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Quote from: retreat on February 02, 2024, 02:15:22 AM

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So Hamilton in Ferrarin in 12 months.
Will be fun to see, was better to have him this year directly tbh.

He will have 2 shoots with Ferrari I think, 2025 with this generation of cars and 2026 with the new one.

Hamilton's move to Ferrari was really surprising, I myself needed to read the headline twice because I thought it was a typing error, but it didn't turn out to be true that a Hamilton who was loyal to Mercedes finally had to give up his contract and join Ferrari. I know how Hamilton feels because he tried to be loyal to Mercedes but the top level at Mercedes tried to get rid of him to rejuvenate the team and coupled with his short contract that might be a strong reason for him to leave Mercedes.

When Hamilton left McLaren for Mercedes, everyone, including the British press, thought that Hamilton had ended his career and made a very bad decision. But they were all wrong. So what happened afterwards? The engine regulations changed and Mercedes improved their position to a very good level. Hamilton broke record after record with Mercedes.

Now, people think Hamilton was wrong to leave Mercedes for Ferrari at the end of his career. Hamilton is infallible. Luckily, a year later, the engine regulations are changing again. Let's see if Hamilton will take the right steps again. I think yes. I don't think Hamilton will make a move without guarantees. My guess is that Ferrari dominance comes after 2026. Hamilton has been known as a car champion throughout his career and I think he will retire as Ferrari's champion driver before he retires. That way his career will be cleared.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 02, 2024, 06:32:09 AM

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So Hamilton in Ferrarin in 12 months.
Will be fun to see, was better to have him this year directly tbh.

He will have 2 shoots with Ferrari I think, 2025 with this generation of cars and 2026 with the new one.

Personally, I don't understand this move at all, on both sides. Ferrari is getting an ageing, albeit experienced, driver, presumably for a lot of money, but we've seen it all before at Ferrari and in very few cases has it gone well. And I don't think Hamilton can become world champion again at over 40, and Ferrari has had problems with the car or the strategy for years.

Here's the thing. F1 teams not only acquire drivers just to drive. They acquire them also for their experience and by giving their inputs to the team's engineers in how to tweak and set up the car. Vettel's position in Aston Martin was something like it imo.

And at over 40, Hamilton's reflexes are still sharp. So with a decent car, he still could win races at any given weekend. It's not like Raikonnen in that last season he retired when you could see there were a few times he could've caused a crash as it was starting to look like he was losing his reflexes as an F1 driver.

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So I think age does play a role from the age of 40, reaction time decreases, you have to train more to maintain fitness, etc. At least that's what riders who have got older say.

As for Ferrari versus Mercedes, it's still difficult to judge, but I don't think Ferrari will be ahead of Mercedes this season, I think it's more about Hamilton simply wanting to have driven for Ferrari at some point in his career.

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The second day's test shakedown at Sepang was much more interesting because there were several MotoGP riders trying out their newest aero fairings on new motorbikes. This is quite visible in every manufacturer such as Ducati, Yamaha, Aprilia, Honda and KTM, which in general is a little different from last season. Apart from that, a Rookie like Pedro Acosta was also able to adapt very well to the KTM motorbike he rode during the test. I am increasingly curious about the next test for all riders from all manufacturers because the competition this season will probably be much fiercer than last season even though the Argentina series has been canceled by Dorna and for the time being there is no replacement.

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Quote from: nimethasa on February 02, 2024, 11:13:20 AM

Ferrari is currently developing better than Mercedes in the last season too (2023) Ferrari is better than Mercedes. so moving to Ferrari hopes to compete for the championship again with Max Vestapen.

Hamilton will be also an ambassador of Ferrari.

Hard to turn that down.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 02, 2024, 06:32:09 AM

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So Hamilton in Ferrarin in 12 months.
Will be fun to see, was better to have him this year directly tbh.

He will have 2 shoots with Ferrari I think, 2025 with this generation of cars and 2026 with the new one.

Personally, I don't understand this move at all, on both sides. Ferrari is getting an ageing, albeit experienced, driver, presumably for a lot of money, but we've seen it all before at Ferrari and in very few cases has it gone well. And I don't think Hamilton can become world champion again at over 40, and Ferrari has had problems with the car or the strategy for years.

Ferrari is currently developing better than Mercedes in the last season too (2023) Ferrari is better than Mercedes. so moving to Ferrari hopes to compete for the championship again with Max Vestapen.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 02, 2024, 09:33:05 AM

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Personally, I don't understand this move at all, on both sides. Ferrari is getting an ageing, albeit experienced, driver, presumably for a lot of money, but we've seen it all before at Ferrari and in very few cases has it gone well. And I don't think Hamilton can become world champion again at over 40, and Ferrari has had problems with the car or the strategy for years.

