people that did it incorrect.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on June 01, 2024, 08:23:56 AM

Bagnaia has won the sprint race superior and safe, for Martin very bitter, it is only 12 points but Bagnaia has made up 12 points by the not really necessary crash, as well as Marc has made up 9 points.

Now it's full concentration for tomorrow, if Bagnaia wins the start, it could turn out similar to today and Bagnaia pulls away like today.

To catch up on the difference in points with Martin, and race in front of his supporters, I am sure that tomorrow Bagnaia will be champion again, but keep in mind that Martin and M Marquez will provide fierce competition, maybe all three. The racers are Bagnaia, Martin and M Marquez who will climb the podium but Bagnaia remains number 1

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Bagnaia has won the sprint race superior and safe, for Martin very bitter, it is only 12 points but Bagnaia has made up 12 points by the not really necessary crash, as well as Marc has made up 9 points.

Now it's full concentration for tomorrow, if Bagnaia wins the start, it could turn out similar to today and Bagnaia pulls away like today.

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Mugello an absolute classic track and one of the most technical regarding the MotoGP calendar.Since there is no F1 tomorrow the best next thing is exactly MotoGP and seeing how the gap has closed between many drivers in these last couple of races it means that it should be an interesting race tomorrow with the straight being a great point of overtaking yet I remember the times of Valentino Rossi and alike when they used to even overtake in the narrow back to back turns that are very beautiful in the beginning of the track of course if the track has not changed,as I remember it being a very nice one.

I am interested to see what Marquez can actually do more than anything else.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 31, 2024, 05:25:27 PM

Francesco Bagnana got a penalty of 3 position in the starting grid for obstructing Alez Marquez during the free practice of Friday.
I don't think it is a big deal, this is not formula 1 and in MOTOgp you can easily overtake especially in this track.

However side news, rain is expected for Sunday.

If Bagnaia qualifies well, the three places are not a big obstacle in the MotoGP, as you already wrote, the Ducati is very fast on the long straight in Mugello and overtaking from the slipstream is absolutely possible, except in front of you there are only Ducatis 🤣.

Just checked the probability of rain tomorrow is about 50%, could possibly be a flag-to-flag race.

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Francesco Bagnana got a penalty of 3 position in the starting grid for obstructing Alez Marquez during the free practice of Friday.
I don't think it is a big deal, this is not formula 1 and in MOTOgp you can easily overtake especially in this track.

However side news, rain is expected for Sunday.

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The last Monaco GP in Formula 1 showed us that this circuit should disappear from the calendar and be remembered as a nostalgia. We saw very few passes in the many laps of this race, the new cars and the Monaco GP are not compatible. Leclerc finished the whole race protecting his tires and won at home. It was the first time a Monaco driver finished the race in front. The race was very boring but hopefully Ferrari's points will bring some excitement to F1. Perez's accident showed us once again that the drivers are safe in those cars.

Finally, Leclerc finally broke his jinx and won a race after a long time, running a flawless race at home. He didn't make any mistakes, kept his hard tires at a great pace the whole race and saw the checkered flag without a pit stop. There's a big improvement at Ferrari.

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Bagnaia is currently dominating practice at Mugello, we'll have to wait and see if he can do the same in the races.

He should have a very good weekend to keep up the pressure against Martin. I wouldn't put it past him after his last win.

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