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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 31, 2024, 11:12:08 AM

Bagnaia dominated today's two test sessions at his home circuit at Mugello.

His Ducati seems to come from another world for this track.
At least a top 3 can be expected for the driver in the race.

Marc Marquez continues to be faster than at least a 2024 DUCATI with his 2023 bike, I assume he is Bagnaia's destined partner for next year.

Well if he continues to be faster with a 2023 bike since his first year at Ducati then most likely for next season if he indeed goes to the officila Ducati team I doubt Bagnaia will have good chances to beat him as a team mate although anything can happen.In the last couple of races that I saw it was Marquez recovery that has made these races somewhat interesting otherwise they have been quite monotone races without much action,kinda like watching a F1 race nowadays.

I am wondering how come the Japanese manufacturers are not fighting back to their glorious days when they used to dominate and they are letting Ducati have all the fun.The sooner they wake up the better for the motorsport.

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Bagnaia dominated today's two test sessions at his home circuit at Mugello.

His Ducati seems to come from another world for this track.
At least a top 3 can be expected for the driver in the race.

Marc Marquez continues to be faster than at least a 2024 DUCATI with his 2023 bike, I assume he is Bagnaia's destined partner for next year.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 30, 2024, 12:22:09 PM

so not it is official.
RBR with their boss asked several time to Sebastia Vettel to be the second driver for the next year in Redbull over Checo Perez.

What do you think?
He was already in team with Verstappen if I'm not mistaken.

Wdym? Vettel? No... It was him and Ricciardo. And when the dynamic between them started becoming iffy, with the team favoring Ricciardo more, Vettel left. But left for a good team with a better offer money wise. Ricciardo on the other hand was partnered with Verstappen. And what Ricciardo did to to Vettel, Verstappen did to him. Grin

So Ricciardo left but not for a better team and not with a better contract. Cheesy

It was down hill for him since then.

But I'd by sooo happy if Vettel really comes back, not matter what team it is. Would like to see him with Toto Wolff at Merc tbh.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 30, 2024, 03:24:29 PM

But keep in mind that Max do not want a contender his comfort zone look like to be with a week teammate.
He never had, or wanted a strong team mate.

The ones he had when they weren't good went sacked by RBR.

This is why Red Bull is prioritizing a 1-year contract extension with Perez lately

: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/perez-closing-on-red-bull-f1-contract-extension/10616482/

Fans must be going crazy with this decision though. Tongue

Because those people want to see Red Bull as strong as possible. But obviously continuing with Perez isn't the wisest action to take. I'm not blaming the accident in Monaco on him though. Don't get me wrong. I'm speaking about his general performance. He starts a season well but then the downfall starts again...

If Red Bull wanted a competitive driver by overlooking Verstappen's expectation I guess the first candidate would be Sainz.

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After watching FP1 for the Italian MotoGP at Mugello today I saw that the Aprilia ridden by Vinales was in first place and was followed by the Japanese factory motorbike, namely the Yamaha, ridden by Quartararo. Meanwhile, Morbidelli was in third place and it was a little strange to see a Yamaha in second place because Japanese motorbikes had not dominated the front row for a long time in the last two years. But it would be very interesting if Yamaha could return to being competitive this season again against other spectacular motorbikes such as Ducati, KTM and Aprilia.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 30, 2024, 02:29:43 PM

Nope, they weren't teammates. Back then there was Ricciardo, Gasly and Albon.
I'm very sceptical about Vettel's return. He wasn't racing for few years and when he was still at Aston Martin, he already was beyond his prime. Doubt that he would perform better than Perez or potentially Ricciardo.

Agree with this, Vettel is past his prime and I think that he will likely have difficulty adapting to the current F1 environment, which is filled with young people who have a pretty good mentality. It would be much better for Vettel to be able to follow in Rosberg's footsteps, who prefers to develop the business and support young racing talents to be able to compete in various racing events, compared to having to return to F1 and compete with these young people. Vettel should enjoy his retirement better and no longer need to enter F1 racing because his time is over.

