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^  What do you mean?  The cap will def never help level the playing field?  Cos F1 is getting ridiculously really expensive for the other teams.  And it's either risk them leaving F1 or the cap.  Which one would it be?
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Dunno... It could be good for the sport in the long run cos it levels the playing field and could get more manufacturers interested.  I wouldn't mind seeing Toyota and BMW get back in.

It will be useless as I said.
When they eared about the cost cap top teams like Ferrari and Mercedes started working on a lot of structures to get an advantage later in the next years.

Mercedes also joined the formula E with a team only to spend more money on the electric engine.
More teams will join others categories to spend money above the cap and intrudice the news tecnologies on the F1 car.
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But also a cost cap is planed.



The cost cap is a joke!
It's coming later for sure but teams like Mercedes and Ferrari and Redbull pre-COVID spent a lot of money on building a lot of infrastructures to get an advantage later.

Also, Mercedes decided to make a team on Formula E where there is no cap budget limit only to spend what they want for the progress of the hybrid part.

So basically you can't spend more than X on the formula 1 car, but you can spend more in others car categories to get more power on the F1 car.


Dunno... It could be good for the sport in the long run cos it levels the playing field and could get more manufacturers interested.  I wouldn't mind seeing Toyota and BMW get back in.
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But also a cost cap is planed.



The cost cap is a joke!
It's coming later for sure but teams like Mercedes and Ferrari and Redbull pre-COVID spent a lot of money on building a lot of infrastructures to get an advantage later.

Also, Mercedes decided to make a team on Formula E where there is no cap budget limit only to spend what they want for the progress of the hybrid part.

So basically you can't spend more than X on the formula 1 car, but you can spend more in others car categories to get more power on the F1 car.


No reason for a cost cap.
If other teams had money to invest then go for it. But they do not have any right to stop Mercedes and Ferrari from building good cars that can give us entertainment because it is entertaining to see fast cars on track.

@coinlocket$ the budget cap has been agreed and it’s been set at $145 million for 2021, and it’ll further reduce in 2020 to $140 million and @Naida_BR yea this will definitely have a big impact on the big teams. Lastly there’s an update regarding the British GP as F1 officials are trying their best to stage the race, but they may call it off if the UK government doesn’t give them exemptions that they have sought.

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Formula One’s 10 teams have agreed cost-cutting measures including a budget cap of $145 million for 2021, the BBC reported on Friday.


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Formula One chiefs have confirmed the British GP will be OFF – unless the Government changes new quarantine rules or they get an exemption.


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https://www.insidesport.co/f1-business-teams-to-do-cost-cutting-measures-145mn-budget-cap-agreed/
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No reason for a cost cap.
If other teams had money to invest then go for it. But they do not have any right to stop Mercedes and Ferrari from building good cars that can give us entertainment because it is entertaining to see fast cars on track.
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But also a cost cap is planed.



The cost cap is a joke!
It's coming later for sure but teams like Mercedes and Ferrari and Redbull pre-COVID spent a lot of money on building a lot of infrastructures to get an advantage later.

Also, Mercedes decided to make a team on Formula E where there is no cap budget limit only to spend what they want for the progress of the hybrid part.

So basically you can't spend more than X on the formula 1 car, but you can spend more in others car categories to get more power on the F1 car.
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After a year where Niki Lauda died, many articles about his first date of death appeared on the official website.



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Hamilton and Wolff lead tributes to Niki Lauda, one year on from his passing

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.hamilton-and-wolff-lead-tributes-to-niki-lauda-one-year-on-from-his-passing.6ZN6J8lewW4Va826lqZJTD.html


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How Niki Lauda's final title-winning car, the 1984 McLaren MP4/2, changed F1
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Technical review about one of the best cars from this ERA

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-niki-laudas-final-title-winning-car-the-1984-mclaren-mp4-2-changed-f1.7vGiQXahtUbaKo70ZJ8OGQ.html



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We’re showing highlights of two of Niki Lauda’s greatest races – here’s why you should tune in

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.were-showing-highlights-of-two-of-niki-laudas-greatest-wins-heres-why-you.5cWxWDvmQLC7i928vOo0j0.html

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I am impressed by the beautiful designs of the car of the future of F1. This article was written in 2018, so it means a huge investment in technology. The future of racing, inspired by young people, is evident as Ferrari says. When you buy a Ferrari you buy the engine because everything else is a gift.