Age in F1 or motorsport is not really a problem.

Look at Alonso or Sainz Senior winning the Dakar at the age of 60.

Sure is not a determining factor but of course in F1 age has a big impact and plays a big role in performance.The fact that Alonso does not win any battle against really talented drivers (also because of not having the best car) shows that age makes a huge differences when it comes to reflexes.Also Schumacher when he got old and was driving Mercedes at the age of 41 he did not win anything.Now we see Verstappen having the best car but also being one of the young drivers on the grid.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 02, 2024, 06:32:09 AM

Personally, I don't understand this move at all, on both sides. Ferrari is getting an ageing, albeit experienced, driver, presumably for a lot of money, but we've seen it all before at Ferrari and in very few cases has it gone well. And I don't think Hamilton can become world champion again at over 40, and Ferrari has had problems with the car or the strategy for years.

Age in F1 or motorsport is not really a problem.

Look at Alonso or Sainz Senior winning the Dakar at the age of 60.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 01, 2024, 04:20:01 PM

So Hamilton in Ferrarin in 12 months.
Will be fun to see, was better to have him this year directly tbh.

He will have 2 shoots with Ferrari I think, 2025 with this generation of cars and 2026 with the new one.

This is really sensational news mate. Cheesy

When I first saw the news on X I thought that it must be another speculation or so. But in a short time we got an official confirmation by Mercedes F1 team directly. I can't even imagine how disappointed Sainz is after learning about this deal. Because he was trying to extend his contract just as Leclerc did newly.

However Hamilton will probably need to be patient for at least one year after joining Ferrari. Sad

This depends on how strong car Ferrari have for 2025 season though. But probably it would be another season under domination of Red Bull.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 01, 2024, 04:20:01 PM

So Hamilton in Ferrarin in 12 months.
Will be fun to see, was better to have him this year directly tbh.

He will have 2 shoots with Ferrari I think, 2025 with this generation of cars and 2026 with the new one.

Personally, I don't understand this move at all, on both sides. Ferrari is getting an ageing, albeit experienced, driver, presumably for a lot of money, but we've seen it all before at Ferrari and in very few cases has it gone well. And I don't think Hamilton can become world champion again at over 40, and Ferrari has had problems with the car or the strategy for years.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on February 01, 2024, 04:20:01 PM

So Hamilton in Ferrarin in 12 months.
Will be fun to see, was better to have him this year directly tbh.

He will have 2 shoots with Ferrari I think, 2025 with this generation of cars and 2026 with the new one.

Hamilton's move to Ferrari was really surprising, I myself needed to read the headline twice because I thought it was a typing error, but it didn't turn out to be true that a Hamilton who was loyal to Mercedes finally had to give up his contract and join Ferrari. I know how Hamilton feels because he tried to be loyal to Mercedes but the top level at Mercedes tried to get rid of him to rejuvenate the team and coupled with his short contract that might be a strong reason for him to leave Mercedes.

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Superb transfer from Ferrari, it could be from this year though. I wonder how he will perform with Mercedes this year when it's obvious he'll switch teams next season. Ferrari has built a great team, but their cars need to keep up with it. Leclerc will no longer be the first driver, how he will look at it is a question mark. If Ferrari can improve the car, they can dominate Formula 1 again like in the old days, but if the car doesn't improve enough, they can't win a championship even if they have the best drivers.

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Quote from: joniboini on February 01, 2024, 02:22:38 AM

I read somewhere that Rossi rides a Yamaha gift him a superbike that he used in this practice. Not really surprising considering their relationship. I'm surprised he participated though. Isn't he a GT racer now? Sadly can't watch him race anymore since no local channel streams it in my area.

Valentino Rossi has indeed become a GT racer and that is not only now, but it has started to take place and happened after he retired from MotoGP. And regarding the issue of participating in practice at Portimao Portugal, I think this is a very normal thing because Valentino Rossi in previous seasons, when he had no activities with GT racing, also often practiced there. So there's no need to be surprised by that, because apart from being a GT racer, he also still has his own team in MotoGP which is managed by Ucio even though Valentino Rossi is still the brand ambassador for the Yamaha manufacturer.

By the way, if you can't watch the MotoGP race via your local TV channel, I don't think that's a problem because everyone can still watch it via overseas TV broadcasts or via online streaming. And today I also saw the Shakedown test at Sepang which was attended by several MotoGP riders and also test riders from all MotoGP manufacturers.

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So Hamilton in Ferrarin in 12 months.
Will be fun to see, was better to have him this year directly tbh.

He will have 2 shoots with Ferrari I think, 2025 with this generation of cars and 2026 with the new one.