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Quote from: panjul07 on May 30, 2024, 10:15:09 AM

I hope Marc Marquez will be able to perform better especially for the qualification so he can have better start position.
With the result of the 2 previous races where Marc start from 13 and 14 but he managed to take one of the podium so I think the race will be much more interesting if Marc start the race from the front row.
Something that may not be able to done by other riders IMO, so it was really amazing performance from Marc.
Ducati riders will dominate the race again at Mugello but I want to see Acosta to be breaker for the Ducati domination.

Acosta still needs to try several things to be able to continue to disrupt the front row even though he is a rookie in MotoGP this season and for the Mugello race as seen in recent years, Ducati still has better dominance and the Italian riders will also try to be the best as Bagnaia has shown in the last few seasons. I also hope that the Mugello race this time can be quite fierce because remember there are several strong riders at the moment, but Mugello is the home of Ducati and also other Italian riders and Aprilia will also try to get a better position in the Mugello race this weekend.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 30, 2024, 02:29:43 PM

Nope, they weren't teammates. Back then there was Ricciardo, Gasly and Albon.
I'm very sceptical about Vettel's return. He wasn't racing for few years and when he was still at Aston Martin, he already was beyond his prime. Doubt that he would perform better than Perez or potentially Ricciardo.

You're right!

Seb was already in Ferrari at the time.
But keep in mind that Max do not want a contender his comfort zone look like to be with a week teammate.
He never had, or wanted a strong team mate.

The ones he had when they weren't good went sacked by RBR.

Seb could be a good candidate, not in his prime anymore so probably slower, very peaceful guy.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 30, 2024, 12:22:09 PM

so not it is official.
RBR with their boss asked several time to Sebastia Vettel to be the second driver for the next year in Redbull over Checo Perez.

What do you think?
He was already in team with Verstappen if I'm not mistaken.

Nope, they weren't teammates. Back then there was Ricciardo, Gasly and Albon.
I'm very sceptical about Vettel's return. He wasn't racing for few years and when he was still at Aston Martin, he already was beyond his prime. Doubt that he would perform better than Perez or potentially Ricciardo.

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so not it is official.
RBR with their boss asked several time to Sebastia Vettel to be the second driver for the next year in Redbull over Checo Perez.

What do you think?
He was already in team with Verstappen if I'm not mistaken.

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Tomorrow FP1 for the seventh MotoGP series this season will start again where Ducati will compete at its home, namely Mugello. I think this week the race will be much more exciting than what happened in Barcelona last week because remember there is a very long straight track at Mugello. And the host riders from Italy will definitely take advantage of this race to get on the podium, especially for riders using Ducati motorbikes.

I hope Marc Marquez will be able to perform better especially for the qualification so he can have better start position.
With the result of the 2 previous races where Marc start from 13 and 14 but he managed to take one of the podium so I think the race will be much more interesting if Marc start the race from the front row.
Something that may not be able to done by other riders IMO, so it was really amazing performance from Marc.
Ducati riders will dominate the race again at Mugello but I want to see Acosta to be breaker for the Ducati domination.

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Russell talks confident about Mercedes' chance in 2026.

Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/russell-shares-why-mercedes-are-feeling-very-confident-for-2026-power-unit.3pWLrm0iudY1cyGAWxaUj2

He is also saying the same thing that has been speculated lately. Mercedes looks quite ahead already when it comes to power unit. But a car isn't all about power unit of course. There is aerodynamics and many more factors to keep the car steady and really fast. If Mercedes manages to build a strong car as a whole then 2026 might be the time for a return. Wink

Kimi Antonelli speculations are getting louder by the way. He might really fill Hamilton's seat next season. What would you expect from him in his 1st season in that case?

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Ferrari really looks a lot better, and Mclaren is also looking like a great car as well. Red Bull is losing power somewhere, and they are not looking like the Red Bull we have seen last year, none of the upgrades they had looks like it would be that great, we should probably expect them to get worse as well.