Yes looks very interesting and fast in this first sequence  Shocked so i'm exiting about the final cars.

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5 reasons to be excited about the new Leclerc-Sainz partnership at Ferrari

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.5-reasons-to-be-excited-about-the-new-leclerc-sainz-partnership-at-ferrari.5hLqMNajnQMtK2pTBFhgOd.html

About Vettel, when Alsono planed a comeback, than no Top Team (except Mercedes when Bottas fired) have a free place for Vettel  Shocked i don't believe at a return to RBR when Verstappen stay the next years.

That's the thing...  With everthing going on with Rona, Verstappen could leave due to a clause in his contract being activated cos of a technicality.  It's no secret Merc want him. 
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I think the teams will race with the actual car they have built for the year 2020.It is too early to jump to conclusions as I think teams are still completely focused on this year Championship and as soon as this one finishes they will start developing the 2022 car which will be as new rules require.For the 2021 season may or maybe not the teams can run an upgraded version of 2020 car and not a completely new one.
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Yesterday I was switching TV channels and accidentally found NASCAR race in action. It's first big racing event after very long break. I'm not fan of this racing series, but it was so good to watch real live race instead of various simulators. And different from football, absence of fans doesn't feels that much during race.
Race was won by Kevin Harvick https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/kevin-harvick-wins-darlington/4793441/?nrt=119
Here is extended highlights if somebody is interested:
https://youtu.be/LIAIB0ZX58w

The car that is going to compete in 2021 is going to be fully enviromental friendly.
Apart from that, it is going to be of a great design as teams want to make the car reach high speed without any engine power but more to be aerodynamic when driving in the tracks.
They won't compete with this car in 2021, it was delayed until 2022 because of COVID-19 pandemy. Development of completely new car is freaking expensive and it's really difficult times for F1 teams.

That's correct a motor sound (V8) in the ears are balm for the heart  Grin Grin, and thank you for the link to the highlights.

And yes the new regulations postponed to 2022 because of the high cost.

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No more delays for new era of F1: ‘It's definitely coming in 2022,’ says Brawn



https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.no-more-delays-for-new-era-of-f1-its-definitely-coming-in-2022-says-brawn.B3JXkXv0B9Z0PyikkRv5L.html

But also a cost cap is planed.

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Cyril Abiteboul on Renault’s ‘aggressive’ 2020 plan, cost caps and Ferrari engine clarity

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.cyril-abiteboul-on-renaults-aggressive-2020-plan-cost-caps-and-ferrari.37bmLVuxKkr5tR8zYPHQkX.html


Toto Wolf about Mercedes and the driver selection.

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REVEALED: Wolff explains Mercedes driver selection criteria as team looks to 2021

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.revealed-wolff-explains-mercedes-driver-selection-criteria-as-team-looks-to.7zIjznL4KicrHC24bANWyD.html

And i don't think Hamiltion will Vettel in the team, a wingman is easier to handle.
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Yesterday I was switching TV channels and accidentally found NASCAR race in action. It's first big racing event after very long break. I'm not fan of this racing series, but it was so good to watch real live race instead of various simulators. And different from football, absence of fans doesn't feels that much during race.
Race was won by Kevin Harvick https://www.motorsport.com/nascar-cup/news/kevin-harvick-wins-darlington/4793441/?nrt=119
Here is extended highlights if somebody is interested:
https://youtu.be/LIAIB0ZX58w