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Quote from: FanEagle on January 30, 2024, 04:10:35 PM

Monaco has been involved for 5+ decades, that is of course going to be some legacy track that will stay, Barcelona had to get better and it didn't. Plus, it is not about getting better or not, F1 wants to grow and Madrid market felt bigger to them I suppose, it is a city and being in the city does bring in a lot more money to be made by the teams as well, being far off is not that easy because it makes it harder to make money.

The reputation that city tracks get upsets me, it is always seen as worse, but the reality is that if you can do a proper one, I do not think that it should be this bad, the reason why it is so bad is that some city tracks are done terribly. If done well, I do not see why it should be worse, like for example Monaco is city, but so is Baku, they are not the same.

When it comes to Monaco GP I think it can technically be the most boring race in the calendar every season. Grin

However it is still maintaining its presence every time.

It looks like the current deal with the Monaco track is until 2025. The track is still loved by many people due to its being really challenging for the drivers. I must admit that it is lovely for me too but only that part is.

Other than that it is boring due to the tightness of the track and not seeing many overtakes. It gets more exciting when it is rainy.

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Quote from: FanEagle on January 30, 2024, 04:10:35 PM

The reputation that city tracks get upsets me, it is always seen as worse, but the reality is that if you can do a proper one, I do not think that it should be this bad, the reason why it is so bad is that some city tracks are done terribly. If done well, I do not see why it should be worse, like for example Monaco is city, but so is Baku, they are not the same.

I think that is the key question. What makes the city track bad in the first place? Is it because they don't offer exciting spots for takeover? Why would the organizer push it if the track is terrible? What is the standard for a good one? I'm pretty sure if those questions are not answered people will still dislike it. Any good track will be an exception and not the norm.

Quote from: Davian144 on January 30, 2024, 07:22:52 AM

It was really fun to see many WSBK and MotoGP riders doing training at the Portimao Circuit in Portugal yesterday where there were also Valentino Rossi and Marc Marquez as well as Pecco Bagnaia and Toprak from WSBK, all of whom were doing important training before having a very good season.

I read somewhere that Rossi rides a Yamaha gift him a superbike that he used in this practice. Not really surprising considering their relationship. I'm surprised he participated though. Isn't he a GT racer now? Sadly can't watch him race anymore since no local channel streams it in my area.

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Monaco has been involved for 5+ decades, that is of course going to be some legacy track that will stay, Barcelona had to get better and it didn't. Plus, it is not about getting better or not, F1 wants to grow and Madrid market felt bigger to them I suppose, it is a city and being in the city does bring in a lot more money to be made by the teams as well, being far off is not that easy because it makes it harder to make money.

The reputation that city tracks get upsets me, it is always seen as worse, but the reality is that if you can do a proper one, I do not think that it should be this bad, the reason why it is so bad is that some city tracks are done terribly. If done well, I do not see why it should be worse, like for example Monaco is city, but so is Baku, they are not the same.

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It was really fun to see many WSBK and MotoGP riders doing training at the Portimao Circuit in Portugal yesterday where there were also Valentino Rossi and Marc Marquez as well as Pecco Bagnaia and Toprak from WSBK, all of whom were doing important training before having a very good season. Because at the beginning of next month there will be an official test in Sepang to see what developments each manufacturer will get from MotoGP before this season starts.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 28, 2024, 06:09:22 AM

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I didn't know that Catalunya track was going to be replaced by this new track in Madrid. But truthfully it wouldn't be bad to take this action. Tongue

Because I mean the Catalunya GP is mostly boring so I think the same as you. Because there aren't many areas for the drivers to overtake themselves. The biggest opportunity is on the start straight. Other than that it is much harder. For us the spectators it is really important to watch as many overtakes as possible to be more excited about a race. This is why Monaco track isn't one of my favourites either. Grin

I also think it is a good thing.The Catalunya track is great but only one place to overtake and that is the big straight at the beginning.From the layout Madrid track shows like a great fast track despite being a city circuit with lots of overtaking possibilities,it looks a bit like Singapore yet we are another time in Europe and it is great to be in Europe,a city circuit fast enough to be great for spectators to enjoy.I of course think that Monaco is still with us because it is one of the GP-s that had almost been there since the beginning of F1 and it has historical and sponsorship ties more than it has anything to do with F1 racing.

I would say if we are going to talk about "hard to pass" we still have Monaco on the season, and that never made sense to me. I am not saying that it ends exact as it starts, there are problems of course, some crash, some do mistakes, some have pit issues, so it does still have different results, but it is not really that fun way, it is not overtaking, I rarely see anyone overtaking anyone there.

So basically, if Catalunya was bad for overtaking, Monaco should not be a place at all. Some places just have some historical context, and this is why they become untouchable, and when you have a Monaco place like that, Catalunya doesn't feel like they need to get better and this is why they didn't improve at all, they thought they would be considered the same.

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