Max is great, and everyone assumes he will always win at all times, but remember, when he was given a worse car, to Hamiltons amazing car, Max lost for many years before he started winning because he got a better car. While I do agree that Max is the best driver on the track, and by far, it doesn't mean that you can just give him a Haas or Williams car and expect him to win, so Red Bull needs to make the car a lot better.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on May 29, 2024, 05:17:23 PM

a sensational comeback could take place in Formula 1.

in the last few hours a rumor has started to circulate according to which Briatore could return after many years, to Alpine (formerly Renault).

When asked the question, the French team did not deny the rumor but they replied that they are looking for someone with experience and a winner, what do you think?

What do I think? Dunno... The race fixing shenanigans he was involved in could come haunting him every now and then. But on the other hand, I would love to see a team principal who's had some success in the past return and somehow and against all odds carry his team to the top. I mean wouldn't want to see something like that in F1, esp now that has gotten a lot more boring.

And Wikipedia says he already is with Alpine. Hmmm... We prolly will hear an announcement in a couple of months.

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Tomorrow FP1 for the seventh MotoGP series this season will start again where Ducati will compete at its home, namely Mugello. I think this week the race will be much more exciting than what happened in Barcelona last week because remember there is a very long straight track at Mugello. And the host riders from Italy will definitely take advantage of this race to get on the podium, especially for riders using Ducati motorbikes.

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a sensational comeback could take place in Formula 1.

in the last few hours a rumor has started to circulate according to which Briatore could return after many years, to Alpine (formerly Renault).

When asked the question, the French team did not deny the rumor but they replied that they are looking for someone with experience and a winner, what do you think?

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That would be stupid from Ferrari if they don't want the mastermind which has made possible for a couple of teams to dominate in different eras of F1,he won with McLaren,then before with Redbull and again in our times with Redbull again.I think though that in the last couple of races Verstappen despite winning in Imola has clearly lost the domination of the previous seasons and most likely the deterioration will continue further,especially now that we move to Canada a super fast track clearly favoring in this time McLaren I would say,Sergio Perez is a clear demonstration of Redbull deterioration which for me is evident.

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Quote from: Distraction on May 29, 2024, 08:01:04 AM

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Do you think Leclerc can bring a big rivalry to Verstappen this season? Huh

To me, it still looks really difficult. It feels like Verstappen will pull away from everyone at one point. But for now it is a great joy to see this competition between.

I'm quite optimistic that Charles can give tough competition this season to Max, even though more people are more positive about Max, but I still have hope that Charles can give very good competition this season and don't rule out the possibility that he can get the title Championship this year, nothing is impossible. He just needs a good strategy and a few upgrades on his car, that will bring him to his best performance.

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Additionally, I have read some news like Ferrari doesn't want Adrian Newey anymore. Are they out of their mind? Sad

It's just a rumor, we don't know for sure whether the rumor is like the reality on the ground or not. But what is certain is that Newey will choose the best team for him to work with. Whether it's Ferrari, Williams, Mercedes and McLaren, these teams have a big chance of becoming Newey's new home.

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It looks like we are likely to have a more exciting race in Canada after leaving the boring ones in Imola and Monaco behind. Tongue

But I must admit I'm very happy to see Leclerc winning a home Grand Prix for the first time in his career - and winning a race after 2 years. Grin

The current driver standings look quite interesting though. Verstappen - 169 points, Leclerc 138 points.

Do you think Leclerc can bring a big rivalry to Verstappen this season? Huh

To me, it still looks really difficult. It feels like Verstappen will pull away from everyone at one point. But for now it is a great joy to see this competition between.

Additionally, I have read some news like Ferrari doesn't want Adrian Newey anymore. Are they out of their mind? Sad

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Btw, it seems like India's MotoGP race will be canceled this year, moving it to the next season if the organizer is to be trusted[1]. They cited weather conditions as the reason why the race needed to be moved, as it is too challenging for riders and marshalls to do their jobs. Some argue the key reason is likely financial reason. Whatever the reason is, it will reduce the number of races this season if this is true. I wonder if this will make the season more interesting since riders need to be strict with points to ensure they win the season or not. CMIIW.

[1] https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/india-motogp-promoter-cancels-this-years-race-eyes-march-2025-date/10616982/

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