The car that is going to compete in 2021 is going to be fully enviromental friendly.
Apart from that, it is going to be of a great design as teams want to make the car reach high speed without any engine power but more to be aerodynamic when driving in the tracks.
They won't compete with this car in 2021, it was delayed until 2022 because of COVID-19 pandemy. Development of completely new car is freaking expensive and it's really difficult times for F1 teams.
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I am impressed by the beautiful designs of the car of the future of F1. This article was written in 2018, so it means a huge investment in technology. The future of racing, inspired by young people, is evident as Ferrari says. When you buy a Ferrari you buy the engine because everything else is a gift.

The car that is going to compete in 2021 is going to be fully enviromental friendly.
Apart from that, it is going to be of a great design as teams want to make the car reach high speed without any engine power but more to be aerodynamic when driving in the tracks.
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I am impressed by the beautiful designs of the car of the future of F1. This article was written in 2018, so it means a huge investment in technology. The future of racing, inspired by young people, is evident as Ferrari says. When you buy a Ferrari you buy the engine because everything else is a gift.

Yes looks very interesting and fast in this first sequence  Shocked so i'm exiting about the final cars.

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5 reasons to be excited about the new Leclerc-Sainz partnership at Ferrari

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.5-reasons-to-be-excited-about-the-new-leclerc-sainz-partnership-at-ferrari.5hLqMNajnQMtK2pTBFhgOd.html

About Vettel, when Alsono planed a comeback, than no Top Team (except Mercedes when Bottas fired) have a free place for Vettel  Shocked i don't believe at a return to RBR when Verstappen stay the next years.

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Does Fernando Alonso’s grand comeback plan slot in here somewhere – a third stint at the Renault team that he won his two world championships with, to tie a neat bow on his career, perhaps? Or does Nico Hulkenberg come back to Renault to plug the hole?

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What do Sainz and Ricciardo moves mean for Vettel and the rest of the driver market?

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.what-do-sainz-and-ricciardo-moves-mean-for-vettel-and-the-rest-of-the-driver.2Fq1RDQEidDtS5uzoT5hfJ.html
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I am impressed by the beautiful designs of the car of the future of F1. This article was written in 2018, so it means a huge investment in technology. The future of racing, inspired by young people, is evident as Ferrari says. When you buy a Ferrari you buy the engine because everything else is a gift.
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I'm not so sure that Lewis can only retire if he leaves Mercedes.

I am more convinced that Lewis will only retire when he will break Shumacher's records or when he will have no longer the opportunity to do so either because of the advancing age or because he will not drive a non-competitive car which can happen in two years with the incoming technical revolution, remember as examples the Button BrawnGP or Vettel's RedBull born after the revolution a few years ago?

My point is that Mercedes is the dominant team in F1.
If Lewis leaves Mercedes then he quits every change of getting a bigger legend than Schumacher because he will not be able to reach the top with any other team right now.
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Don't underestimate the Mclaren.
Like you, I believe he can con only to Ferrari if he wins the 2 remaining titles but Mclaren will have the Mercedes engines from next year if I'm not wrong.
Also the past year the got many good results.
The technical revolution can be the boost they need to be competitive in the next 2 years, they also have Riccardo's experience now to build a better car.

A swap with a more experienced Norris and Hamilton can happen in 2 years if Mclaren goes in the current direction.
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^  But really, if Hamilton leaves Merc, what are his options if not Ferrari?  Which btw, doesn't have a drive open with Sainz going in.  Then again if he goes home to McLaren to help the team out, that would be sweet.  He's not gonna break or set any records tho.
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I'm not so sure that Lewis can only retire if he leaves Mercedes.

I am more convinced that Lewis will only retire when he will break Shumacher's records or when he will have no longer the opportunity to do so either because of the advancing age or because he will not drive a non-competitive car which can happen in two years with the incoming technical revolution, remember as examples the Button BrawnGP or Vettel's RedBull born after the revolution a few years ago?

I see a possible retreat of Hamilton in 2 years if both will win them by passing Micheal in the all-time ranking or a retreat in 5 years when his physique should start losing shots.
Of course, in 3 years he could still have the fastest car of all and still win the world championship but that is a story that we cannot currently imagine...

This is a sneaky peak of the new car when the revolution will hit...


Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.2021-a-first-look-at-concepts-for-f1s-future.6oFMwkqp1eUumW8qUG0S8k.html

Bigger wheels, smaller wing to have more drag when you are following cars, less speed... (they are talking about 3 secs slower for median circuit lap)
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I honestly don't think Hamilton can retire in the next two or three years, he is the only driver in the right position to enter the myth and stay there for many years.
He is the only driver who can currently reach and beat the legend of Micheal Schumacher and I believe he will try until he has the chance to do so.

Different speech for Sebastian now his chances of reaching and beating Michael are extremely low.
At the moment Hamilton can only reach Schumacher in the Mercedes, you have to see what will happen in the future with the new cars.

Then I also think that Lewis's seat will be taken by Max when Lewis decides to stop.
Hamilton is going to retire only if he leaves Mercedes.
He has made a great team in here and they help him be the F1 legend. He is not going stop until he will be the No 1 driver in F1 history.
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So Ferrari decided that Leclerc is the No.1 driver in the team.
I think that all fans now wait to see where Vettel is going to end up now that he is kicked from Ferrari.

He deserves it after being at the same level if not better than Vettel in his first season at Ferrari.I was expecting Vettel at Mclaren but Riccardo nevertheless is also a good driver.I don’t think he has that extra mile needed to bring Mclaren back to the title even if they make a really good car for the 2021 season but let’s see.

Well, ok. But Vettel has won so many championships, thus you cannot throw him away in such a way.
I don't think that Vettel is going to return to Red Bull as they have Max and he is pretty good. Maybe he is going to sign for Alfa Romeo and drive along with Raikkonen - it will be pretty fun to see them together.
He won't return to Red Bull - he is just too expensive for them. He also declined to join Mclaren - he want to race for championship contender. So, Renault or Alfa Romeo shouldn't be even considered. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.republicworld.com/amp/sports-news/other-sports/sebastian-vettel-consider-mercedes-not-mclaren-as-final-option-f1-news.html
Hamilton and Bottas contracts expire in 2021, it's likely that Totto Wolf may left team too. So, there may be big changes in Mercedes and it's likely that Seb will join them.
Also, I would call Sainz as obvious second driver. Leclerc also had to be 2nd initially, but we see how it ended.

@LTU_btc we all saw this one coming even before the announcement was officially made, and in my personal opinion Vettel has himself only to blame for the mess he’s currently in because, in the past few years his performance was only getting worse and he did absolutely nothing to improve them.

I honestly don't think Hamilton can retire in the next two or three years, he is the only driver in the right position to enter the myth and stay there for many years.
He is the only driver who can currently reach and beat the legend of Micheal Schumacher and I believe he will try until he has the chance to do so.

Different speech for Sebastian now his chances of reaching and beating Michael are extremely low.
At the moment Hamilton can only reach Schumacher in the Mercedes, you have to see what will happen in the future with the new cars.

Then I also think that Lewis's seat will be taken by Max when Lewis decides to stop.

@coinlocet$ I’m not sure why people think that Hamilton will retire so soon, because currently he’s at his peak and furthermore there’s no driver in F1 that can challenge him for the title, hence I don’t think that we will see him retiring anytime soon.

Sources:

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/43224/when-will-lewis-hamilton-retire/

https://realtime.rediff.com/news/india/How-Vettel-lost-his-way-at-Ferrari/c70a7a49c5ee6200?src=interim_alsoreadheadline

https://beyondtheflag.com/2019/11/22/formula-1-who-can-challenge-lewis-hamilton-championship-2020/
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